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I thought that'd get your attention. For the record, I voted for Bush (held my nose and voted for Bush, I should say), and my only regret in doing so is a regret that there weren't any better choices. I also think the PATRIOT act (all caps, because it's an abbreviation) is an abhorrant violation of basic civil rights in this country.
But the question I want to ask is, are there any naive types here who actually think that if a Democratic administration were to be elected tomorrow, with a Democratic controlled Congress there to rubber stamp everything the administration wanted, that the violations of rights and freedoms we're currently suffering from would end?
I don't.
The Democrats have done their part in undermining the basic concept of individual rights in this country. The Republicans owe them big time.
The only division among politicians in this country is really that some of the power grubbers really believe they're doing it for the good of others, and want to do it for the good of others, and some of the power grubbers are consciously in it for the power.
A pox on both their houses.
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Hmm, I would prefer even a talking dog to having another Republican in office. And I am not against voting for a third party, its just that not many try hard enough to win your vote.
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quote:Hmm, I would prefer even a talking dog to having another Republican in office. And I am not against voting for a third party, its just that not many try hard enough to win your vote.
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They try as hard as they can to win your vote - most of them don't have the money it takes to develop the overwhelming national presence it would take to compete with the dems and repubs. They try pretty bloody hard, though - mostly in areas where they feel they're going to make any sort of difference at all.
When you have no members and no money, you have to pick your battles a bit more carefully.
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Examples, please, of how Democrats have done their part in "undermining the basic concept of individual rights in this country"??
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No, its just my friend made a very big mistake and he realized it when Bush started going after laws that my friend was pushing for. I just like to rub salt in that wound every once in a great while, I was only joking about doing it to him every day.
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quote:But the question I want to ask is, are there any naive types here who actually think that if a Democratic administration were to be elected tomorrow, with a Democratic controlled Congress there to rubber stamp everything the administration wanted, that the violations of rights and freedoms we're currently suffering from would end?
I believe DIFFERENT rights and freedoms would suffer.
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quote:But the question I want to ask is, are there any naive types here who actually think that if a Democratic administration were to be elected tomorrow, with a Democratic controlled Congress there to rubber stamp everything the administration wanted, that the violations of rights and freedoms we're currently suffering from would end?
I believe DIFFERENT rights and freedoms would suffer.
I agree here.
Edit: But I don't intend to explain why.
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quote:Originally posted by Boothby171: Hmm...so far, I count:
NONE.
So, I don't get it. No one can name any individual rights they think would suffer under the Dems.
"Different" is interesting. What do you mean?
The differing parties have separate views on most political issues, don't they? What do you think THAT means?
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1) People can't say "She's such a Bull Dyke" in the office.
I'm moving to Canada!
Anything else?
Actually, my wife is currently Stage Manager for a local production of Eve Ensler's "Vagina Monologues." So I've been able to say "Vagina" any time I want in my office, all thanks to Liberal Democratic Feminists.
In particular, just what things of a sexual nature have you been prevented from saying? Prevented by Feminists, or fear of Feminist assault, not just because those things would have been generally in bad taste....?
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quote:"Different" is interesting. What do you mean?
I mean that the Democrats have a slightly different take on what I'm entitled to do with my money, my mouth, and my genitals than the Republicans do. Neither party believes that I can be trusted to use all three as I see fit.
On the foreign policy front, it all boils down to which countries I think we should be using for our third-party torturing and child labor.
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Considering that starLisa hasn't been back since you asked for examples, you're jumping the gun with your proclamation there, Boothby.
Let's start with the right to life for very young human beings and go on from there.
Then we get to the right of professional conscience.
The right to control ones own property.
The right to own the means of personal self defense.
We've also got a couple of the same liberties that are likely to reduced by Democrats. The Clinton administration actively defended the right of the executive to conduct foreign intelligence surveillance of calls between a point in the U.S. and an international location outside the procedures of FISA.
Based on the number of Democrats who supported the Hamdi decision, they also support the indefinite detention of American citizens captured on U.S. soil without filing criminal charges against them.
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You mean, like the Democrats before the recent Bush administration actually left you more money (unless you're earning over $250K/year) to do with what you wished? OK. I can see that problem.
And at least the Democrats pretend that it's wrong to torture, or to farm out our torturing. The Republicans still seem intent on trying to convince us that it's really OK.
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quote:You mean, like the Democrats before the recent Bush administration actually left you more money (unless you're earning over $250K/year) to do with what you wished? OK. I can see that problem.
I can personally attest that my taxes went down with Bush's tax cuts, and I don't make anywhere close to $250,000 per year.
quote: I mean that the Democrats have a slightly different take on what I'm entitled to do with my money, my mouth, and my genitals than the Republicans do.
Or, basically, what I said a couple of posts before.
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I've come to an important decision. Instead of suffering through all these right and wrong, Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal debates, I'm just going to become part of the Communist party.
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I've come to an important decision. Instead of suffering through all these right and wrong, Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal debates, I'm just going to join the Dark Side.
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I'm a Communist. You can't kill me like that. You have to convince me I'm wrong and then shoot me with a golden bullet.
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You said the different parties have separate views on most political decisions.
Yeah, I figured that, too.
But I'm asking for specifics, man, specifics.
I did get some from Dag (thank you Dag).
Oh, and TomD (had been SteveR, my earlier mistake), I think that the Democrats let you put your genitials into a bunch more places (political interns not included) than the Republicans do (young altar boys not included).
Dag, let's not forget to include the right to life for very accused, poor, poorly represented, typically black and minority human beings.
And my overall costs went up, because my state and county are now forced to pay for the things that my slightly reduced Federal taxes no longer cover. Plus the unfunded Federal mandates, plus the roughly quarter-of-a-trillion dollars currently spent on the Iraq war:
Are you going to start name-calling so early in the game? I understand how we might all wind up a little confrontational here, but please let's try and keep it civil! Here, I'll go hug a tree, and pretend it's you...
quote:Originally posted by erosomniac: I've come to an important decision. Instead of suffering through all these right and wrong, Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal debates, I'm just going to join the Dark Side.
Unless you're trying to kill them through starvation, you're going to want to force grip their tracheas.
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No, the hippies win. They aren't necessarily the same thing. Hippies win! Yes! *victory dance*
And whoever you is, yeah Booth, I think you're being kind of inappropriate. Why don't you sit that some place else?
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quote:Are you going to start name-calling so early in the game? I understand how we might all wind up a little confrontational here, but please let's try and keep it civil! Here, I'll go hug a tree, and pretend it's you...
Ah, I edited it out before you posted. But your assertion is still flat out wrong, at least as a universal proposition.
Oh, and you've been civil? I must have missed it amidst the sneering condesencsion.
quote:Dag, let's not forget to include the right to life for very accused, poor, poorly represented, typically black and minority human beings.
Last I heard, most Democrats support the death penalty. They removed the plank actually supporting the death penalty from the 2004 platform, but they didn't say they opposed it.
I'm also a little confused here. Tom said they were different. You asked for differences. Now your going to (inaccurately, I might add) try to compare them one for one with each other?
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Those were TomDavidson's genitals I was referring to, not yours. Please accept my heartfelt apology if I offended you.
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Re. the death penalty: Not most of the Democrats that I know.
Re. Hamdi: I think you'll find a preponderance of liberal/democratic agencies (perhaps more "independent" than DC based, but still) fighting against such stuff.
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Yeah, but then people wouldn't know how stupid I was, and they'd wonder what you were complaining about, and then you'd have to edit your post, and I'd have to edit subsequent posts, and so on.
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That's more like it. Trash both sides equally!
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I don't believe I mentioned Hillary. Strange that her name came up.....
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