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Well, at least he saved taxpayers the expense of his imprisonment. Now if we can only prevent his estate from passing to his children before we take his ill-gotten gains back....
See, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he died for tax purposes.
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Cause of death is apparently heart attack: he managed to have a coronary so massive that it clicked his heart right off, untreatably, in the middle of a hospital.
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Samp, your ignorance is astonishing. People die of those all the time, even in hospitals. To imply otherwise is not only ignorant but insulting to anyone in the medical field.
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quote:Samp, your ignorance is astonishing. People die of those all the time, even in hospitals. To imply otherwise is not only ignorant but insulting to anyone in the medical field.
I fail to see how what he said, interpretted sarcastically or otherwise, is offensive to the medical community. Either way, the comment wasn't directed at the medical professionals involved, and there wasn't even an implied slight on their abilities.
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It's a sad thing. I can't even make any bankruptcy jokes.
I do hope that the state is aggressive about going after his estate, and I hope they do a DNA test on the corpse at the funeral. I'm just saying...
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A DNA test would certainly be unwarranted, as much as I, myself, would like to see one, to seal his life story with a fitting testiomnial to his crimes.
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"Proving his loyalty for the American Tax Payer, Lay valiantly willed his own death, so that the funds that may have been spent on his self supposedly uneccesary upkeep, could be spent elsewhere. Can the integrity of this man be further doubted?"
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quote:Originally posted by Kwea: Samp, your ignorance is astonishing. People die of those all the time, even in hospitals. To imply otherwise is not only ignorant but insulting to anyone in the medical field.
Eh, what? In what possible way is this called for? Samprimary reported what he had learned about the cause of death. What's your problem?
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I think Kwea interpreted it that Samp was suggesting that the hospital let him die or something like that. I think it's the "massive" in italics and the word "untreatably" in his context that set off sarcasm bells. I sort of detected that when I read it.
Not trying to speak for Kwea or anything. Just suggesting that until he posts for himself.
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It's possible he was murdered, committed suicide, or most likely, that he just died because he had a serious heart condition that caught up with him.
I don't think he was the type to commit suicide. Murder could've been through poisoning or withholding necessary medicine (say swapping his blood pressure meds for sugar pills or something). Maybe his family realized they'd be better off that way and one of them did the deed, but it seems pretty unlikely.
Nope, likeliest scenario is that the man's heart just gave out (technical medical term).
I read in the NYTimes that this may make it tough to go after restitution from his accumulated wealth. That concern, at least, seems to be justified, but not that important as Lay didn't really have that many assets left (a few million dollars). Skilling has more, and profits taken by some Wall St. firms are where the real deep pockets are.
It did say that Mr. Lay's lawyers may never get paid.
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For what? The FifthCircuitCourt's standard procedure after the death of an appellant before the completion of appeals process is to extinguish the case: ie nullify the conviction and vacate the indictment. Technically, Lay will be an innocent man who never faced the legal system.
quote:Samp, your ignorance is astonishing. People die of those all the time, even in hospitals. To imply otherwise is not only ignorant but insulting to anyone in the medical field.
Everything in my post is completely accurate.
Even Lay's pastor described it verbatim as a "massive coronary." Massive was the watchword. The attack really was massive, to the extent that his heart just went right out in the middle of the hospital, without any advanced warning. It was completely untreatable.
There's no other message there. I would not honestly suggest -- sarcastically or otherwise -- that medical professionals simply let him die (or whatever is assumed). All you are reading is my methodical, mindful modeling of Mr. Lay's massive meting of misfortune, my missive of media-manifest malefic and mortiferous myocardial meltdown.
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The autopsy has already happened, and the coroner ruled out foul play. The man had clogged arteries, and lots of 'em.
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Sorry, rivka. Jumped to posting inre the FifthCircuit at the mention of "pardon", then read that you'd already referred to that tidbit.
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Pretty sure you cannot pardon what has already been undone.
Technically Bush could still pardon Lay, for pretty much anything - conviction is not a prerequisite for pardon. It does rather reduce the need for a pardon, though. Posts: 26071 | Registered: Oct 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Dagonee: Technically Bush could still pardon Lay, for pretty much anything - conviction is not a prerequisite for pardon. It does rather reduce the need for a pardon, though.
Let me take this opportunity to pardon you for mass genocide, tom foolery, murder in the nth degree, spontaneous combustion, and grand, grand, grand, grand, grand larceny. I also pardon you for your involvement in the secret squirrel society.
I assume the crimes don't have to actually exist either right? When I am president, all my friends are getting awesome pardons.
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I suggest we drive a stake through his heart, cut off his head, and stuff the mouth with garlic.
Then I suggest his estate go to repay the many, many people he wronged, to the point that vultures couldn't find a shred to gnosh on.
Of course, legally, that may well be impossible. It's a farce that his conviction may be dissolved based on his death, given that many jurors felt he was instrumental in his own conviction and his appeal could perfectly well go on without him, were his lawyers willing to go on without payment. But that's not for me to dictate.
He's gone where the goblins go: below, below, below...
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