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I'm all for safety, but isn't this a bit overboard? You can't bring a paperback book? They better have a lot of in flight magazines.
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Wow! That list is really something. The thing about liquids for babies having to be tasted by the passenger before being allowed onboard is kind of interesting.
I'm glad they allow medicines on board. But liquid meds are obviously a problem.
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Ummm... I would want a book, toys and books for my child, medicine for her ears if she had a cold, extra pacifiers, changes of clothes, soooo many other things that I would need on a trans-Atlantic flight...
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You could take the medicine under that list, I think.
Not the books or toys though - which would make it a rough flight! I hadn't thought about parents with babies - I think it would impact them a lot more than most people. (And make it an actual *big* issue, as opposed to a bored adult issue).
The site says it is only a temporary measure.
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I'm just so incredibly glad that I flew from London to Edinburgh and back last weekend, and not this week.
Still, if I were flying, I'd rather that they were more than careful. But travelling with small children would be absolutely impossible. People turning up this morning without checking TV or radio first have been in for a nasty shock.
It's going to cause huge disruption to US airports too, I should imagine, as they'll have to deal with the incoming flights which have passed through Heathrow, which is the busiest international airport in the world. Continental, United and American flights are all affected, apparently.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Airports institute a permanent ban on hand-carried personal belongings (except for life-sustaining items - meds, etc.). I bet in today's atmosphere they could get away with it if they screened at terminal entrances and then allowed people to carry on only those things purchased at shops inside the terminal but after the screening stop. Then they could just tighten security on the vendors and people could go ahead and buy their books, magazines, sodas, diapers, baby formula, etc. there. If this were blanket policy I bet it would be a very short time before travelers simply changed the way they packed and budgeted a few dollars (and time) for pre-flight shopping. (At any rate, I bet the vendors would be ecstatic.)
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I think this is a reasonable temporary measure (although I would be very unhappy if the flight I were taking to Israel at the end of the month were going through Heathrow, as I have several times in the past). I would have serious issues with it being a permanent or more widespread measure, though.
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A banning of all hand luggage would not be good for those who want to bring computers with them.
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quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Isn't it wonderful we're talking about how inconvinient all the new and temporary regulations are?
Isn't it wonderful that this topic is currently only 9 postings long?
Isn't it wonderful we're not talking about 1500 dead in 6 trans atlantic airplain explosions?
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Absolutely. I've been feeling happy about this every time I've heard a coworker complain about the inconvenience of the restrictions.
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Agreed. I believe a well done and several thousand pats on the back are in order for the person/people who caught the plot.
Hmmm, in thinking about the first couple of chapters of Empire, I wonder if this is one of those attacks that makes us feel like we are protected, while there are countless more plots unexposed.
Edited to make it make sense.
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Hear hear, Pixiest. Much as I'd grumble and complain about being required to shop in the airport if I wanted anything to eat/drink/do on the plane, I'd be willing to accept it if it truly will prevent another hijacking.
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Oh God, what about laptops? How long is this going to be in effect? I have to bring my computer to England, and oh, God, if I can't bring my laptop to school I am not going to be able to function because oh God oh God oh no oh no oh no oh no....
Okay, so if I am flying INTO the UK in a few months, will I be able to take a laptop? Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
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Fyfe, You may have to put it in baggage, but you'll be able to take your laptop with you. I wonder if they are going to change baggage handling arrangements to deal with, for example, all the sensitive electronic equipment that people would normally keep with them.
I'm on the "very relieved" side here and I understand the need for restrictions on security and that they reacted quickly. That being said, this:
quote:Any liquids discovered must be removed from the passenger.
struck me as kinda funny.
(I'm inexpressively glad that this is an incident that it's possible to find humor in. Wouldn't be that way if this wasn't caught.)
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I applaud the desire to keep us all safe, but I wonder if this will make any significant difference in safety.
This reminds me of when you couldn't fly with finger nail clippers, because someone might hijack a plane by threatening to clip people's nails too short so that it really stung.
Get a couple bomb sniffing dogs and rotate the baggage checkers more frequently so they don't become distracted.
If I can't finish reading Treason in flight, then the terrorists have already won.
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On those overseas flights, don't you at least have those little screens you can flip open and watch any movie you want, play games, etc...?
And I've seen how they handle luggage. If they think I'm going to take my laptop and pack it with my rest of my stuff, only to have some guy on the tarmac hip toss it thirty feet through the air on to the trailer, you're seriously mistaken.
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quote:I applaud the desire to keep us all safe, but I wonder if this will make any significant difference in safety.
Agreed.
quote:This reminds me of when you couldn't fly with finger nail clippers, because someone might hijack a plane by threatening to clip people's nails too short so that it really stung.
Pretty sure you still can't.
quote:And I've seen how they handle luggage. If they think I'm going to take my laptop and pack it with my rest of my stuff, only to have some guy on the tarmac hip toss it thirty feet through the air on to the trailer, you're seriously mistaken.
So true. The time I flew on a teeny-tiny plane with no room for large carryons (which were gate-checked), I held onto my laptop.
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I'm really glad that they caught the terrorists involved. Several planes blowing up over the Atlantic would be a huge catastrophe.
I don't think I'd want to spend several hours on a plane without, say, contact solution, a book, etc. And there is no way I'd ever pack a laptop, ever. If those restrictions ever happen on domestic flights, I might have to start driving back and forth between home and school or cut down on travelling altogether Posts: 3546 | Registered: Jul 2002
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They have nice padded strong cases that you can safely check a laptop in. I did it for a job I had a couple of years ago when I needed 3 computers to test things. Two of them I packed in these cases (the oldest, least expensive to replace) and the third I carried on. All three came through fine both ways. The cases are probably fairly expensive, but not compared to a trip to the UK.
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I certainly hope that such restrictions won't be made permanent. And what exactly do they expect to do about the fact that terrorists can just go ahead and detonate their bombs at the airport before they go into security? Stop letting people congregate in groups large enough to make attractive targets?
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Seems to me that they need to focus more on intelligence to find out who is a terrorist rather than killing air travel all together with the new rules that will be inforced after this. But then again it isn't a perfect world, geez, I'm glad I'm not flying anywhere anytime soon.
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I'm flying out of Detroit tomorrow night, but I'm still happy about the news. Better I be somewhat inconvenienced (I will not be bringing toothpaste, shampoo, or soap on my weekend trip) than a lot of people dead.
Since I have to cross the border to get to the airport, though, I'm making sure to leave a lot of time (like, ~6 hours when the airport is a 1.5 hour drive away) in case things are slow crossing as well.
Added: That reminds me, I need to pack. Like, now.
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Awww, c'mon Twinky. There's hours and hours left before you need to leave and how long will packing take, anyway? Mere minutes at most. You can get it done anytime, no worries!
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I am half-packed. I need to make sure to not mistakenly put toothpaste in with my toothbrush and electric razor when I'm finishing the job groggily tomorrow morning before work...
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: B34N, these rules will come nowhere near killing air travel altogether.
Yeah, i know I was kind of exagerating. But air travel just kind of got back to reasonable rates and people were just getting used to the new stuff. Terrorists suck! I do agree that is better to deal with the hassle than have anybody die. Just wish there was a way to snip in 'em in the bud before they even got close to the airport.
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I am deeply, deeply disappointed in Hatrack. For gosh sakes, my MOM had to be the one to tell me that new rules were already in effect in the U.S. as well!
Ok, this I have no problem with:
quote:Airport screening will become more intensive, too, says Scot Phelps, a professor of disaster management at Metropolitan College in New York. "I anticipate a move towards (Israeli airline) El-Al levels of security -- 100 percent bag scanning, more aggressive interviewing of passengers, and more physical searching of carry-on baggage," he says.
Annoying and inconvenient, but I believe it makes a difference. Similarly, while this:
quote:Even a beverage purchased past a security checkpoint must be consumed before you get on the plane, according to the TSA. You won't be allowed to board with it.
is rather annoying (I often buy a Starbucks coffee at the airport and have half left when I board), I can live with it.
But I really, really, REALLY hope this one is no longer this strict when I next fly (on the 19th):
quote:Additionally, on all U.S. flights, all liquids and gels must be checked in with your luggage. This includes all beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, contact lens solutions, creams, toothpaste, hair gel and other items of similar consistency.
No eye drops or skin lotion? I need those! (The dry air on the plane effects both my eyes (especially since I wear contacts) and my skin.) And I'm pretty unhappy about not being able to carry a bottle of water, although I assume the airline will be providing some, so I'll deal with that.
But the eye drops and tiny bottle of skin lotion are a big issue for me. D.C. is close enough that I will probably just cope (assuming the restrictions are still in place in just over a week -- quite likely, I'd guess). But at the end of the month I am flying to Israel. That is just too long a flight to have neither eye drops or skin lotion.
Especially since I am not at all convinced that this is an effective way to deal with the situation. Explosive-trained dogs, yes. Hand-checking carryons? Ok. But limiting all liquids? Awfully inconvenient for something so easy to get around.
And I really hope I don't miss my flight to D.C. Three hours from the end of Shabbos to flight time was plenty before this; now I'm concerned about how long security will take. Although I should be able to get to the airport 1.5-2 hours before the flight. Even now, that should be enough, right?
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If I were flying out of England, I think I'd have a lot of fun marching proudly through security with nothing but a handful of tampons Posts: 3636 | Registered: Oct 2001
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I'm glad we returned home this week. We'd have had to buy a new checkable suitcase to put all our carry-on junk in to get it home.
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Kudos to the British intelligence agents who foiled this - it is such a wonderful thing that we can complain about potential inconveniences instead of mourning the death of hundreds, if not thousands.
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Yeah, you can get script eye drops. I don't know if the doc will actually give them to you, they might be stronger than what you need, but you can get script eye drops for a lot things, should ask your optometrist (sp?)
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Yes, I realize that there ARE prescription eyedrops. But AFAIK, they are all for conditions that I thankfully don't have. I don't want to start putting unneeded medications in my eyes -- just a little salt water!
Especially since a Google search indicates that most prescription eyedrops should not be used while wearing contacts. >_<
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Are you flying out of Detroit City airport? Or DTW (aka Metro Airport)
If it's City airport, ::shudders:: good luck.
If it's Detroit Metro (which is actually in Romulus) the wait probably won't be that bad at all. I know you always have to leave that big window to make sure, but that last few times I've been through there it wasn't that bad at all. The security is rather efficient.
I'm guessing you're in Canada right now if you're talking about crossing the border. I'd be more concerned about delays at the border than at the airport. Hope you don't hit any snags, good luck Posts: 21898 | Registered: Nov 2004
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I was also thinking perhaps the cabin crew wouldn't be entirely thrilled to see someone mixing a liquid and a white substance mid-air.
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Isn't saline more than just salt water though? I probably wrong bt I thought there was more to it, not much but could make a difference when you put it in your eyes.
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quote:Originally posted by imogen: I was also thinking perhaps the cabin crew wouldn't be entirely thrilled to see someone mixing a liquid and a white substance mid-air.
That's what the restroom is for, neh?
quote:Originally posted by B34N: Isn't saline more than just salt water though? I probably wrong bt I thought there was more to it, not much but could make a difference when you put it in your eyes.
By definition, saline is salt water. Most commercially available kinds have various preservative and other additives, though.
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And lack the bacteria and other microoganisms that ordinary water has.
I've found that yawning causes my eyes to tear up a bit. That's generally how I keep my contacts lubricated. As for lotion, perhaps the soap onboard will be enough to keep your hands moist? What about a bar of moisturizer-type soap that you bring with you and rub on your hands? As long as it's damp and you rinse the excess off, it might just work.
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quote:And lack the bacteria and other microoganisms that ordinary water has.
An unopened bottle of water should have very little in the way of microorganisms. (And in most states, the regulations on tap water are even stricter than those for bottled water.) But yes, mixing up saline and letting it sit around, then using it in your eyes would be an Extremely Poor Idea.
quote:I've found that yawning causes my eyes to tear up a bit. That's generally how I keep my contacts lubricated. As for lotion, perhaps the soap onboard will be enough to keep your hands moist? What about a bar of moisturizer-type soap that you bring with you and rub on your hands? As long as it's damp and you rinse the excess off, it might just work.
Yawning and blinking are sufficient unless my eyes are dry. On airplanes, with their moisture-sucking air cleaning units, they dry out pretty quickly. And I have yet to find a brand of moisturizer soap that I found useful. *sigh* Might be better than nothing, I guess.
Um, if those are like the ones I have, they're plain cotton gloves. (From the review, it looks like they are.) You put them on after you slather on lotion, and then you sleep in them. It helps a lot when the weather is dry.
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Mine didn't when I was your age either, kiddo. I used to wonder what my mom was talking about.
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I've been watching the TV about this all night, especially since one of the planes coming from Heathrow was supposed to go to Boston. I'm glad that they discovered this plot though, it makes me feel good knowing that they're still working to detect and stop terrorism. While the new regulations are too bad, I would much rather grumble about them than have to worry because there was another bombing. It makes me feel safe.
That said, my opinion will probably change the moment I go to an airport. Getting home from DC should be interesting this year.
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