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It's not bad, MPH. It's a clip from Jay Leno-- mixing a little girl posing as a news anchor for Nickelodeon and some of the clips from BC's interview w/Fox.
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I feel the need to quote something that was posted elsewhere earlier today.
quote:But, hey, I have earned that reputation so I can hardly get upset, or even surprised, when people respond to me as such.
You earned the reputation that lead to m_p_h's comment, Jay, and berating him for pointing it out is hardly going to help people not expect that anything remotely political you post is just another knee-jerk partisan waste of time.
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quote:Originally posted by ElJay: I feel the need to quote something that was posted elsewhere earlier today.
quote:But, hey, I have earned that reputation so I can hardly get upset, or even surprised, when people respond to me as such.
You earned the reputation that lead to m_p_h's comment, Jay, and berating him for pointing it out is hardly going to help people not expect that anything remotely political you post is just another knee-jerk partisan waste of time.
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Taking things out of context sometimes can be waaay too funny.
That said, Jay, you could have put a smiley at the end of that link. (edit: though it was not needed) I still don't know how m_p_h took it seriously - or if he didn't and I missed it -, but at least you could cut him some slack for his post. Your "humorous" answer isn't that humorous...
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That was in poor taste. I don't think it was even remotely funny, context or no.
I don't understand what it is with Leno, and even Letterman (who I actually consider to be funny, Leno's a waste of space) that they can't leave Clinton alone. The man hasn't been president in six years, and I am still hearing intern jokes. Give it up. The man made some mistakes in his personal life, but he was a really good president and got a lot accomplished here and around the world.
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I have to admit, I expected a stupid partisan joke here but I thought that clip was kind of funny. For Jay Leno, kind of funny is reaching the pinnacle of humor, so there you go.
One of the comments also caught my eye:
quote:Better than Bush who let Santa go to pursue the Easter Bunny in another country. No blood for painted eggs!
It's the second bit that sells it.
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Bill Clinton Kills Santa needs a smiley face to know that it is a joke? So who is dumb enough not to know that it was a joke? SPOILER * Santa is not real *
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mph: Are you intending that to sound negative, like he's doing stuff you disapprove of? If so, could you say what things he's been doing that you dislike?
general comment: This particular episode (arising from the Fox interview) was not because of publicity Clinton sought out, was it? Maybe I missed something.
As far as the humor content of this fake interview thing goes, it's a pretty weak format in the first place. I mean, this kind of spliced interview has been done in hilarious ways over the years -- Weird Al's "interview" with Avril Lavigne springs to mind as a good example -- but Leno and his production crew are not masters of this particular "art form." In part, they have to stick to pablum for late night viewers of a certain type (people who miss Johnny Carson and Steve Allen), but there's also the can't-be-too controversial brand of light entertainment that the Tonight Show brand is just known for.
This clip is kind of typical of their product. Silly and non-controversial, with a little bit of cute-precocious-kid thrown in. Jay Leno=dopey humor. It's just the way of the world.
I think Jay (Hatrack's Jay) gets a bad reaction when he tries to make/post jokes because he's such a liberal basher that nothing he posts is ever without some tinge of his own agenda.
Jay, have you once just tried to post something funny that WASN'T a smackdown on liberals? If you have, I haven't seen it. Is "Jay" just an alt s/n you use when you want to bash liberals? I seem to remember you saying once that this wasn't your only s/n.
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quote:mph: Are you intending that to sound negative, like he's doing stuff you disapprove of? If so, could you say what things he's been doing that you dislike?
I am not intending it to sound positive nor negative.
My point is that he has actively maintained a public presense, and is still very much a current public figure.
This is in reply to the idea that since he hasn't been president for six years, he is no longer an appropriate target for jokes.
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quote:Originally posted by Bob_Scopatz: Jay, have you once just tried to post something funny that WASN'T a smackdown on liberals? If you have, I haven't seen it. Is "Jay" just an alt s/n you use when you want to bash liberals? I seem to remember you saying once that this wasn't your only s/n.
Gee.... do I ever start anything non political. From the looks of it most of the ones I start are funny ones. Are there even 10 political ones? Jokes don’t count in that 10!
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mph: Ah...I agree. And basically, I haven't seen a healthy ex-President stay OUT of the public eye, so I'd actually say they've all been pretty much fair game over the years. At least on certain topics.
Heck...even Fidel Castro got to make a Jimmy Carter joke (offering to become a Carter-esque election observer) back when the Florida voting screw-up happened.
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I would say about half of those were political. And jokes intended to slam a party (not this one) certainly do count.
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Bob, I didn't think that Weird Al interview was all that funny--it went on for too long and made me pretty uncomfortable, actually. And it dropped my opinion of Avril Lavigne a few notches, even if it was out of context.
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quote:And basically, I haven't seen a healthy ex-President stay OUT of the public eye, so I'd actually say they've all been pretty much fair game over the years. At least on certain topics.
I'm younger than you, but I don't the ex-presidents Regan nor Bush every being in the spotlight as much as Clinton has been.
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quote:My point is that he has actively maintained a public presense, and is still very much a current public figure.
This is in reply to the idea that since he hasn't been president for six years, he is no longer an appropriate target for jokes.
I agree that is still in the public spotlight and is therefore an eligible joke target. What I don't agree with is the content of most jokes.
The intern jokes are just tired. They were tired 5 years ago. Good night, find some new material! Topical comedy that's nearly a decade old is by definiton bad. Where are the OJ jokes?
edit: Man, I'm having trouble spelling the work 'eligible' lately. Just can't get it right.
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quote:I think Jay (Hatrack's Jay) gets a bad reaction when he tries to make/post jokes because he's such a liberal basher that nothing he posts is ever without some tinge of his own agenda.
Jay, have you once just tried to post something funny that WASN'T a smackdown on liberals? If you have, I haven't seen it. Is "Jay" just an alt s/n you use when you want to bash liberals? I seem to remember you saying once that this wasn't your only s/n.
I don't see that Jay is really all that disproportionate in making political posts than others here on Hatrack.
It's interesting querrying topics about Bush and President and comparing them with people's political leanings. Very very rarely do I see someone who doesn't like Bush post start a non-negative topic about him.
Most people's posts concerning politics here are a tinged with their own agenda as well. I really don't understand why people get all up in arms about Jay.
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quote:Originally posted by Icarus: Bob, I didn't think that Weird Al interview was all that funny--it went on for too long and made me pretty uncomfortable, actually. And it dropped my opinion of Avril Lavigne a few notches, even if it was out of context.
I don't think I've ever seen the Weird Al interview. Anybody have a link?
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Oh I've definately had a couple of exchanges with him on threads that he didn't start but participated in. However, just looking over the kinds of topics he generally starts, I don't see anything remarkably out of the ordinary. For example, I looked at Bob's last 50 topics he started and found:
1 CIA officers buying private insurance against prosecution 7 Illinois former governor Ryan 8 Pentagon issues new guidelines on prisoner treatment 11 If you're not electing Christians, you are going to legislate sin 16 Bush hoping to amend War Crimes act 18 Bush effectively shuts down investigation of NSA program 21 The Geneva convention now applies 22 Sen. Orrin Hatch and the Dubai connection 23 Discharged US soldier charged with murder/rape while in Iraq 30 Report on US special forces prisoner abuse 36 She's a mom, she's a judge, she's anti-terrorist avenger! 42 Haditha -- I hope it's not what I'm hearing 47 No ruling in "extraordinary rendition" -- judge throws case out for "security" (post #0) 48 Iran's nuclear enrichment "doubtful"
They also suggest a certain consistancy of political viewpoint. Nothing wrong with that, but to read a topic of Bob's and judge it without seeing the contents isn't right. I'm just saying it's unfair to do the same thing to Jay.
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quote:And basically, I haven't seen a healthy ex-President stay OUT of the public eye, so I'd actually say they've all been pretty much fair game over the years. At least on certain topics.
I'm younger than you, but I don't the ex-presidents Regan nor Bush every being in the spotlight as much as Clinton has been.
I'd certainly agree with you that Clinton has maintained a presence in the mass media (and is thus as "fair game" as anyone else for wisecracks). On the other hand, I do think this is in part even made possible by the current plethora of news outlets (internet, cable stations, etc.). We're more a culture of news junkies (such as it is) than ever before, and so getting into the spotlight is easier than ever before. [Edited to add: Prior to this, you had to convince a series of people that you were still newsworthy. These days, it seems that pretty much all you have to do is show up somewhere, and someone will cover it. And then -- if the topic catches fire -- you become newsworthy, almost retrospectively.]
Mind you, I'd agreed that Clinton has sought it out and made use of it. Still, the playing field has changed so much that I don't think the actions of those involved are really comparable from the end of a presidential term in 1993 to the end of a term in 2001.
As for Reagan, the alternative sources did pick up in number during his term (i.e., the venues for accessing the public after serving terms did open up), but I'm pretty sure his declining mental and physical health played a role in keeping him out of the spotlight. Again, I don't think the actions were in a comparable enough context to support drawing that particular comparison.
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quote:I'm younger than you, but I don't the ex-presidents Regan nor Bush every being in the spotlight as much as Clinton has been.
Reagan was the reason I qualified my remark with the word "healthy." I believe his progressive senility kept him out of the public eye from pretty much the moment he left office.
Bush got a lot of press for things like sky-diving, taking trips places, and (with "Bar") campaigning for his sons' political careers.
I haven't seen him do much on the world stage, but he was certainly no stranger the US political scene, especially in FL and TX.
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Jay, I do apologize, you have posted on a much wider variety of topics than I'd ever noticed. I think many of them are just threads I didn't visit, and I tend to notice your political ones.
Part of my personal thing with Jay is I keep thinking of him as if he is this friend of mine (also named Jay) who is basically a right-wing opinion-du-jour parrot. Jay has (at times) posted things that remind me of this friend and I probably get a little short with THIS Jay because I've already had to slog through the received wisdom of the talk-radio pundits from this other person and by the time I get to Hatrack-Jay, I'm tired of it and wonder why people can't come up with an original thought on whatever the topic is.
Not this Jay's fault, but I do wish that he and a few other of the more right-leaning people here would take the time to think through a position and post some coherent thought rather than point to the latest stupidity from some mouth-piece or another. Or, if the mouthpiece must be referenced, then at least discuss it afterwards in a more even-toned way.
I very often link to articles from sources that some here consider to be liberal media outlets (the Washington Post, most notably in that category), but I do try to discuss the topic without simply asserting that the source is telling us the whole, unvarnished truth.
I used to post what I saw as humorous things about GWB, but I no longer do that for two very good reasons: 1) I realized most of it wasn't very funny, and 2) Coming from someone who loathes GWB, such humor is usually considered in poor taste.
Two things that would vastly improve the level of political discussion on this board are: 1) taking a step back and at least trying to see more than one side, and, 2) leave the cutting humor for yuks among your friends IRL.
Jay, I'll give you just one f'instance. It has been decades since I called another human being "stupid" (I'll put the caveat that I may have referred to one or more politicians using that term, and forgotten). You seem to think it's okay to do so to people you are supposedly trying to have a discussion with. When I see you do that (as you did earlier in this thread), it makes me want to ignore your posts in the future, on any topic.
On the other hand, you corrected my mistake about your past posting habits without calling me names -- just gave the link and expressed some rather well-earned frustration. When you do that kind of thing instead, it makes me want to read more of your posts in the future.
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quote:Bush got a lot of press for things like sky-diving, taking trips places, and (with "Bar") campaigning for his sons' political careers.
Now that I think about it, four years right after Clinton became president are probably the four most media-deprived of my entire life. All kinds of things could have been going on and I wouldn't have known it.
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quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang: It's not what he says. It's how he says it.
Which is the reason that I posted in response to him once- I felt his tone was childish and rude.
However, on Hatrack our words can get immortalized for months or years- even if we grow out of what we said. From what I've seen, Jay has been posting in an improved manner lately and I figured that he deserves another chance, so to speak.
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