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There are so many things wrong with the events that unfold in this story, it's tough to know which is really the worst part. PS3 Robbery Arrest Gone Bad
EDIT: Title and spelling.
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Are there any more thorough articles or is there just not a lot of information available? It seems like there's a lot not being said about this whole incident. I'm disturbed and intrigued. Was he trying to shoot the cops with the controller? Perhaps he was hallucinating after binging on Rise of Man, and just trying to save the world from the evil alien chimera police officers. Then upon watching his owner gunned down, the dog attacked the alien police, forcing them to shoot it as well.
Sounds like with no other witnesses, the only additional info is going to come from the official police investigation.
And odds are if someone ever came into my house and actually attacked me (cops or not), they'd probably have to kill my dog as well. As protective as she is, she's liable to turn into a fuzzy blue-merle missile if she thought I was being attacked (yes, this is a worry of mine since people running in my direction and yelling in public is almost enough to set her off).
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I think that we should ban the Tiger Woods golf game. Isn't it obvious that it causes violence and death? Think of the children!
My wife use to own a German Sheperd and I use to own a Rottweiler. I'm pretty sure that either of them would have been hard to stop in such a situation, especially the 160lb attack trained Rottweiler.
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I'm now going to be thinking about the awesomeness of attack trained rottweilers for the rest of the night.
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I wonder if we should ask police officers serving high-risk warrants to have a video camera on the helmets. Seems like that would help with investigations and exonerate anyone with a legitimate reason to shoot while preventing police from covering for each other if there are no outside witnesses.
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Was there any reason this incident would be considered serving a high risk warrant? A bunch of teenagers playing video games seems pretty docile, unless you ask one of the arch-conservatives who thinks all immoral behavior in the universe stems from video games.
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quote:Originally posted by dantesparadigm: Was there any reason this incident would be considered serving a high risk warrant? A bunch of teenagers playing video games seems pretty docile, unless you ask one of the arch-conservatives who thinks all immoral behavior in the universe stems from video games.
I don't think the cops had any idea what the teenagers were doing when they kicked in the door. All they saw was the one guy holding a PS3 controller which is black, and who knows what the guy did.
Maybe he held the controller and pointed it at the police saying something like, "Hey man I haven't done anything!"
If it was dark and you were pointing a PS controller at a cop it would look VERY close to a gun.
Thats just a possibility, obviously I do not know if thats how it all went down.
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quote:Originally posted by airmanfour: I'm now going to be thinking about the awesomeness of attack trained rottweilers for the rest of the night.
My dog, I admit, was dumb as a brick and very affectionate. But one command and a hand gesture is all it took for him to tear someone to pieces.
Hey, don't blame me for that. Blame my former brother-in-law; it was his dog first. And it's not that easy to un-train a dog to do that.
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"Strickland had been scheduled to appear in court last Thursday on a felony charge from August of assault causing serious injury."
That, in combination with serving an aggravated assault with a weapon warrant, may be outside the confines of campus police at most universities. I can't tell if the "specialized team" that they called in is simply a liaison group of traditional officers, or if it's more of a SWAT trained group. I would think it would be the former for someone who isn't linked to a shooting crime, but kicking down doors is often the service of the latter.
EDIT: This link has a lot more info. I can understand why they may have seen the need to go in through the door with guns drawn, but based off of an internet photo? That's a bit dubious at best...
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I'm sure a large dog running at them barking did absolutely nothing to soothe the situation, for sure.
He's a student, would it really have been that bad just to camp a plain-clothes officer outside his house one morning, let the campus police know when he was heading to class, and just grab him on the way? Not to mention the university already knows pretty well when and where he is going to be; and if they use ID cards like my university did for students living on campus, they have a pretty good idea of where he might be right then.
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quote:Originally posted by airmanfour: I'm now going to be thinking about the awesomeness of attack trained rottweilers for the rest of the night.
My dog, I admit, was dumb as a brick and very affectionate. But one command and a hand gesture is all it took for him to tear someone to pieces.
Hey, don't blame me for that. Blame my former brother-in-law; it was his dog first. And it's not that easy to un-train a dog to do that.
Reminds me of a news story I saw on TV where a pitbull killed a woman and the police suspected her ex husband had trained the dog to do it. They were pretty certain the exhusband had a word or hand signal that would make the dog attack, and they had to work out exactly what that signal was before they had evidence sufficient to convict the ex husband.
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quote:Originally posted by Architraz Warden: I'm sure a large dog running at them barking did absolutely nothing to soothe the situation, for sure.
He's a student, would it really have been that bad just to camp a plain-clothes officer outside his house one morning, let the campus police know when he was heading to class, and just grab him on the way? Not to mention the university already knows pretty well when and where he is going to be; and if they use ID cards like my university did for students living on campus, they have a pretty good idea of where he might be right then.
But in doing things that way could they have reasonably assured that the stolen property would still be there? If they stole 2 consoles, and I was surprised they even cared to play one of them, its a safe bet they had a reliable buyer ready to pay them for the consoles.
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I'm guessing it took most of a morning to get the team together before they went in, and they did it on a weekday. Why not send one man to watch that morning, and have two ready that day. If he skips a class to play the PS3 (which I could see happening), THEN go in. It doesn't sound like the guy knew they were on to him, I don't think he was a flight risk or in danger of asking one of his roommates to take a mysterious PS 3 to another friends house.
From what I've gathered, I'm betting it was a spur of the moment thing for the two thieves. They're walking back to their places, see someone with two PS3 boxes, figure one for each of us, and since no one's around to see us, the smack him in the head with a blunt object grab the boxes / bags, and go. I don't see how this COULD have been premeditated actually. At least not without a serious stretch of mutual friends ratting out that one of them has been waiting for days to buy them, but since they don't seem to be linked that way, I'm sticking with random (and incredibly stupid) act of violence / thievery.
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The PS3 release date was actually quite well reported in the news. Lines in front of retailers were equally telling, it would not have been hard at all to think, "Screw waiting in line, Ill wait until release morning and follow one of them home."
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That is true, but what are the odds of that someone being a student not only attending the same university, but actually living on campus as well as the suspects?
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quote:Originally posted by Architraz Warden: That is true, but what are the odds of that someone being a student not only attending the same university, but actually living on campus as well as the suspects?
In a college town quite high actually. I was in line for both the Wii and the PS3, tons of folks I encountered were going to school at either BYU or UVSC.
The fact they both lived on campus I do not think matters, it just happened to work out that way.
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Did the dog attack anyone? No, but it *could* have. When the dog's ownership was turned over to me, I was told what the command and gesture was, but I was very careful to never repeat it even when the dog wasn't around.
I don't remember what the word was anymore, but it wasn't the sort of word that would come up in normal conversation; the last thing you need is for the dog to kill a houseguest because the word came up in small talk at the dining room table.
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Reminds me of a news story I saw on TV where a pitbull killed a woman and the police suspected her ex husband had trained the dog to do it. They were pretty certain the exhusband had a word or hand signal that would make the dog attack, and they had to work out exactly what that signal was before they had evidence sufficient to convict the ex husband. [/QB]
Actually, that was a Columbo TV movie, and the command there was "Rosebud". But Columbo managed to un-train the dogs in a day, which is virtually impossible.
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Nighthawk: No pretty sure it was a documentary not a movie, as there was narration the entire time, but I for some reason vaguely recall "rosebud" being a part of the whole ordeal.
Perhaps it was a movie based on this event? But with some added drama?
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Heh, reading would have been good. It does look like they followed the guy home then beat him. I misread the parking lot camera as being at the dorm, not the best buy. They also attended different colleges, but question... why were the UNC-Wilmington Campus Police leading (or even involved in) a raid on a non-student suspects house that didn't seem to be on their campus? I guess that's one reason they had to have the "elite responders unit" with them.
Even so, I still stick with the "If there is a remote chance of apprehending a suspect on neutral ground, doing so is always better than not" approach. The theft wasn't what the police really should have been after anyways, it was the assault. If the PS3 gets sold and disappears (while he was under observation no less), then so be it, just find the weapon and ID the people / car used to do it.
I don't know why, I feel even less sorry for the guy since it does seem to be premeditated. He definitely didn't need to be killed for it, but jail for a decade or two would have been nice.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Nighthawk: No pretty sure it was a documentary not a movie, as there was narration the entire time, but I for some reason vaguely recall "rosebud" being a part of the whole ordeal.
Perhaps it was a movie based on this event? But with some added drama?
quote:Plot Summary for Columbo: How to Dial a Murder (1978) (TV)
Dr. Eric Mason is a self-controlled man and he teaches how to get control over one's own life. His wife died suddenly because of an inexplicable accident and his best friend is Dr. Garrison, or so it seems. Eric has two dogs and his two Doberman pinschers will be his arms to kill Dr. Garrison. But Lt. Columbo love dogs...
Whether it's based on fact or not who knows.
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Yeah see what I saw on TV was a woman was dead and the only suspect was her ex husband.
The police end up consulting attack dog trainers for ways to find the information, they also had a policeman approach the pitbull in question with one of those sleeves used to train dogs to bite and the dog got very aggressive.
Dunno, maybe your right, either way attack dogs have always bothered me.
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quote:Originally posted by Architraz Warden: From what I've gathered, I'm betting it was a spur of the moment thing for the two thieves. They're walking back to their places, see someone with two PS3 boxes, figure one for each of us, and since no one's around to see us, the smack him in the head with a blunt object grab the boxes / bags, and go. I don't see how this COULD have been premeditated actually. At least not without a serious stretch of mutual friends ratting out that one of them has been waiting for days to buy them, but since they don't seem to be linked that way, I'm sticking with random (and incredibly stupid) act of violence / thievery.
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