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I was in the middle of missionarying, where one marks silly anniversaries all the time ("it's my one year in Japan mark! Let's have ice cream!") when I realized - "Hey... it's November 2006. I've been a Hatracker for 10 years."
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Did you start in 96, Annie? Then I must have started in 97. I remember it was June of 96 or 97 but I forgot which one. I definitely know you were there on BML when I arrived.
Happy 10 year hatrack anniversary! Mine's in June.
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I will pass 11 years soon, I think. I know I was lurking/visiting Hatrack starting my freshman year of college Fall 95/Spring 96. Didn't really post until this new-fangled forum popped up.
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I remember thinking that Morgan Majors (and other teenagers on at the time) might find it awkward later on to have their words preserved online for all posterity.
Not that any of you were exceptionally distressing or anything, mind you -- just that I always cringed at reading my own writings from that period of life, and I always was glad that most of it judiciously disappeared.
*tents fingers
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No, you weren't pro. The thread, if I recall correctly, was about religious people and sort of (I think) a place people could come and discuss something without being on the defensive. I think your thread title was somewhat tongue in cheek.
That said, there are some threads/posts that I too am embarressed about (or at least, I have matured quite a bit since then and my style has changed enough that they don't represent me any longer.) But that's life.
Lot of good threads there. One of the more emotional was the Abortion one started by Tom.
A mixed bag really, the fact that you can't read the actual threads.
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The worst was when I came back to the "new" Hatrack and people remembered me for things I didn't want to be rememberd for.
I remember Noemon asking me - "are you still convinced there are black helicopters spying on your hometown for the government?"
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Been in the works for a loooooong time, buddy. Hence the old Jake Lloyd/Haley Joel Osment as Ender debates, which are now completely and totally moot (not to mention, didn't get anywhere.)
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Annie, I hesitate to mention it, but we spent a lot of time together on the "Return to Sodom" thread. I was just "Kate" back then (I think).
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quote:Originally posted by Annie: The worst was when I came back to the "new" Hatrack and people remembered me for things I didn't want to be rememberd for.
I remember Noemon asking me - "are you still convinced there are black helicopters spying on your hometown for the government?"
What was your answer?
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quote:Originally posted by Annie: The worst was when I came back to the "new" Hatrack and people remembered me for things I didn't want to be rememberd for.
I remember Noemon asking me - "are you still convinced there are black helicopters spying on your hometown for the government?"
: : laugh : : For what it's worth, who you are is so different from who you were that it's like they're two different people.
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Agreed. It has been a delight and a pleasure to know you are you matured through your life, keeping the enthusiasm while gaining additional wisdom and knowledge.
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One day the evil CT is going to take over and say something like "I really hated even being on the same forum as such as big dork as yourself. Really, time hasn't changed anything. Please go set yourself on fire."
Then we'll all laugh knowingly.
(Note, the above is not to be taken seriously. Really.)
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quote:Agreed. It has been a delight and a pleasure to know you are you matured through your life, keeping the enthusiasm while gaining additional wisdom and knowledge.
Exactly!
One bit of clarification on my previous post, though; I realize that who you were before you left for your mission and who you are now are likely different, although more subtlely so than the Annie I knew and Morgan Majors. I'm really looking forward to getting up to speed on exactly who you are these days, but I'm not making the mistake of thinking that you've been standing still these past two years.
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My first experience with BBSes came in 1987. I was one of the early members of the Cleveland FreeNet back when it joined up to the internet (in 1991) through CWRU (mainly due to my pursuit of a BS degree there at the time, which provided me with an Ethernet connection to the Web in my dorm room -- something that seems quite blase now, but which was absolutely freakin' amazing in 1991. It ruined a few lives, IIRC.)
I think I installed a Web browser on my computer for the first time in 1993, but a few of my classmates thought I was a Luddite for waiting as long as I did; I didn't think the combination of text and pictures would catch on or be useful for another ten years, until connection speeds improved for people at home.
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I remember the first time we got "online" in 1995. I searched for a page on fancy show chickens (that being a hobby at the time). It took about 6 minutes to open all the pictures on the page, and I was like "Um... and the big deal is....?"
Also, our dial-up number was long distance.
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You're not different from the Annie I've always known, for what it's worth. But then, my quote of the day is : "There is, so I believe, in the essence of everything, something that we cannot call learning. There is, my friend, only a knowledge -- that is everywhere, that is Atman, that is in me and you and in every creature, and I am beginning to believe that this knowledge has no worse enemy than the man of knowledge, than learning."
I mean, what does it mean to know someone? [fill confusing soiree dialogue].
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What kind of chickens Annie? At about that time my mom worked with a woman who bred Polish, and had a website very early. I think. I was nine.
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That page takes me back. Annie, I concur that it's been delightful to watch you grow and mature. I have saved a document with most of my posts from the BML forum and reading them makes me cringe too. <laughs> So it's not only teenagers who change and grow.
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quote:The Internet was only invented in 1992... Crazy.
Actually, as far as I can tell, the World Wide Web was invented in 1989, the internet was invented before that.
I'm in the middle of a research paper, if you can't tell.
Maybe Tara was thinking of Mosaic, which was pretty much the first popular web browser. I think it was released around 92.
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Well, like Demosthenes' glossary of Foreigness, the Germans have multiple items meaning "understand". I think there were 4, but it was a guest lecture I attended over 15 years ago and I'm not sure where my notes are. 1. Understand: The words that are coming out of your mouth are reaching my ears okay. 2. Understand: I think I knew what you were trying to say. 3. Understand: Sympathy 4. Understand: Something beyond sympathy- the bulk of the lecture was an effort to describe this in rigorous words that could not be misunderstood.
That was the seductive thing about linguistics, it took one so often to the impenetrable face of spirituality and confronted it with reason. It's like free-climbing El Capitan.
I'll tell you the great secret of linguistics now, while you consider it, which I did not know until I had made the decision not to pursue graduate studies. I was a scribe and editor for a blind Ph.D. candidate and I asked her "Do you really think your dissertation is true?" And she said "There is no truth, just better and worse arguments." I think if I'd known that sooner, I could have learned to live with it.
Breyerchic, most people would call that the Clinton administration, which techincally didn't begin until January of 1993.
I'm making a myspace page with my professional stuff on it. I think I may post an unabridged resume, one that doesn't stop at 10 years and doesn't care if it fits on a page. I guess I can make blog entries with my accounting, medical, HR, publishing legal foci.
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I'm always torn on my views of translation. On one hand, there are 4 German words for "understand," but there aren't any concepts therein that cannot be expressed another way in another language. On another hand, there are expressions in some languages (such as yoroshiku onegaishimasu) that cannot be translated simply because someone speaking another language would never say those things.
Before I start rambling about linguistics, I'm gonna go read those books I checked out so I know what I'm talking about.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: My first experience with BBSes came in 1987. I was one of the early members of the Cleveland FreeNet back when it joined up to the internet (in 1991) through CWRU (mainly due to my pursuit of a BS degree there at the time, which provided me with an Ethernet connection to the Web in my dorm room -- something that seems quite blase now, but which was absolutely freakin' amazing in 1991. It ruined a few lives, IIRC.)
I think I installed a Web browser on my computer for the first time in 1993, but a few of my classmates thought I was a Luddite for waiting as long as I did; I didn't think the combination of text and pictures would catch on or be useful for another ten years, until connection speeds improved for people at home.
Tom, IIRC, you're like a year younger than me, and in 1991 I was in 11th grade. Or am I totally wrong about your age?
If I'm not, that means you were pursuing your BS degree at the ripe old age of 16?
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afr, Tom is a few months younger than I, and I graduated high school in June of 1991 (at the age of 17). IIRC, so did Tom -- so pursuing a BS in September of 1991 would make sense. Neh?
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BTW, I would have been the class of 1991 as well, but my parents held me back early on. I took two years of kindergarten and became one of the older kids in the class of 92 instead of one of the youngest in the class of 91. *sniff* Just so's you know I could have been going to college in 91 as well.
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I skipped a grade. Not because of my brilliance or anything; I changed schools, and my previous school had covered in pre-1st most of what the new school covered in 1st.
Unfortunately, not all, and there are some annoying gaps that I've never entirely made up. Particularly in my Judaic education.
And I didn't start college until September of 1992.
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And I didn't start college until September 1995 because I served an LDS mission with about 6 months of just working before and after my mission.
And I hadn't even heard about email until I got back from my mission in early 1995 and everyone was talking about it. I didn't use the Internet until my first year of college. I had very little use for it before then. Seems kind of hard to believe now.
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I had actual Internet access as of late 1992 (through UCLA), although I didn't do much with it besides email. I was using email from about 1986 or '87 when we got Prodigy. The wikipage claims that the early regional roll-out was in 1988 and in Atlanta, Hartford, and San Francisco. But I think that's wrong. We definitely were part of the regional three-city roll-out in Los Angeles. And I thought one of the other two cities was New York. And while it might have been 1987, not '86, it can't have been as late as 1988.
Then again, I just checked with my dad and he thinks I'm misremembering. *shrug* Certainly by 1988 sometime I was using BBSs and email, but both were limited to communication with other Prodigy users. I was not until 1991 (by which time I had both a Prodigy account and a GEnie account, and avoided getting an AOL or Delphi account because two ISPs was ridiculous enough) that I recall being able to send email to users of a different ISP. That ability was via the Internet, but "full" 'Net access was an expensive addition to regular service and I never used it. (I also refused to pay extra to be able to access the 9600 baud modem lines . . . )
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(IIRC, Tom is a year younger than me- me being born in 74- but he graduated early and so started College early.)
In January of 92, I got Prodigy. I was still living at home (17) in Bakersfield, CA, though I had graduated the month before. Prior to that, I had just occasionally messed around with BBSes but had no real clue as to what to do with them.
In 94, while living on the Navajo Reservation (now 20), there was no local service at all. But if you were willing to pay the long-distance to Flagstaff or Phoenix, there was Prodigy (which I again messed with) and then AOL, which took my money for a time (not to mention the phone company.) It was while on AOL in 94/95 that I found Hatrack, back when it was a part of AOL. I was simply amazed at both having the opportunity to interact (limitedly) with OSC and at the fact the he made his working books available AS HE WROTE THEM and then the finished works until they were actually published. That's how I read Children of the Mind (a title, IIRC, he got from a discussion about the book on AOL/Hatrack), Journeyman, the last 2 Homecoming Books, and Pastwatch. It was the coolest thing and did not keep me from actually buying the books when it came out. In May of 97, I first actually registered on the BML forum for a discussion that lasted around 2 years (at the end, primarily with D. Michael Martindale.)
Since then people have come and gone, some have been fixtures since the begining (like Tom, Anne Kate, Morgan Majors, Noemon, etc) and some becoming fixtures.
I would say this community has put me in touch with many varied peoples and viewpoints (putting a face and emotion behind idea), honed my research/debate/logic skills, and, overall, made me a better and more rigorous student of life. It's been a real pleasure to spend the last 10 years haunting this establishment and occasionally contributing my 2 cents.
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quote:Tom is a year younger than me- me being born in 74-
Whoa - reality shift - So Tom is the same age as my little sister. That means either that my maturity level is stunted, or she's a lot older than I give her credit for - or Tom's simply brilliant, which I guess is a possibility.
Sorry, I just always have a hard time when I learn that people I look up to are younger than I am.
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quote:my parents held me back early on. I took two years of kindergarten and became one of the older kids in the class of 92 instead of one of the youngest in the class of 91. *sniff*
How did you feel about being the oldest in the class rather than the youngest? ... *derailing the thread in an attempt to get advice on what to do with my almost-kindergartner*
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I was actually born in 1975, and went to college at 15. This reflects the pushiness of my mother better than it reflects any native brilliance.
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I think you sell yourself short; all the pushiness in the world wouldn't have made a whole lot of difference if you didn't have the necessary intelligence.
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Indeed. And that estimation of your mother's (and the college who accepted you) of your intelligence has been born out many times afterward here at Hatrack, as well as elsewhere in your life.
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