Topic: hmm slight vista problem doesnt want to shut down
Blayne Bradley
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I go to restart my computer, it exits all the programs and then goes to the "Shutting Down" screen with the hour glass circle thingy with the logo on the buttom.
It has been 30 minutes and it still has not shut down.
No sure what to do other then hit the hard restart button.
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Wow, this problem made me laugh harder than any other post I've ever seen here. And that's saying a lot.
The inability to install anything on PCs without restarting the computer is one of my least favorite things about Microsoft. The inability to restart would be simple pure, refined irony.
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Pix, he may not be able to "downgrade" from Vista unless he has a retail copy, and even then it depends on which "flavor" he has. Not all Vista licenses permit legal downgrades.
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Blayne Bradley
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Pix that is completely asinine advice, why the hell would I downgrade from Vista to XP? XP crashed 3-6 times a day, Vista has yet to crash once.
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When everything moves at a snail's pace, it might as well crash 3-6 times a day.
What the heck were you doing to crash XP that often anyway?
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Blayne Bradley
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And either way, that is NOT what I asked, I asked a question, and if I am to receive advice from those who know what they are doing, I damn well expect it to be helpful not stupid "durrrr I hate Vista" "advice".
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Anything that used ram or CPU. Games, compiling code for school, ms word, etc.
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Well, for one thing, you should hit the hard restart button. It's unlikely to break anything.
There are a few things you can do to diagnose the problem in the future. When I've seen this on Vista, it's usually because another user is logged in and running a program that resists closing, like Outlook or a noisy Sidebar gadget.
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Blayne Bradley
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I have sidebar gadget turned off, and I don't use outlook express, I'm going to try seeing if TweakVi lets me fiddle with my shutdown process.
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This used to happen all the time with my old computer (running windows 2000). I just switched it off at the back on the power supply, waited a second for it to go off, and then switched it on again so I wouldn't panic when it wouldn't go off.
I never had a problem with it on restart and I still do that now when occaisionally the computer gets its knickers in a twist and refuses to turn itself off.
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Yep. Hard reboot was invented for situations like this. What, your computer is running a nuclear power station and can't be rebooted in any circumstances?
Also, dude, the only reason for XP to crash six times a day is that it's full of spyware. Stop downloading pr0n and you'll be fine. Otherwise you get problems like the one you are currently experiencing on Vista. I run XP, compile code every day, and crash maybe once a month, if that. Although, admittedly, the way you program, any OS would probably have to break down and cry once in a while. Posts: 10645 | Registered: Jul 2004
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Blayne Bradley
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I probly play games that are 100 times stressful then the most complicated complex algorithm you could ever make alone. (I have no doubt that if you worked for say Pdox you'ld take much glee in designer said above program.
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Pretty much every operating system that you install and remove programs from is eventually going to slow down and show problems. Likewise, a new OS installation on a new hard drive is virtually guaranteed to run more smoothly and quickly than one that's been through a few years of orphaned DLLs, changed drivers, and updates. That's the nature of the beast.
In many ways, how a system behaves after a year is a much better indication of its quality than how it is fresh out of the box... Much like any mechanical apparatus.
As to the original question, the hard restart will probably do the trick; the real question is, does it lock during shutdown again?
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I still haven't found out why everyone wants to hate Vista. As long as you have a fast enough computer, it runs great. And you shouldn't upgrade your operating system, ever really. You wait till you get a new, fast computer.
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Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window.
As far as Vista, it's a waste of resources that forces people to have a higher end computer to get the same results they used to get without flashy but useless effects copied (poorly) from OSX and a completely unnecessary retooling of formally familiar programs. That being said I've had my Powerbook, Macky for over two years, running Tiger, I've had to hard restart a few times, but I wouldn't go back to PCs if you paid me.
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quote:I still haven't found out why everyone wants to hate Vista. As long as you have a fast enough computer, it runs great.
But if you have a fast enough computer, take Vista off it, and put XP SP2 on it, it runs better. It's not an "upgrade" in any meaningful sense, especially since every useful feature that made it to final release can already be installed on XP by third-party products.
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Seriously Blayne. I game all the time on XP and I have not seen it crash in at least the last 45 days. Crashing several times a day is obscene if you ask me, definitely not the fault of the OS.
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quote:And either way, that is NOT what I asked, I asked a question, and if I am to receive advice from those who know what they are doing, I damn well expect it to be helpful not stupid "durrrr I hate Vista" "advice".
This is probably not the way to treat people if you want them to give you good advice. I get pretty frustrated with computer problems sometimes, but taking it out on other people generally isn't productive.
I have XP and it hardly ever crashes. I've run stuff on it that pushed the CPU to full capacity, and it was fine. Once it awhile, it will refuse to reboot (though, oddly, it will hibernate without a fuss even then). I generally just do a hard restart and everything's fine. I don't see why Vista would be any different.
Has Vista refused to shut down multiple times in a row?
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Blayne Bradley
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quote:Originally posted by Shigosei:
quote:And either way, that is NOT what I asked, I asked a question, and if I am to receive advice from those who know what they are doing, I damn well expect it to be helpful not stupid "durrrr I hate Vista" "advice".
This is probably not the way to treat people if you want them to give you good advice. I get pretty frustrated with computer problems sometimes, but taking it out on other people generally isn't productive.
I have XP and it hardly ever crashes. I've run stuff on it that pushed the CPU to full capacity, and it was fine. Once it awhile, it will refuse to reboot (though, oddly, it will hibernate without a fuss even then). I generally just do a hard restart and everything's fine. I don't see why Vista would be any different.
Has Vista refused to shut down multiple times in a row?
Dude have you SEEN the advice he gave me? "formate install XP"
That kind of advice is pretty stupid as Vista runs better for me then XP did.
Also theres the little matter of DirectX 10, Halo 2 for the PC ONLY runs on Vista, ShadowRun, and there are other Vista exclusive games coming out. Monopoly for the win.
XP would with absolutely no viruses or spyware of any kind (I used Avast, MacAfy, Avg, and ZoneAlarm scanners) crash for very often, infact it crashed extremely often with any game by EA or Sony, it doesnt matter if anectotally it crashed only rarely for any of you, but for me it crashed often enough or programs would just randomly freeze etc that Vista has been a warm alternative, XP is the warm old chair you used ot like but it broke often, Vista is a chair that has spikes on it, its still resembles a chair it just takes some getting used to.
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: XP would with absolutely no viruses or spyware of any kind (I used Avast, MacAfy, Avg, and ZoneAlarm scanners) crash for very often, infact it crashed extremely often with any game by EA or Sony, it doesnt matter if anectotally it crashed only rarely for any of you, but for me it crashed often enough or programs would just randomly freeze etc that Vista has been a warm alternative, XP is the warm old chair you used ot like but it broke often, Vista is a chair that has spikes on it, its still resembles a chair it just takes some getting used to.
Honestly, something is probably either wrong with your computer or your setup. I haven't had the problems you are describing, and it seems that most other people on the forum haven't really had it either.
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There are only 3 things I have seen cause a computer to crash more frequently than once a week: spyware/viruses, failing hardware, and bad drivers. Given the circumstances, I'd say Blayne probably was experiencing the third problem with XP.
It is quite possible that upgrading to Vista would solve such a problem, and thus be the most straightforward solution, even if it is a bit expensive. Depending on the manufacturers involved, though, it may also be possible for Blayne to get a stable XP installation up and running on his hardware.
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Blayne Bradley
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my copy of vista and my completely legit and valid dvdkey were completely free.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Also theres the little matter of DirectX 10, Halo 2 for the PC ONLY runs on Vista, ShadowRun, and there are other Vista exclusive games coming out. Monopoly for the win.
If Microsoft's GFW lineup was the introductory line-up of a new console, no one would buy that console.
Halo 2 is three years old, and by all accounts, looks it. Shadowrun has been getting lackluster reviews, and the PC version has particularly been getting raked over the coals for handicapping the mouse-and-keyboard set to even the playfield with their 360 brethren. The fact that Microsoft is expecting people to pay for matchmaking and communication features they've been getting from other PC games for free for years was a point even "Games For Windows" magazine couldn't let go without a note of disgust.
Further, there's no monopoly here. Major producers like Ubisoft and 2K Games continue to support DirectX 9 in releases like Call to Juarez and Bioshock. The XBox 360 does not have a DX10 compatible hardware set, significantly reducing the reason for a cross-platform release to be DX10 only. And hackers made both Shadowrun and Halo 2 run under XP within weeks of release. For the time being, there's little to no reason for developers to shoot themselves in the foot with Vista-only releases that cut off their own market share in the name of supporting Microsoft's stupid Vista push.
If MS was trying to alienate gamers into giving up on the PC as a serious gaming platform and going over to consoles, they could hardly be doing a better job. Fortunately, they aren't the only players in the games arena.
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And, again, only Microsoft has thus far released a single game that is Vista only... And thosegames aren't convincing most people of the necessity of an upgrade.
Nor should they, because from a technical point of view, that upgrade isn't necessary.
If the only person you want to convince of the wonderfulness of Vista is yourself, you've succeeded. If not, you need to make a better case.
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Blayne, if you download things using Bittorrent or any other such thingymajig, even if your anti-spyware/anti-virus says everything is fine, there could still be a major problem. I had all kinds of safety goodies on my old laptop, and someone borrowed it and downloaded a bunch of crap, and the next thing I knew, it wouldn't turn on.
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the only "torrent" thingy I use is Azureus which I know for a fact is 100% clean.
I am not the only person who uses Vista or thinks its great, my school switched to Vista, and pretty much anyone who buys a new computer that I know of use Vista, and my friend who is currently uses XP will be switching to Vista once he gets a DirectX10 compatible video card because like it or not DirectX 10 gaming will be a very large step forward in graphics.
"...If you think so, you're welcome to that delusion..." if you wish to act as an arrogant jerk sure! Considering how hard the entire hatrack community had dogpiled on me for playing a game from the cd's a friend lent to me, why should using hacker derived software be any better? Also it needs to be asked how stable will these programs run outside of their intended environment? Next is the issue of time, Halo 2 came out 6 months to a year ago for the PC, most people who are used to PC gaming will not or are reluctant to play a FPS on a console playing they're favorite game series on the PC is much more preferable.
So it seems to me one has 2 choices upgrade to Vista or like me anticipate the game and future games arriving on Vista and make the switch right away or as it comes out and get to play it right away and join in the fun, especially with your friends or wait 6 months to a year for crackers or some 3rd party software dev group to come out with it.
The choice is clear.
I believe that it has been stated by various people the various benefits about Vista and repeated so many times that me repeating them again is completely unnecessary.
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quote:I believe that it has been stated by various people the various benefits about Vista and repeated so many times that me repeating them again is completely unnecessary.
Actually, I've yet to see anyone except you state any benefits of Vista. And the only benefit you've mentioned is fewer crashes. Which doesn't impress, since XP is quite remarkably stable.
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"The entire Hatrack community" may have dogpiled on you for using a friend's CD, but as I don't believe I was part of said "dogpile", I don't entirely feel I'm required to conform my opinion to that of a group I wasn't a part of in order to meet your expectations.
Generally, I'm of the opinion that if you have purchased the software, you should have a reasonable amount of say in getting said software to work, particularly in light of the draconian return policies that accompany most retail software. Including using third-party applications that the original publisher might not entirely approve of. With something like Halo 2 that quite explicitly states that it's for Vista only, whether this is a gray area is rather fuzzier; that said, I still think it was a repugnant decision on Microsoft's part to unnecessarily make games only perform out-of-box on the new platform. And that that- ahem!- arbitrary and non-technical decision is easily subvertable cannot help but undermine the notion that said decision is a good selling point for Vista.
And it rather seems there's an obvious alternate choice than moving to Vista, now or later: play the grand majority of games that do not require DirectX 10, that cater to a larger community on both XP and Vista (and possibly earlier versions of Windows as well), and sigh a very small sigh at the loss of the games which require Vista, of which there are, to date, two.
I acknowledge that there will probably come a day when a DX10 compatible card will be a necessary feature for playing most of the new games from big publishers. That time is not now, nor is it likely to come for at least another year. At present, only Microsoft it making the Vista-only push, and it's doing so badly. Even some of the most widely advertised big game releases, such as Hellgate and Crysis, are being released with both DX9 and DX10 compatability. Which means that for now DX10 remains something of a flashy gimmick.
My own move to DX10 will undoubtedly come not as a need to upgrade my OS, but my hardware. By which time I'm rather hoping MS will have moved on to a less contraversial build (too much to hope they will have moved on to a less contraversial marketing strategy.) What I've seen online suggests I'm not alone in this.
As far as the "arrogant jerk" comment, you might consider that you took it upon yourself to unilaterally decide the question was "shut and closed" without actually addressing a single thing I'd said. If you'll take a deep breath, you might notice that I've repeatedly stated that you have every right to feel that the move to Vista was right- for you. What you haven't done is make a very good case that the move to Vista is right for anyone else.
I don't get my jollies by "picking on you", Blayne. But I don't particularly feel I should have to weave a reasonably argued concusion around the idea that you feel martyred.
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quote: Dude have you SEEN the advice he gave me? "formate install XP"
I'm a woman, not a "he."
Vista is not worth running right now. It needs at least one SP. As others have pointed out, XP runs better than Vista on every platform and already has all the useful features. This is why Vista sales are miserable and why manufacturers are still shipping machines with XP. Too many people are requesting it.
Blayne, you're just like Mike from Something*Positive. I hope one day you take a major chill pill like he did.
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Blayne Bradley
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Sorry Sterling then, but from browsing forums of people constantly whining how Halo 2 didnt work on XP and begging for people to crack it kinda makes me sad, I just don't think that any software working on a system not what it was meant for via extralegal means will run as stably as it would on Vista properly maintained and having the recomended specs.
I am not "insisting" that people make the switch, I switched because I partitioned my harddrive wrong and my school was going to be using Vista exclusive devlopment software eventually and I could get it for free, I have no regreted using Vista because for me once I had 2 GB of ram anyways works just fine.
And Pixiest your an anomynous entity on a forum, even if you have stated you gender before I really don't think I am honestly expected to remember anyways gender when I have trouble remembering people's names as it is. For simplicity I refer to people as "hes" shes only when their name explicitly implies being feminem.
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Blayne, Halo 2 is a pretty seriously lame shooter. Don't let that be the deciding factor in your OS installation.
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Blayne Bradley
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Halo 2 is awesome, its one of the best shooters out there with one of the best tie in novel series I have ever read.
And Pixie, with my group of friends you would be surprised.
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Can I add a question? I bought a Dell laptop recently which came bundeled with Vista. I've accessed one wireless network without trouble, and then I came to my apartment and tried to access a pretty standard Linksys wireless router. My computer will hook-up to it, but not always. Typically if I shut-down and leave the computer off for some time, when I restart it says it can't even find a single wireless network (including one or two that aren't mine, but are still in range). Then I close the computer (sleep mode) and open it up and sometimes it'll register the wireless networks and sometimes not. And when it does, sometimes it doesn't. But even when it does it normally wont connect to the internet, local access only. If I leave the computer running for numerous hours that way it'll eventually reconnect and everything works fine until I shut down again. Does anyone know how to solve this problem? It's rather annoying. Even knowing what the problem is would be nice.
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I've had a similar problem (and I run XP). Sometimes my computer wouldn't even see the network if I shut it down, even though it was fine before I shut it down.
I think we had to upgrade the firmware on the router. At any rate, rebooting the router generally took care of the problem temporarily.
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I can't believe people are discussing whether or not X is a lame shooter. There is no such thing as a good shooter; the genre as a whole is lame.
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