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Puffy Treat
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So, Marvel revealed the "new" Captain America today, complete with an Alex Ross-revamped costume.

Happiness is a warm gun.

Guesses as to who's behind the mask:

  • Bucky
  • A Skrull
  • A Skrull pretending to be Bucky
  • The Red Skrull, I mean Skull.
  • Sharon Carter after a "special operation".

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TomDavidson
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It'll be Bucky, I bet. I mean, he's got a gun and everything. But I wish it were Peter Parker.
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I'm still hoping it's the Punisher. They laid some ground work for it during the Civil War with comments about the two being the same soldier in different wars. (There were other comments that a friend of mine would be happy to regail you with in detail. I just remember the one because it was a good line.) Plus it would explain the gun.

I like the shiny picture.

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Is it just me, or does the striping on his rippled abs make him look like a lactating mother cat?

[Confused]

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Puffy Treat
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quote:
Originally posted by AvidReader:
They laid some ground work for it during the Civil War with comments about the two being the same soldier in different wars.

Which just goes to show: In a Mark Millar story, he invents brand new personalities for every character. Captain America was an idealistic soldier who was pure of heart as well as strong of body. Frank Castle is an emotionally dead psychopath who likes killing more than he even loves the memory of his dead family.

Not much correlation there. [Smile]

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Puffy Treat
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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
But I wish it were Peter Parker.

Peter is still trapped in JMS's incredibly grim, gritty, oh-so-deep-and-meaningful stories about how life sucks and hypocrites suck and dying aunts suck.

Maybe when Slott hits the reset button...

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It's superman.
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You know, when I first heard some of the spoilers about "One More Day," I was livid. It not only sought to undo something that, once done, should not be undone, but did so in a dumb, inherently selfish way. I mean, c'mon: Peter gets the ability to time travel and this is what he uses it for? How many dumb accidents -- including the death of his uncle -- could be unmade at a single stroke?

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But, that over, I started thinking: that's actually an in-continuity series that I'd love to read. Spidey in current continuity, especially Spidey in current continuity with angst and an annulled marriage, is dull and pointless. But Spidey with angst, reliving the last twenty years of his life with full memory of what originally happened? That'd be downright fun. Ben, Gwen, Harry, the Spider-Mobile, even his first reaction to the Traveler: they'd all be informed by what he knows now.

And you'd still get to rip it all away from him when Hank finds somebody to remake the universe a second time, anyway, so that's okay. All the paradoxes could just vanish -- except maybe you could make some of the dumber ideas go away forever.

I'm thinking you could keep it fast-paced, just hit the highlights, and get six or seven issues out of it before the conceit got pointless. But, heck, if you're going to let Peter Parker undo his mistakes at substantial personal cost, let him undo his mistakes. It's not like May hasn't kicked the bucket before.

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It's Booster Gold.
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I hate the gun.
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I too don't like the gun. It is not what Cap is about. As an Englishman I did not like the way Marvel gave the British hero union Jack a gun and this is reminiscent of him. This is not the real Cap and there are plot twists to come, probably linked to the Skrull Megastory to come. Marvel is milking the cash cow again.
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Puffy Treat
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The thing that really gets me: They based the gun on the TERRIBLE old Captain America movie serials.

Not all nostalgia is good nostalgia.

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Honestly, the gun looks like a Colt M1911, which if they're going to give Captain America a gun, is so perfect a choice it's bordering on being too obvious.

I'd agree it's nostalgia (or the sign he's a gun collector), but not a bad choice. If you had to give him a gun anyways...

EDIT: Type

[ October 12, 2007, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: Architraz Warden ]

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Can this gun be considered grounds for us to combine our forces and stage a raid on Marvel with torches and pitchforks?
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Why? I think the use of a gun is perfectly sensible for Cap. It would be weird for, say, the Hulk.
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Why does he need a gun? He has a shield that can decapitate people.
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The designer on the new cap:

"Regarding the new design, Ross stated, "From the first time I had got the call, I did some drawings within about a day or two. I had an idea in my head immediately of what I would want to try and it largely incorporated this influence of a dark costume that had, say, a focal element of a shield on his chest -- his old 1940s shield as if it was put on his chest plate."

And the gun? Ross commented, "I always try and look back in the character's history to something that maybe was a forgotten costume element from a bygone age, maybe one of the earlier costume elements, to see if you could bring that part back. Well, funny enough, there's this awful movie serial made in the '40s with Cap where he had no shield, no wings on his mask, no white sleeves, little tiny gloves, and he carried a gun."

According to Brevoort, "As is typical when you change a classic character around, there are going to be some who'll love it and some who'll loathe it. But it does have the advantage that this isn't Steve Rogers, so what might seem right or wrong for his Captain America won't necessarily hold true in the same way for our new guy.""

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Look at it this way: At least it doesn't make Cap look like a space alien, the way Ross's redesign of Spider-Man would have.
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You know, any time I think about Spider-Man's costume, my brain immediately segues into a dissection of stickiness.
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Ross's costume designs are best when they're being carefully controlled by teamwork with guys like Kurt Busiek and Brent Anderson. By having tightly defined parameters for the look of Astro City's characters, Ross has been freed up from his own odd tics and fixations to produce some visually striking, elegant stuff.
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I'm actually okay with this design, although I think it's odd that he's apparently dipped his upper torso in Jello.

No, seriously, the only weird thing about this is that whoever replaced Cap decided to keep the giant "A" on his forehead. That's just weird.

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That looks like spider man went on Star Trek TNG.
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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
I'm actually okay with this design, although I think it's odd that he's apparently dipped his upper torso in Jello.

When I first saw it, I thought: "Oh cool, Marvel's gotten the rights from Archie to bring back The Shield!" [Razz]
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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
the only weird thing about this is that whoever replaced Cap decided to keep the giant "A" on his forehead. That's just weird.

It's so we'll know he doesn't stand for France.
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France?
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Mark Millar made this really stupid joke once in The Ultimates where "Ultimate" Captain America -screamed- "DO YOU THINK THIS 'A' ON MY FOREHEAD STANDS FOR FRANCE?!?"

Apparently he thought this was brilliant, as he had characters refer back to that line for the next few issues.

It briefly was a meme on the various comics blogs and message boards. [Smile]

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