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Does it really not exist? Did no one think that there are people who might want to trade in their VHS copies of the original for dvds and get the prequels at the same time? Is there some sort of legal/contract/silly-business problem?
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No matter what you thought of the quality of the prequels, one has to admit that they spoil every surprise on the original trilogy. Every dramatic revelation? It's built up and hinted at for nothing if you watched the prequels first.
They'd have to substantially restructure and revamp the original trilogy in order for a 1-6 watching order to work.
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The only important Star Wars DVDs are the ones that came out last year which include as "Special Features" the original, unedited versions of the first three films.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: The only important Star Wars DVDs are the ones that came out last year which include as "Special Features" the original, unedited versions of the first three films.
This man speaks the truth!
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Lucas wants to wait until he thinks everyone who is going to buy the prequels on dvd has done so, so that they will go out and buy the 6 dvd set buying everything twice.
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I'd like to see some Ewok specials... Those guys were awesome... My only complaint about the digital re-doing of the original trilogy is Greedo shooting first. 1. Bounty Hunters wouldn't miss at about 3 feet away. 2. They did a CRAP job of it. 3. Greedo wouldn't have missed, and it adds nothing to the story except taking away from Han Solo's coolness.
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Ooh, I hadn't heard about the ones with the real thing as special features (the edited stuff was a mess).
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Greedo was an inept doof, I wouldn't even call him a bounty hunter. In the EU, Jabba more or less sent Greedo to Han Solo as both a message to Han, but also to get Greedo killed.
And as for releases, I guess Lucas might have gone one step further than most others, but come on, double and even triple dipping is common fare these days. LOTR was released three or four times, as a collected set, individually, then with special features, then with MORE special features, individually, as sets, the soundtracks, the insanely overpriced EXTENDED soundtracks, etc. etc. Weren't there three versions of Serenity as well? Each with just a LITTLE bit more?
I didn't think about it that way Puffy, but you're right, that DOES take the fun away from the revelations of the originals.
Some of the edits for the special features were pretty cool. I didn't mind the scene they added in with Han and Jabba in the landing bay, some other cut scenes and a couple of the added CGI scenes. The Greedo thing was dumb, everyone knows Han shot first. I didn't like the edits that changed things like THAT, and while I liked the new music they put in the Ewok celebration at the end, I think the original music was better. And the changes they made (for the sake of continuity I know) by putting in Hayden Christiansen as Anakin on ROTJ and what's his name as Palpatine in that holotransmission were dumb, maybe the dumbest changes he made.
On the whole original is still the best, but the special editions still have fun goodies.
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quote:My only complaint about the digital re-doing of the original trilogy is Greedo shooting first.
Wait!?! What??? I never saw the 'digitally remastered' videos, but Greedo simply CANNOT shoot first. Stupid remakes. See, this is why I hate it when they redo stuff. They always, and I repeat, always mess it up.
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Does anyone know what the actual reason behind the Greedo thing was? I know it's arguable the biggest source of outrage on the internet (even I am mildly ticked off), but I can't for the life of me see why Lucas decided to make the change in the first place. Whatever...it's not like I have a particularly high opinion of his directing ability anyway.
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I'm pretty sure it was to make Han less "bad" and have him kill Greedo out of self defense. Which is just stupid, because I think part of the importance of Han's character is that he changes. you'll notice in the dvd release he altered that scene to have Greedo and Han shoot much closer together. Instead of shoot then dodge then shoot back, it became shoot/dodge/shoot back almost all at once. Greedo still fires first but Han is cocked and ready. An improvement over the original special editions, but still sad.
Empire Strikes Back is the only special edition where I think all the changes helped the movie(and the dvd i watch most). Most of the changes were background and special effect changes(i.e.-opening up cloud city). There was the line change(alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival) which fixed a sort of nonsensical statement from the original, and then the changed dialog between Vader and Palpatine in the meditation chamber for the dvd release for continuity reasons with the prequels. That dialog change didn't bother me at all either.
The changes that bugged me about A New Hope were obviously Greedo, and also the Jabba scene. It was cool to see the scene, but the cg was crappy and jarring. It was really nice to see the Biggs scene later on though.
Return is the most saddening. Between the hideous song and dance number in Jabba's palace and the new edition of Hayden Christiansen's head I can barely force myself to watch it. getting more Bobba Fett action was cool, but the whole burp when the Sarlac eats him was over the top. and then replacing his voice throughout for the dvds was also annoying. I don't mind the new music at the end, but I miss Yub-Yub.
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quote:Originally posted by Starsnuffer: I'd like to see some Ewok specials... Those guys were awesome... My only complaint about the digital re-doing of the original trilogy is Greedo shooting first. 1. Bounty Hunters wouldn't miss at about 3 feet away. 2. They did a CRAP job of it. 3. Greedo wouldn't have missed, and it adds nothing to the story except taking away from Han Solo's coolness.
Indeed. Why do you have to wait for the guy to shoot first if he's already stated the intention to either kill you or take you to a guy who is wants to kill you.
I think it's just one of many examples illustrating why Lucas should stick to producing while leaving the writing or directing to someone else.
Meanwhile the only Star Wars episode that get's any mileage around my place is Empire Strikes Back. It's the one of the very few movies that gets me to dust off and plug in my VCR.
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: No matter what you thought of the quality of the prequels, one has to admit that they spoil every surprise on the original trilogy. Every dramatic revelation? It's built up and hinted at for nothing if you watched the prequels first.
They'd have to substantially restructure and revamp the original trilogy in order for a 1-6 watching order to work.
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: I didn't think about it that way Puffy, but you're right, that DOES take the fun away from the revelations of the originals.
Why would you watch them in that order?
Epics often begin en medias res, and that's the order they're meant to be told/read/viewed in. Of course the prequels spoil the surprises. They assume you already know. This is the story of how the stuff you know about came to be.
As with Asimov's Robot/Empire/Foundation novels, or McCaffrey's Pern series, the best order to read them in is the order in which they were created.
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I have no desire to watch them in that order, my post was in response to Lyr's desire to try watching them from 1-6. And I agree, it doesn't work that way. Posts: 6689 | Registered: Jan 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Icarus: As with Asimov's Robot/Empire/Foundation novels, or McCaffrey's Pern series, the best order to read them in is the order in which they were created.
This is true. Except in the case of episodes 1-3 I sometimes wish I had never seen them. Medichlorians Posts: 686 | Registered: Sep 2001
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