Topic: I have a theory about reviving the dead in Full Metal Alchemist
Blayne Bradley
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Okay so anyways, so apparently its impossible from the very beginning to "bring back" the dead, BUT its not impossible to transfer a persons soul, though there appears to be some kind of rejection reaction depending on circumstances not fully explained yet by episode 20.
So I have an interesting theory, couldn't you as a workaround when someone is about to die, by say trauma or old age remove the persons soul and then "affix" it to armor or a crystal or whatever object the rules of the universe lets you do until you can transmute together a "blank" body with no soul that has full respiratory functions and then remove it from the souljar and then affix it to the blank? This seems to be it could be a clever workaround assuming they could figure out the cause/effect of the rejection reaction.
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Blayne: I'll run your idea by my brother who is a bit more into FMA.
In other news, it's probably wise not to sincerely impress yourself and call your own idea "clever." It makes people less interested in being fair to your idea and instead focus on humbling you by dismantling it with more vigor than they normally would employ in such a task.
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Blayne Bradley
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Aha! But I said "could be clever" I did not say "is clever" and most certainly did not say "IT IS GENIUS!"
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Aha! But I said "could be clever" I did not say "is clever" and most certainly did not say "IT IS GENIUS!"
You've setup a situation where if it works you've already identified it as clever.
Saying, "If I'm right, then it's sheer genius." Is virtually the same as saying, "I am a genius." You've simply been kind enough to withhold your verdict until some other party agrees.
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Blayne Bradley
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quote:Originally posted by manji: Don't we already have a Fullmetal Alchemist thread?
By the way, this idea is already addressed in the manga. So, it's not as original as you think.
some of us have not read the manga yet.
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Isn't this basically like what Hohenheim and Dante were doing in the first series? It's just transferring a soul to new bodies indefinitely. In the manga/Brotherhood it's been established that a soul will inevitably be rejected by any body that it's not native to, and in the first series it was established that Hohenheim and Dante's life forces were diminished with each transfer, and each new body deteriorated faster. Either way, you can't play musical chairs with a soul indefinitely.
Also, don't forget that human transmutation requires a highly skilled alchemist and even in the best case scenario it costs a body part each time!
ETA And yes, there is already an FMA thread that this could have gone in.
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Blayne Bradley
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quote:Originally posted by neo-dragon: Isn't this basically like what Hohenheim and Dante were doing in the first series? It's just transferring a soul to new bodies indefinitely. In the manga/Brotherhood it's been established that a soul will inevitably be rejected by any body that it's not native to, and in the first series it was established that Hohenheim and Dante's life forces were diminished with each transfer, and each new body deteriorated faster. Either way, you can't play musical chairs with a soul indefinitely.
Also, don't forget that human transmutation requires a highly skilled alchemist and even in the best case scenario it costs a body part each time!
ETA And yes, there is already an FMA thread that this could have gone in.
I think the problem with each case of Human Transmutation is that they kept trying to bring someone back rather then simply creating a blank body with no soul or spirit, I don't think the scientifically alchmecal process in anyway can determine "ah this is organic grab a limb" "ah this is metallic its fine" but rather if it tried to call back a soul.
If the Alchemist can perform the transmutation without attempting to bring back someone already dead then it might at the very least be something that can bridge the gap as long as you extract the soul from the dying person first and keep it saved to some form of phylactery.
Oooh that would be awesome, a Full Metal Alchemist equivilent to a lich!
For example we already know 2 things A) the Philospher Stone can do MANY great things.
B) That there's medical Alchemy that DOESNT grab limbs randomly and this lets your seal wounds and regrow limbs!
So assuming this isn't a plothole/asspull its not hard to assume then that the key missing piece is a soul, any attempt to bring back a soul results in failure with compensation, if you dont try that then your good and thus it might be possible to create a WHOLE new BODY without a soul, the tricky part is once your done getting the respiratory system going which I assume is the hard part.
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I just now looked closely enough to realize that Blayne Bradley and BlackBlade are not the same name. the first time I read this I read i read all of both names as Blayne Bradley and was getting very confused.
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quote:Originally posted by Marek: I just now looked closely enough to realize that Blayne Bradley and BlackBlade are not the same name. the first time I read this I read i read all of both names as Blayne Bradley and was getting very confused.
I do that all the time... Posts: 1574 | Registered: May 2008
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quote:Originally posted by Marek: I just now looked closely enough to realize that Blayne Bradley and BlackBlade are not the same name. the first time I read this I read i read all of both names as Blayne Bradley and was getting very confused.
It was easier when Blayne was Sid Meier, but he seems determined to remain BB as well. Posts: 14316 | Registered: Jul 2005
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B) That there's medical Alchemy that DOESNT grab limbs randomly and this lets your seal wounds and regrow limbs!
Wasn't regrowing limbs explicitly stated as something that medical alchemy could not do? (barring a philosopher's stone, at least)
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That sort of goes without saying considering the state that Ed's in.
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Blayne Bradley
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quote:Originally posted by ricree101:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
B) That there's medical Alchemy that DOESNT grab limbs randomly and this lets your seal wounds and regrow limbs!
Wasn't regrowing limbs explicitly stated as something that medical alchemy could not do? (barring a philosopher's stone, at least)
Well its not like Edward had a master medical alchemist on hand and its not like they WANT to tell people about Al, they did commit a grave taboo which i assume is gravely illegal in Amersteris, its logical the would keep it underground and more liekly maybe just never thought of it thus far in the manga?
does the philosopher stone in the manga/new anime have a timelimit on its transmutations like in the original anime? i recal a village of petrified people who resumed being petrified when the stone ran out.
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What would Ed getting his limbs regenerated have to do with spilling the beans about Al? It's no secret that he's missing limbs, and given that he knows Dr. Marcho (probably the best medical alchemist introduced in the series) he obviously would have regenerated his limbs if it was possible to do so.
I think that philosopher stones in the manga can be used up like in the first anime.
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Blayne Bradley
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quote:Originally posted by neo-dragon: What would Ed getting his limbs regenerated have to do with spilling the beans about Al? It's no secret that he's missing limbs, and given that he knows Dr. Marcho (probably the best medical alchemist introduced in the series) he obviously would have regenerated his limbs if it was possible to do so.
I think that philosopher stones in the manga can be used up like in the first anime.
I don't think Marcoh was in much of a position to help them very much and I'm not sure if Ed had even thought of it.
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You think that Ed just forgets that half the reason they're looking for the p. stone is to restore his own body? Even if he did, Al would certainly remind him.
Trust me, nothing in the manga or either anime series has ever suggested that limbs can be replaced by conventional alchemy. If they could be, why would there be automail? The closest thing is Scar's arm. Let's just leave it at that.
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Blayne Bradley
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Except Roy could transmute a full cadaver, I think the better explanation why they don't is simply because its like asking the Germans of WWI to build a laptop computer, its "possible" in theory but impossible in practice as they don't have the information and electronics theories advance enough yet and don't have any machine parts of factories/labs sufficiently advance yet to assemble one even if they did have the theory as they lacked the ability to make refined enough silicon for decades.
So I think transmuting a "blank" body is possible I'm sure of it, they just don't have advance enough alchemy do it yet! Aha! I got you now~!
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I don't think I ever said that they can't transmute a "blank" body. The trick is transferring a soul into such a body, and not having it be rejected the same way Al's armour will inevitably reject his soul. As Al says in episode 20, "It's impossible to place a soul that doesn't belong on a body. If you force a soul on to one, it will eventually be rejected."
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Blayne Bradley
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Thats the theory they came up with one time observation, I should note that the test subject was the barry and he had some kind of animal soul put into him, a blank body might very well accept the first soul put into it.
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