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I wasn't, and I'm glad you clarified. Because it seemed as though you were generalizing to the conflict between Jews and Muslims. Lisa and I are of the same "house".
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That thread was older than my time here. Well, older than my active time here. I remember checking this forum in high school and being wowed by Rivka, BB and others. Although I only joined the conversation relatively recently, it's hard to watch something that preceded you, with so much value, about topics so important to me, locked up just because some dude with 30 posts to his name doesn't know how to have a civil conversation.
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What I am wondering is, do the majority of Jews have this view on the story of creation? Or do they have just as many hard line creationists as the Christians do?
And yes, I understand it's a comedian making a joke so this isn't exactly hardcore theological study but I would still like to hear your opinions on the subject.
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You seem to be asking: Are most Jews literal creationists?
First you'll have to define "Jews" -- culturally Jewish (like Lewis Black)? religiously self-defining? and if the latter, which sub-group thereof? -- and how literal is literal?
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quote:Originally posted by rivka: Are most Jews literal creationists?
reform, conservative, and modern orthodox have all stated that they feel there is no conflict between evolutionary theory and the teaching of judaism. Its mainly the haredi and such, so I would be rather surprised if literal creationists could claim anywhere near the majority of religious jewish.
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quote:Originally posted by rivka: You seem to be asking: Are most Jews literal creationists?
First you'll have to define "Jews" -- culturally Jewish (like Lewis Black)? religiously self-defining? and if the latter, which sub-group thereof? -- and how literal is literal?
Actually I was asking the opposite. Are most Jews non-literal creationists (as Lewis Black claims to be). As for the different groups, I don't know enough about them to even know how to ask.
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quote:Originally posted by Wingracer: Actually I was asking the opposite.
*shrug* It's the same question, however you phrase it.
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Trying to figure out the best way to answer the question.
Unlike Conservative and Reform Judaism, Modern Orthodox Judaism is a subset of Orthodox Judaism. I think a good way to judge whether or not a sect is considered Orthodox by the other subsets is if they will pray together. For the most part, Haredi Jews will pray in a Modern Orthodox Synagogue (if they were abroad, or in some MO area), and Modern Orthodox Jews would definitely pray in a Haredi synagogue.
I would say that their philosophical differences arise to the extent to which they are willing to interact with the secular world.
Modern Orthodoxy (in it's ideal form) believes that it should not not shun the secular, but spiritually elevate the secular. Many Modern Orthodox Jews watch tv, movie, read books, and only filter out thins that are in contravention to Orthodox law.
Orthodoxy includes Yeshivish Judaism, Hassidic, Judaism, and Haredi Judaism in addition to Modern Orthodox Judasim.
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quote:Orthodoxy is actually made up of several different groups. It includes the modern Orthodox, who have largely integrated into modern society while maintaining observance of halakhah (Jewish Law), the Chasidim, who live separately and dress distinctively (commonly, but erroneously, referred to in the media as the "ultra-Orthodox"), and the Yeshivish Orthodox, who are neither Chasidic nor modern. The Orthodox movements are all very similar in belief, and the differences are difficult for anyone who is not Orthodox to understand.
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Came across this in Bible study and I realized that the verses actually spell out the prohibition pretty clearly. For those who were interested in the whole interest thing (the discussion is in the locked thread):
Deuteronomy 23:20-21
Thou shalt not lend upon interest to thy brother: interest of money, interest of victuals, interest of any thing that is lent upon interest. Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon interest; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon interest; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou puttest thy hand unto, in the land whither thou goest in to possess it.
The Hebrew word for foreigner is "Nochri" and is used in other places as well as here to refer to a non-Jew.
I'm assuming this verse exists in the Christian OT, right? It's not an exclusively Jewish question to answer in terms of the fact that we both share the same God who has different laws for Jews and non-Jews.
I would still reaffirm the perspective that the interest laws are meant to foster a familial identity and that interest, in itself is not immoral (as evidenced by the fact that one need not accept a loan on interest). That perspective is also supported by the particular language of the verse.
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Actually, since charging interest (i.e., rent on the use of money) is completely normal and natural in the world, it really shouldn't concern anyone that Jews have an internal rule that bars us from charging interest to one another.
It's the mistranslation "usury" which gives people the impression that we're talking about squeezing people.
This internal prohibition is so extreme, incidentally, that it includes giving any consideration whatsoever for the use of someone else's money.
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