The NBC drama follows a former cop (played by Aussie newcomer and ER alum David Lyons) who was set up for a crime and to avenge his name dons a mask and – we can only assume – cape to become The Cape. Summer will play Orwell, "a cute and intrepid investigative blogger who fearlessly goes after corrupt cops and costumed bad guys."
It's NBC, and not FOX, which is a plus. Otherwise, I'd go and register www.savethecape.com right now. But who knows?
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www.savethecape.com because this show (seeing as it has a remote kevin-bacon game connection to Joss Whedon) is already going to be canceled.
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The idea of fighting to save a show that nobody's seen yet, and which may or may not be any good, is more than a little silly.
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I know she probably just looked different in the Serenity years because of her age, but I can't help but wish Glau would gain five pounds...
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: It worked so well for Dollhouse.
And Buffy, Angel, Firefly... just about the only thing Whedon that hasnt been cancelled prematurely was Dr. Horrible. Kinda odd to think that only Green, Hannigan and Boreanaz are the only ones to come out of the Whedonverse still working, does anyone know is Nicholas Brendon has done anything good lately?
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But didn't Buffy and Angel get like, 5+ seasons each? There's a difference between a show cancelled in its first or second season before it's had a chance to tell any kind of complete story and a show that got several years before hitting the ax. In my opinion most shows that last MORE than 4 years usually begin to suck anyway, although I didn't watch either Buffy or Angel so I don't know whether that was the case.
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I don't think they had really started to suck, but I do think Buffy had begun to kind of run out of ideas, and it was getting to where no matter what she did there were monsters everywhere, the one eating fast food workers comes to mind. And it did get seven seasons, so I think it got to tell just about all it's stories.
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Most shows that last more than 4 years do start to suck, but there are notable exceptions with the actual peak beyond four years.
IMHO, Deep Space Nine indisputably hit its peak past four seasons, Next Generation probably, and maybe Stargate SG1 as well. For Whedon shows, I think Buffy was definitely down but Angel may have been cut down on its peak and could have used one or two more seasons.
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: It worked so well for Dollhouse.
And Buffy, Angel, Firefly... just about the only thing Whedon that hasnt been cancelled prematurely was Dr. Horrible. Kinda odd to think that only Green, Hannigan and Boreanaz are the only ones to come out of the Whedonverse still working, does anyone know is Nicholas Brendon has done anything good lately?
The answer is a few clicks on imdb.com away. Honestly, while most of 'em aren't exactly solo box office draws, none of the actors associated with Whedon seem to be lacking work.
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quote:Originally posted by Mucus: Most shows that last more than 4 years do start to suck, but there are notable exceptions with the actual peak beyond four years.
M*A*S*H stayed good for 8 or 9 seasons.
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: It worked so well for Dollhouse.
And Buffy, Angel, Firefly...
Um, no. Nobody was fighting to keep Buffy nor Angel from being canceled before it even aired, and before anybody knew it it was going to be any good or not.
quote:just about the only thing Whedon that hasnt been cancelled prematurely was Dr. Horrible
Neither Buffy nor Angel were canceled prematurely.
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Neither Buffy nor Angel were canceled prematurely.
From Wiki:
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On February 14, 2004, the WB Network announced that Angel would not be brought back for a sixth season. The one-paragraph statement indicated the news, which had been reported by an Internet site the previous day, had been leaked well before the network intended to make its announcement. Joss Whedon posted a message on a popular fan site, The Bronze: Beta, in which he expressed his dismay and surprise, saying he was "heartbroken" and compared it to a "healthy guy falling dead from a heart attack."
quote:Originally posted by Sterling: I know she probably just looked different in the Serenity years because of her age, but I can't help but wish Glau would gain five pounds...
Amen.
Still don't understand the current obsession with such petite actresses.
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Because seeing them beat the crap out of bigger guys is awesome?
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Neither Buffy nor Angel were canceled prematurely.
Are you serious, or do you mean that in your opinion, they had stopped being good, and therefore their cancellation wasn't premature?
Because Buffy got cancelled at the end of season 5, if you'll recall. And Angel season 5 ended on a total cliffhanger.
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Yeah, you've got a point with Angel -- its quality was improving right up until the end. But it still had a good run.
While there are many choice episodes in seasons 6 and 7 of Buffy, I think it would have been better if it had ended at the end of season 5. Getting two more seasons and then being canceled is not premature. It was ready to be put down.
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Angel may have ended on a cliffhanger, but the writers knew it was over.
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I'ld say in general that if a show ends before the writers can properly end the series then it was premature regardless of quality.
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Neither Buffy nor Angel were canceled prematurely.
Are you serious, or do you mean that in your opinion, they had stopped being good, and therefore their cancellation wasn't premature?
Because Buffy got cancelled at the end of season 5, if you'll recall. And Angel season 5 ended on a total cliffhanger.
I will admit that Buffy had become stagnate in certain respects, I guess Whedon and company just needed some time away to get back into the characters again before making the comic. Angel is a differant story, Whedon himself had an interview where he promised not to end Angel on a cliff-hanger, and felt that he had alot more stories to tell through that cast and the next day UPN told him to wrap up the entire series in the last two or three episodes. Wesley and Gunn alone could have been an awesome show IMO, all the crap they went through together with plenty reason to both rely and hate each other made for my favorite dialogue in the last season. Its funny, the longer Buffy has gone in comic form the better its gotten, and the oppisite is true of Angel (seriously, there are actual angels about and a demon/amazonian army who randomly pledged thier lives to Connor.)
Note: not a single hatracker has refuted that Firefly was sent to the gallows far too soon, as a matter of fact to say so may invoke some to offer your head for the block. Just shows that we are in good company, browncoats rule.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: I'ld say in general that if a show ends before the writers can properly end the series then it was premature regardless of quality.
Some shows are impossible to properly end.
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quote:Originally posted by Stephan: Still don't understand the current obsession with such petite actresses.
Speaking as someone who prefers older and more curvaceous to scrawny, androgynous, and teenage-looking, I actually found Summer Glau the most attractive of the Firefly girls because of the grace and power of her combat movement. It was a 3rd or 4th viewing before I began to see some of the flaws in her fight scenes (from a fighting perspective), and even at that there aren't many.
So... kind of what Blayne is saying, but more from a technical perspective than an butt-kicking one.
I should add that if I hadn't seen "Serenity" first, I probably would have picked Gina Torres instead. First impressions are long lasting.
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quote:Speaking as someone who prefers older and more curvaceous to scrawny, androgynous, and teenage-looking, I actually found Summer Glau the most attractive of the Firefly girls
Even more than Christina Hendricks?
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Sorry... I meant of the crew. Also, there's that whole movie first thing which keeps me focussed on those four, as well.
Christina Hendricks may be about as close to my physical ideal as is possible... especially when she reaches Nigella Lawson's age.
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Id rather see a movie about him getting tased than some Bruce Campbell-esque flick, is it just me or does he seriously resemble Bruce in that pic?
As to Glau, I like women when they are healthy to thier own particular bodies, Cameron Diaz has never been curvy but she seems healthy after all these years and while Glau is petite there is nothing to make me believe she is unhealthy. With Summer Glau I dont really see her gaining much wieght, she was a professional ballerina and all, that fragile balance of ability strength and wieght resrictions is hard to unlearn and the best are those who the body comes naturally to. Classical ballet at the professional level should have a positive and lasting effect on the body, just like any physically demanding proffesion... its not like Lance Armstrong is ever gonna get fat.
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Summer Glau's role in Serenity has been mentioned. But why has no one mentioned her role in the TV series, The Sarah Conner Chronicles, in which she was wonderful, sensational, as a terminator who seemed to be developing a soul and could dance ballet? (Summer Glau herself is a prima ballerina.) That was Summer's greatest role! I recorded every episode, and I still rewatch the whole thing from time to time. It's my favorite TV series of all time. I just wish they hadn't had to rush the ending.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: I'ld say in general that if a show ends before the writers can properly end the series then it was premature regardless of quality.
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: Summer Glau's role in Serenity has been mentioned. But why has no one mentioned her role in the TV series, The Sarah Conner Chronicles, in which she was wonderful, sensational, as a terminator who seemed to be developing a soul and could dance ballet? (Summer Glau herself is a prima ballerina.) That was Summer's greatest role! I recorded every episode, and I still rewatch the whole thing from time to time. It's my favorite TV series of all time. I just wish they hadn't had to rush the ending.
She guest starred in an ep of Angel, too. As a ballerina.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: I'ld say in general that if a show ends before the writers can properly end the series then it was premature regardless of quality.
Some shows are impossible to properly end.
Prove it, name a show.
Firefly could never really have ended properly, because it was an ongoing thing. Same with Star Trek. What kind of resolution can you have? I mean, Buffy started with Welcome to the Hellmouth and ended with the Hellmouth collapsing. That's resolution. Mary Tyler Moore ended with their station being bought and everyone leaving. M*A*S*H ended with the war ending and Hawkeye going home.
How can you have a proper ending to Smallville? How could you have had one to the old Adam West Batman show?
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: Summer Glau's role in Serenity has been mentioned. But why has no one mentioned her role in the TV series, The Sarah Conner Chronicles, in which she was wonderful, sensational, as a terminator who seemed to be developing a soul and could dance ballet? (Summer Glau herself is a prima ballerina.) That was Summer's greatest role! I recorded every episode, and I still rewatch the whole thing from time to time. It's my favorite TV series of all time. I just wish they hadn't had to rush the ending.
She guest starred in an ep of Angel, too. As a ballerina.
...with a rather captivating Russian accent...
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Firefly could never really have ended properly, because it was an ongoing thing. Same with Star Trek. What kind of resolution can you have? I mean, Buffy started with Welcome to the Hellmouth and ended with the Hellmouth collapsing ...
How can you have a proper ending to Smallville?
Firefly could have ended with everyone moving on (which they would have to do eventually, anyways) just like Star Trek DS9 for example. Or there could have been some resolution to the Browncoat/Alliance storyline as the film hints at.
Star Trek can be tricky since you can consider multiple endings (passing the baton on to TNG in ST6 or 7 versus passing it on to the reboot in ST11), Voyager ending with reaching home, and Enterprise ending with the founding of the Federation.
That could lend itself to the same thing with Smallville (Clark leaving Smallville to become Superman?). The other examples are before my time I'm afraid.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: I'ld say in general that if a show ends before the writers can properly end the series then it was premature regardless of quality.
Some shows are impossible to properly end.
Prove it, name a show.
Alias.
To properly end the show, they had to satisfactorily explain the the mysteries that the show had been built around.
But they couldn't explain the mysteries because the writers themselves had no clue. Instead of coming up with answers for the mysteries they had already written into the show (written without the writers having any answers for them), they just kept making up more mysteries. New mysteries that they also didn't have any answers to. It eventually reached the point where nobody, no matter how gifted, could have wrapped it all up satisfactorily.
I stopped watching Lost in part because I suspect that the same is true for that show.
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That too is why I stopped watching Lost. That and the answers I am told are being given suck.
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There's a difference between a "badly written mystery show" and a show that simply doesn't lend itself towards resolution. I think any random "suburban slice of life family drama" type show fits this mold. You can wrap up whatever story arc is going on at the time, but that's something you can do with pretty much any show.
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Sorta. I think the shows that simply "cannot" end properly actually come at the edges of continuity, when a show is so burdened by continuity that it cannot give a satisfactory ending (ex: X-Files) or when a show practically has no continuity (ex: The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits).
Otherwise, almost every show can end, you can always upset the storytelling "sandbox" in order to end the series. Seinfeld can go to jail (and out of the city), the Friends can move on, and so forth.
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When did he leave? My favorite season was 4, and the only reason I didn't like 5 had more to do with some mediocre acting/scripting than how they addressed certain mysteries.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: I'ld say in general that if a show ends before the writers can properly end the series then it was premature regardless of quality.
Some shows are impossible to properly end.
Prove it, name a show.
Battlestar Galactica. For all its awesomeness there was no way for that show to end properly. So it ended without explaining some of the bigger mysteries in the show. Fortunately I liked it so much I didn't really care about the ending. Posts: 4519 | Registered: Sep 2003
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I actually was fine with the ending for the most part. My issue was not with the ending, but with the fact that they built up the mysteries to the point that they superceded the characters.
With Lost, the mysteries have been a driving force of the show from day 1 and you can't separate the two. With BSG, the mysteries never really felt integral to me. You could have scripted everything with less focus on mystery and still had roughly the same show.
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Neither Buffy nor Angel were canceled prematurely.
Are you serious, or do you mean that in your opinion, they had stopped being good, and therefore their cancellation wasn't premature?
Because Buffy got cancelled at the end of season 5, if you'll recall. And Angel season 5 ended on a total cliffhanger.
Correct about Angel getting cancelled before Joss was ready for it to. Buffy was not cancelled at the end of season 5; it jumped ship from the WB to UPN at the volition of Team Whedon.
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