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Blayne Bradley
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Russia's T-50 PAK FA while not quite 5th generation will nevertheless be 3.5 to 3 times cheaper for superior all around operational performance and once upgraded will be superior!

[Big Grin] Okay so they had one non-tabloidy article. [Smile]

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Lyrhawn
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I'll believe it when I see it.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if it ended up being cheaper, per unit, than the Raptor. I would be amazed if it ended up being even a comparable aircraft, let alone superior. Russia has been at least ten years behind the US in fighter technology and design for 40 years.

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Blayne Bradley
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Well from what I've read by the enthusiasts over at SDN.net it has quite a few advantages as a platform over the F-22, longer range, lower maintanance, better operational performance and the stealth it has when it does get it will outlast the F-22's in operational conditions, (the F22's I've read losses stealthiness as it does sorties while the T-50 won't).

But this is probably a case of where I, you and the US aerospace industry really shouldn't be getting full of themselves and complacent.

"Nah the Germans couldn't be produce their own dreadnaughts!"

Also I "surprised if it was even comparable" what? Have you payed attention to the weapons development programs in China and Russia these's days? They've caught up pretty damn closely its only a matter of time now that funds are being reallocated to advanced weapons development.

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BlackBlade
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I'm sure those planes will look real nice when we shoot them all down one by one with our secret satellite arrays of death.
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Lyrhawn
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I'm sure both you, and SDN.net, are wholly unbiased sources of aerospace defense news.

Considering how classified most of the Raptor's real capabilities are, I don't know how you can make any sort of judgments. I'm mostly going off of recent history. I don't see the US and Russia getting into a war any time soon, but even if we do, there hasn't been a real dogfight war in a couple of decades. Everything is done from afar, which makes radar and stealth the two biggest aspects of a plane. Even if the T-50 can fly farther and faster than an F-22, it seems likely that it'll never be able to find the F-22, while the Raptor's radar will be lit up like a Christmas tree.

Besides, it's not even done yet, and Raptors are operational. I'm sure Boeing and Lockheed are working on something brand new, and Russia hasn't even produced a working finished product yet.

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Blayne Bradley
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quote:
Originally posted by BlackBlade:
I'm sure those planes will look real nice when we shoot them all down one by one with our secret satellite arrays of death.

The Chinese are ahead in that field.
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Lyrhawn
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To hear Blayne tell it, the Chinese are ahead in everything.
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*amused in general*
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Blayne Bradley
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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
To hear Blayne tell it, the Chinese are ahead in everything.

Didn't you read the article like 8 years back about them blinding an American spy satellite with a ground based laser in conjunction with their other ASAT weaponry?

Sorry can't hear you over how intolerable smug your being.

Seriously, its pretty much a fact that they are indeed putting a great deal of effort and straining in every sense of the word (re Paul Kennedy) to development their national and technological reources to be on par with the United States and to counter with asymmetric warfare US military doctrine.

Have you been keeping up to date?

Yes or no.

Your being absurdly smug, "ahead in everything"? Wtf? When have I ever claimed this in something that couldn't be independently verified?

[ June 19, 2010, 02:37 AM: Message edited by: Blayne Bradley ]

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Blayne: It's not really that high tech to use a laser to blind a satellite. But then again, we haven't seen a battle take place between two world powers that were using satellites to home in their smart bombs and missiles. I imagine that the US has worked very long and hard on a possible counter measure to satellites, but as the situation where that sort of tech would be useful has not come up, we just don't know about it.

Nobody would argue the Chinese and Russian military are advancing and growing by leaps and bounds. But to argue both of them are poised to surpass the US within even a decade is a bit generous to say the least. The US with all it's many resources spends much more on it's military industrial complex than China. What China does have going for it is that it's actively trying to steal our technology all the time, and in certain sectors it succeeds. As yet China does not have any units that are glaringly superior we can't exactly do the same to them.

But, I'll be the first to say I hope we never see the day where two first world countries play for keeps.

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Blayne,

Well, I'm not being smug, because I do think that China has some advantages over the United States, but I am dismissing your claims of their technological parity. Your China fanboyism often gets in the way of facts that can't be corroborated. There's nothing particularly wrong with China being behind the US in technology, we had a huge head start, and they're making up the ground very quickly. Stealing technology certainly helps close the gap, and buying a lot of it from the Russians helps too. Technologically they'll probably catch up in the next decade or two. Training wise, if they keep bumping up their military spending, you might get there in a decade or two as well.

But you're not there yet. Frankly I'm continually appalled by how much my country spends on its military. I am perfectly happy with the idea of cutting the military budget in half. Given that the United States spends more on R&D than Russia spends on their entire military, there's no way you're going to close that gap as fast as you'd like.

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