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Samprimary
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Maybe there's some movie that everybody loves. Please tell me it's not the revenge movie Godfather. I'd be so ashamed if that were our national icon.
is the godfather a "revenge movie"
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I'm confused about what this is?
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Nevermind. I checked OSC's blog post and sure enough, it was there.

So I'm surprised he didn't mention Star Wars. I personally didn't like the Godfather Trilogy, but I really enjoyed Star Wars. I think most Americans did, too.

Regardless, not everyone can agree one a piece of art or its value. To expect such a thing is silly. Not everyone back in the day agreed that a poem or poet was good, either. Some people just didn't like poetry at all.

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Originally posted by Samprimary:
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Maybe there's some movie that everybody loves. Please tell me it's not the revenge movie Godfather. I'd be so ashamed if that were our national icon.
is the godfather a "revenge movie"
Sorta right? His father is attacked, and he grabs the reigns and goes after his attackers.
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While I don't think it could be called just one type of movie (epic-length stories rarely are), surely among the top things Godfather would be called is a revenge movie. Most of the film centers on either acquiring power and its consequences-which is then used for revenge among other things-or the fallout from using power to take revenge.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeff C.:

Regardless, not everyone can agree one a piece of art or its value. To expect such a thing is silly. Not everyone back in the day agreed that a poem or poet was good, either. Some people just didn't like poetry at all.

True but with most things, all-time best lists do tend to come to some general consensus about many works or artists. For instance, most everyone knows that Bach, Beethoven and Mozart are the big three of classical music. They may not be your favorites but most people still put them at the top. Nearly all greatest scifi lists have Ender's Game on it. Greatest movie lists almost always include Godfather I and II.

One area that seems to have very little consensus is best ever romance novel lists. Take a look at them sometime. Out of ten lists there is one book you might see 3 times, the rest are all different.

Don't ask me why I know this [Big Grin]

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"The Godfather" is as much about revenge as "Hamlet" was, and doesn't OSC always go on about how much he loves Shakespeare.
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You can argue that The Godfather is a revenge movie in the same way you can argue The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is a revenge movie. It involves play-by-payback — the plot advances because of retaliatory acts — and finishes with some satisfying revenge, of a sort (tense but ultimately comical, in the case of Tuco). But that the movie built up to, effectively, a moment of sheer revenge was not the point. Neither movie was principally about revenge.

Nor do we have to be ashamed if Godfather is our national cinematic icon (it's not). I mean, it's only one of the greatest movies ever made. oh darn??

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Hyperbole and a Half feels real, though of course the title proclaims that it is an exaggeration. And even though it's aimed at women in particular
no it's not
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Speaking of Christmas songs, have you noticed how "Jolly Old St. Nicholas" has been bowdlerized, presumably to please feminists?
presumably an unlicensed old song primarily used in a hypercommercialized winter event has been modified because feminazis are oppressing us with hyper-pc culture. Or something. Well it is a good thing that this is presumed with some sort of evidence right because otherwise it's a loaded dullard's charge

right

evidence, right

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OSC needs to stop saying whatever comes into his head :/
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quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
You can argue that The Godfather is a revenge movie in the same way you can argue The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is a revenge movie. It involves play-by-payback — the plot advances because of retaliatory acts — and finishes with some satisfying revenge, of a sort (tense but ultimately comical, in the case of Tuco). But that the movie built up to, effectively, a moment of sheer revenge was not the point. Neither movie was principally about revenge.

Nor do we have to be ashamed if Godfather is our national cinematic icon (it's not). I mean, it's only one of the greatest movies ever made. oh darn??

It's a fantastic film, almost revolutionary in that it was an attempt to take people who were stock bad guys and actually look at them under the microscope while telling a compelling human story. It's one of the things that helped make American cinema an art form.

That said, if I could only choose one film to represent America to an outsider, it would *not* be that one. It's not a good representation of an American film, seeing as how the characters themselves identify as Sicilian or Italian first and foremost. But then again, that's about par the course for any 1st-2nd generation Americans.

I don't know which film I'd choose in lieu of it.

What about you guys?

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quote:
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Hyperbole and a Half feels real, though of course the title proclaims that it is an exaggeration. And even though it's aimed at women in particular
no it's not
Clearly it's because the main character is a female person wearing a pink dress.
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quote:
grabs the reigns
He does nothing of the sort; in fact, since a reign is not a material object it cannot be grabbed. The word you want is 'reins'.

Reign: The period in which a monarch rules; "Queen Elizabeth reigned from 1558 to her death in 1603".

Rein: Strap attached to a horse's bridle, enabling the rider to pull on it to indicate direction or speed. "He pulled on the reins, but the horse had the bit in its teeth and ignored him." Also used metaphorically to indicate control; "he took over the reins".

Rain: Water falling from the sky. "He's too dumb to come in out of the rain."

Reyne: Fictional family from GRRM's Game of Thrones. "And now the rains weep o'er his hall and not a soul to hear."

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quote:
Originally posted by theamazeeaz:
Clearly it's because the main character is a female person wearing a pink dress.

remember when he complained, in a world where the majority of all movies fail the Bechdel test, that Meridia's father wasn't important enough in the movie Brave, and that this was emblematic of that the 'gospel of feminists' is that fathers are to be avoided at all costs

yeap

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Is the title of this thread self-referential?
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quote:
Originally posted by King of Men:
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grabs the reigns
He does nothing of the sort; in fact, since a reign is not a material object it cannot be grabbed. The word you want is 'reins'.

Reign: The period in which a monarch rules; "Queen Elizabeth reigned from 1558 to her death in 1603".

Rein: Strap attached to a horse's bridle, enabling the rider to pull on it to indicate direction or speed. "He pulled on the reins, but the horse had the bit in its teeth and ignored him." Also used metaphorically to indicate control; "he took over the reins".

Rain: Water falling from the sky. "He's too dumb to come in out of the rain."

Reyne: Fictional family from GRRM's Game of Thrones. "And now the rains weep o'er his hall and not a soul to hear."

Oh I'm sorry, I left out a few words.

"His father is attacked, and he grabs a planted gun, and blows the brains out of three men, and after that he reigns."

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quote:
Originally posted by SenojRetep:
Is the title of this thread self-referential?

noap
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by SenojRetep:
Is the title of this thread self-referential?

noap
Oh. You do seem a little like an angry old man shaking your fist at the vicissitudes of ephemera, though. I'm not sure why you feel the need to run-down OSC's views, especially ones as benign and relatively minor as these.
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I think it helps having put into word form why the review is bad.
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As opposed to charades or blinking out morse code?
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Sam is like our Ebert when it comes to OSC.
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quote:
Originally posted by SenojRetep:
quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
quote:
Originally posted by SenojRetep:
Is the title of this thread self-referential?

noap
Oh. You do seem a little like an angry old man shaking your fist at the vicissitudes of ephemera, though. I'm not sure why you feel the need to run-down OSC's views, especially ones as benign and relatively minor as these.
hahahahaha, very well.

i was reading the latest orson scott card™ article by orson scott card — like ya do — and it struck me that they are often filled with little bizarre oddities that make me think "wait why does he .. think that"

normally these little oddities end up getting passed by because they have a tendency to be massively overshadowed by that point or points where he shoots straight past this, as you say, benign and relatively minor — into the certainly nonbenign, non-minor, and yes all those things he is now permanently infamous for. We can still discuss those, too. An excellent article came out recently discussing card from honestly as sympathetic a position as he can hope to deserve, and analyzing the tragedy of his malign word and deed against homosexuals. we can have this discussion concurrent to the purposefully trivial bits like his take on allie brosh's book.

but this time as a poster on this orson scott card™ forum i figured i would thread it because this is a forum full of people who follow card so why not. chiefly this time around one weird thing he said provoked an internal discussion (or viccisitudining of ephemerapodes or whatever) as i was surprised to have him classify the godfather as a 'revenge movie' and i started thinking about it and imagined a good back and forth on that one so i posted a thread about it and by extension all the little oddities of his postings, because i'm a rebel and i do what i want and i live by my own rules and back home they call me a revolutionary kinda guy, like once i put mayo on a hotdog, because i'm a lawbreaker and a rebel spirit, that's just how i roll, aint no box can hold me in, or make me cut my hair before the family reunion.

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actually instead of charades or morse code, I think my posts should be in semaphore

quote:
Originally posted by Elison R. Salazar:
Sam is like our Ebert when it comes to OSC.

video games are not and will likely never be art.
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quote:
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...i started thinking about it and imagined a good back and forth on that one so i posted a thread about it and by extension all the little oddities of his postings...

But what you did was make a thread where you mocked him for three minor oddities, rather than inviting discussion. That there has been some back and forth is largely due to other posters; it seems to me that your contribution (other than opening the thread) was pretty much limited to bile and petty denigration.
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But what you did was make a thread where you mocked him for three minor oddities, rather than inviting discussion.
if the first post in the thread hadn't been literally exactly just a question about the thing i wanted discussed (which was then discussed) i would entertain this notion.

instead, i should say my imagining there would be a back and forth on that one was a pretty accurate imagining so far! i could ask you, directly, the same thing! do you think that the Godfather is accurately or best represented as a "revenge movie!" would you be ashamed if it as a movie was 'our national cinematic icon' as opposed to perhaps just being considered a national cinematic icon. my contribution is obviously not limited to 'bile and petty denigration' and i am obviously inviting discussion as you can see in my previous post to you where I do genuinely say we can have your discussions too! this having discussions thing is obviously the best.

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Here's what I took from your posts in this thread, prior to my initial post:

1) Is The Godfather a revenge movie?
2) No, it's not; only superficial thinking would make you think it was. Also, OSC is silly for fretting about whether it's a symbol of American culture and ethos.
3) Also, OSC is a sexist and doesn't get Allie Brosh or her audience.
4) OSC is stupid and a sexist.
5) Remember that OSC is a sexist.

Maybe that wasn't you meant for your posts to communicate, and maybe I'm being insufficiently charitable and a different observer would draw different messages from your posts, but to me your contributions seem intended not to generate discussion, but to make fun of OSC for writing things you thought were silly and wrong. To me, it seems like you're just being ornery, directing mean-spirited invective toward an object that won't hear you and is never going to engage you back.

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first! you may want to reread my second post, i haven't even decided whether you can call a movie a revenge movie when, critically analyzed, revenge isn't the overall point of it. obviously the godfather contains revenge of the most capital sort in an epic violent crescendo at the end. obviously i have an opinion to add to the discussion! my opinion does not claim that thinking that the movie is a revenge movie only possibly the result of superficial thinking.

second! there's plenty of stuff that osc says which is silly and wrong in a not exactly trivial manner. i am totally fine mocking that. i know that lolling at his off-kilter rants at [liberals feminists global warmists the shadow government black army of black hoodlums the leftaliban gay marriagists etc] is towards an object that won't hear me and is never going to engage me back obviously. i have no illusions of making osc a better person from mentioning things he says on a forum he doesn't read anymore, and he's certainly made his bed in terms of what i'm going to poke fun at here. his crap about feminists in this latest article is a perfect example of that, in that "oh boy, here goes old uncle orson again" fashion. he conspiracy-itizes the bowdlerization of a heavily commercially co-opted christmas song, baldly presuming (for, uh, reasons? presumably?) it as being the work of appeasement for those feminists. shouldn't this hyper-PC culture have known that this song had a feminist spirit already! silly feminists.

i somehow doubt you disagree this is kind of dumb!

anyway. overexplanation phase over

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well almost over

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Also, OSC is a sexist and doesn't get Allie Brosh or her audience.
like sexist how? there are a lot of different ways to be sexist. he is certainly turgidly anti-feminist but that is because his interpretation of feminists is that it was the feminists who were the sexists all along! but yeah why is he of the opinion that allie's book is primarily geared at women. i do not think that is true of the book. do you?
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Well, I have about 3 chapters left. I haven't read ALL of what's on Hyperbole and a Half, but I can't think of anything on the entire blog that couldn't have been written by someone of either gender.

I will say that the book is primarily geared at people who like dogs. As it happens, I have never had a dog, and don't really like them very much. Some parts were funny, but they were harder to relate to. Maybe OSC meant to say dogs but wrote girls instead.

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quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
well almost over

quote:
Also, OSC is a sexist and doesn't get Allie Brosh or her audience.
like sexist how? there are a lot of different ways to be sexist. he is certainly turgidly anti-feminist but that is because his interpretation of feminists is that it was the feminists who were the sexists all along! but yeah why is he of the opinion that allie's book is primarily geared at women. i do not think that is true of the book. do you?
I've long been of the opinion that OSC's horribly written women characters were a sign that he just doesn't understand women very well, and probably doesn't like them very much. But that it's more about not understanding them, than about finding them inferior.

There's always this thing about women in OSC novels: they're mostly uber-competent, but there's almost always something deeply wrong with them that makes them hate themselves. But then, hey, it is literature.

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I don't think Katarina, or Ivan's mother were like that in Enchanted. Of course Baba Yaga was, but then she was the main antagonist.
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quote:
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like once i put mayo on a hotdog

Seriously, what is wrong with you.
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Well in fairness to the man, I think it can be said that 'something they hate about themselves' is hardly mono-gendered in his work.
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So where exactly is this self esteem generation?

I mean, I'm 24, so I'm pretty sure I'm part of the current generation, or within a few years of it. But I've never seen any of this "everyone gets a prize!" mentality.

I mean, I do remember from about 2nd grade on being in constant competition with my classmates. I was part of a Jeopardy style quiz team in elementary school which was pretty brutal. So was baseball. I remember running until I threw up, countless hours at the gym, getting cussed out by my coach after every practice. I remember going to the State championship in Junior High. And you know what never crossed my mind? "Gee! I sure am glad I don't have to try hard at all, because no matter what I get a participation trophy!" If only I had known!

I remember constantly pulling all nighters studying in high school and college, because college is f***cking expensive as hell nowadays and I wouldn't have been able to even go without the scholarship. Too bad I had the scholarship you had to maintain a 3.5 to keep, rather than the special "everyone gets a prize!" scholarship. I would have really liked that.

I remember going to war at 20 years old, and spending months sleeping on the ground, or in the rain. Being eaten alive by mosquitoes, hiking 15, 20 miles with a 100 lb pack, waking up aching so badly that I could barely move. I remember going 4 days with almost no food while hiking 50 miles. I can remember sweating so much that my clothes turned white from the salt.

...Heck, I can remember *today*, I just got off working a 14 hour shift.

But nooo! I'm part of the entitlement generation! I've had everything handed to me on a plate! I think I'm the smartest person in the world, and I have no work ethic!

At least, according to soft, fat old man who looks like he's never worked a day of hard physical labor in his life. Who admits to never actually dedicating the amount of time or effort necessary to be good at sports (and yet still condescendingly criticizes and disparages high school athletics). Who has probably never really been hungry or had to sleep outdoors or even been in actual physical danger in his life.

Well, I'm glad he feels like *he's* so much better than I am, and ought to be lecturing me on hard work and dedication. Jesus Christ, what a pathetic joke.

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I'm 27, some of it existed for my generation.

When I was aged 2-3, I took dance classes. At the end of the year we got a trophy. It said that I did dance for a year. My sister got one that said she did dance for two years. Basically if you finished out the year in some sort of sport, there was a banquet at the end of the year and everyone got a trophy. The first few were very exciting. Because I was three. And maybe a few after that later in elementary school, because I didn't do any trophy earning sports again for a while.

I would say that I'm better than the average person at a number of things, most of them involve math or science. However, I have great difficulty telling if complements are real, and I don't think I've actually earned any of the ones I get. It's a recipe for impostor syndrome, an excuse to slack off and if you want to know why people are attracted to jerks, it's because they think the jerks are the honest ones, and they want to impress someone real.

What blows my mind more is that boomers think that the trophy that I received from being dragged to dance classes when I was three makes me think that I, as an adult, am a great person. Um, not particularly.

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The "participation trophy" is an acknowledgement of the fact you spent a year of your life doing something. It has sentimental value, it's something you can take with you to remind you of the past. My desk is covered with such grown up mementos: a rock from the Paria Cayon, a carved box of letters and dried rose petals from an old relationship, glasses and sculptures from various MC balls I've been to, a few bullet casings, pictures, a slingshot, a hat... sentimental items have a lot of power and I think they're essential to a healthy psyche.

This insipid belief that our generation is somehow spoiled or lacks competition because we recieved participation awards is baffling. How stupid do they think we are?

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quote:
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Well in fairness to the man, I think it can be said that 'something they hate about themselves' is hardly mono-gendered in his work.

Well yes, this is an author-tract that OSC follows assiduously in both genders.

But what I mean is this: the female characters have something deeply wrong with them, and they tend to repress it and let it fester for a good long while before doing anything about it. Novina, Petra, Abner Doon's lover, et al. There is also a streak of horrible mothers in the mix: Jason's mom, Link's mom, arguably John Paul's mom (she just ignores his genius), etc. A lot of moms being bat**** crazy and having genius sons.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dogbreath:
So where exactly is this self esteem generation?
I mean, I'm 24, so I'm pretty sure I'm part of the current generation, or within a few years of it. But I've never seen any of this "everyone gets a prize!" mentality.

It may be regional, as well as age based. We didn't keep score in youth basketball, for instance, which aside from being a horribly demotivating approach to sports, never worked anyway, because we just kept score on note-cards at the bench anyway. What were they thinking?

But in many ways, this is just a tired "in my day," complaint from an older person who sees diminishing focus on the aspects of his own youth he finds important. While competitiveness for positions in universities stays in place, there's nothing notable there, when at the same time the idea of putting school children in direct competition with each other goes out of fashion for one reason or another.

That can be as much a sign of the class divide in America at work as anything else: our education system now allows the wealthy to continue prodding their own kids to academic success, while systematically de-emphasizing competitiveness for poorer kids that don't receive the same emphasis in their home life. It's the system recognizing that it is increasingly built to cater to the bespoke needs of the rich, rather than the clamor of the poor and upcoming. Economic mobility decreases, and so does the systematic emphasis on skills kids need to be economical mobile.

That's OSC's generation doing this, by the way. It's conservatives who think they should be solely responsible for the success of their own kids, and damn the ones that rely only on the public education system, and don't deserve the same competitive environment as the wealthy provide for themselves.

This has always, and will always be the way- the things you mark as important to your development in your youth are eroded and replaced by other schema with similar results. Nothing really fundamentally changes about how people operate as human beings.

I think the idea of eliminating negative competitive practices is always "just about," to erode some foundation of basic self-confidence for today's youth. Except if you take the long view, the crusading against competitive practices is just always a reaction to competitiveness having increased to dangerous levels already, and the erosion is just supplanting one form of unfair competition with another that is deemed more appropriate for a new generation.

Being a long-term foreigner really helps me to see this process in action. Older folks here (Czech Republic), for example, decry the lack of competitiveness among the youth for the old-generation priorities of prominent placement in state universities and in long-ago prestigious careers like the agricultural ministry, that are now, in the post-communist era, seen as passe or undesirable, and so have to see their competitive entry requirements diminish in the face of less actual competition. The older generation decries the lack of competitive spirit in government work, the olympics, and other Soviet Bloc priorities.

The fact that at the same time, the most competitive kids are learning at least 3 languages in school (as opposed to the 2 their parents learned), and studying international business and economics on a level their parents never imagined when they were in school, is not seen as relevant to the discussion of why fewer people are pursuing decreasingly desirable government work, or decreasingly prestigious forms of athletic competition in favor of newer and more fashionable ones.

This is akin to the idea that America's youth has grown lazy and fails to dream simply because the vogue of the American Automobile has finally, after a century of total dominance, started to dwindle in the modern imagination as the key to class and success. That kids don't want to get their drivers licenses today will *always* be seen as evidence that they are lazier or less motivated than their parents, rather than a sign that they have a new and unfathomed set of economic and social priorities that don't necessarily involve cars.

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I would like to add that in certain states, they've made it an expensive, time-intensive pain to get limited license as a high schooler, it's almost not worth it.
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millenials are straight up working their hearts out in a rather screwed post-recovery environment, and should be the ones allowed to talk shit to this relatively coddled earlier set of generations, rather than have to deal with a bunch of doughy self-righteous old people as they smirk and castigate them for being too self-absorbed or lazy. oh maaaaaan, we have too much self-esteem, oh maaaaan.

if y'all an old person talking 'down' to millenials, you're harrumphing at a generation that's more intelligent, fights to keep their head above water in an economic environment that you elders would have blanched bitterly about, deal with more competitive life channels, and have a better work ethic overall and are more entrepreneurial. they do harder work for less in a world where living standard landmarks like home ownership have coasted away to become a distant economic improbability for most, inaccessable to the people who are working even longer and harder than their parents did.

and in return they get a bunch of doddering old farts hemming and hewing about how they're spoiled! entitled! lazy! gorged on self esteem! ugh everyone got a trophy.

this article isn't the worst example of it by far, of course, it hardly even registers in the sea of worse stuff dreamed up about Entitled Millenials, it's just another languorous example of the sort of lazy trendpiece conclusions that article writers make about kids these days, what with their webzones and their not getting off my goddamned lawn. Bohrs wrote this comic before OSC wrote his article, but it might as well be considered an apt response to parts of it:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/09/opinion/bors-millenial-comic-strip/index.html?hpt=op_t1

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hmm i put too much thought into that, i really need to remember my commitment to extreeeeeeemely low hanging fruit.

uhh,

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I predict that Blue Orange Games will soon be in every home with children, the way Clue and Sorry! and Careers and Life were when I was a kid.
sure thing dood, check must have cleared

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3-a4qWCtIg

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The thing that surprised me about that article, wasn't that OSC was schilling for a board game company (he does have reasonable taste in board games), but rather he praised the independent game shops that made distribution possible via a cross country road trip and called for government protection lest no independent board game get made ever again.


... it's called kickstarter.

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but the point about monopolistic smooshing of indie competition was salient and with merit overall. like, even if probably board game shops arguably are in the same realm as vinyl music shops in that they cling to the fringeiest of fringe markets
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I don't disagree that if german boardgames can only be found at retail stores that are Barnes and Noble, then that makes it impossible to sell a game to BN on your own.

However, I think independently invented products are able to take off more easily now than ever before thanks to the internet. They can find buyers before the product exists. I actually went to school both the Goldieblox creator AND one of the Cards Against Humanity (not at the same stages of life, obviously). They're very much normal people (I mean, entitled millennials).

Along the same vein, a 26 year old Brazilian at a Mexican marketing firm invented one of the best-selling video games of the past few years as a side project. It hasn't even been finished yet. Still, people buy it.

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yeah this is not exactly what i would call Indie-starved tunes thanks to the little crowdsourcing reassurance
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Meh. I know spoiled, lazy kids and hard working ones. And Gen Xers. And Boomers. Probably you can't pigeonhole a whole generation.
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quote:
Originally posted by scifibum:
Meh. I know spoiled, lazy kids and hard working ones. And Gen Xers. And Boomers. Probably you can't pigeonhole a whole generation.

Yup. My response to claims otherwise by memebers of whatever generational camp is generally to roll my eyes and go about my business.

Which, actually, is fairly standard stereotypical Gen X behavior. :: laugh ::

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quote:
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yeah this is not exactly what i would call Indie-starved tunes thanks to the little crowdsourcing reassurance

But that's my point, with the internet you can get the same end result, and sell enough to eventually get major distribution.

Cards against humanity point-blank refuses to be distributed in the USA by anyone but Amazon. My other friends got their CAH set for free from our mutual creator friend after he brought one of the manufacturer's prototypes to a party for us to try before the game came out. He's still a grad student last I heard, btw-- I have no idea if he gets any money from sales-- my understanding is the money goes back into the product, or say, their recent promotion.

A little web research tells me that I can get the blueOrange game "Spot it" shipped to store at Walmart. So, not starving either.

If you troll BoardGameGeek.com, you can find threads where the creator of Pandemic is asking people for feedback on his game and see prototypes. You can get that game at Target now.

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quote:
Originally posted by scifibum:
Meh. I know spoiled, lazy kids and hard working ones. And Gen Xers. And Boomers. Probably you can't pigeonhole a whole generation.

My generation is the best. Generation after me so lazy and undisciplined! Generation before me so ignorant and stupid. I like read article make point out that other generation do everything wrong. Make me feel better about my own just world fallacy.
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