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I get a lot of nonsense 'political' rants and screeds on my Facebook feed, which I now avoid commenting on because of the low quality of discussion (surprise, surprise) it turns into. So instead, I'll share and comment on them here.
Here's a couple of highlights from today: (Edited for language by me)
quote: Obamacare experience in person. So I'm FORCED to pay at the minimum $150 a month for this terrible plan, that only covers primary care physician, who is not my regular doctor because I didn't get to keep my doctor as promised, and prescription drugs with my copay. Anything else that costs less than $6,000 I have to take care of myself. What a ****ing joke man. To all those who passed the affordable healthcare act **** off. If it was just that the insurance companies couldn't turn you down for preexisting conditions, and created an OPTIONAL insurance policy that was through the government for people who qualify I wouldn't have an issue. But to sit here and force people to buy terrible insurance and then threaten said people with fines if they don't sign up is not just unconstitutional and un-American but it's straight up extortion. Go **** yourself congress, way to line the pockets of these insurance companies even more, cause we all know that's the only real reason this was passed you ****ing snakes. This needs to get amended ASAP. I'm just gonna get insurance through my job in March because this plan I was forced to pay for is absolute bull. This isn't universal healthcare, it's a ****ing scam for politicians to get kickbacks from the insurance companies who funded them. I would like to know each companies lobbyists names, and which politicians they're giving money to please.
While I understand he's frustrated by his experience, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he hasn't done extensive research on what the purpose of the ACA is.
He starts by criticizing the Safe Act by saying it was spurred by emotional fear, and then proceeds to argue against it using an emotional appeal with no facts or rationality breaking down what the Act actually does and why it is not a solution to gun violence. Also, his right is more important than dead children because he fought for it. Let's take a look at what the Act actually says. What right is being taken from him? High-capacity magazines? His right to not report that his gun was stolen? A mental health patient's right to keep his gun after he's made a credible threat of harming others? Are any of those rights more important than preventing people from dying? He then closes by stating that the legislators wouldn't be so quick to pass this law if they had to go through the door first to take a gun from someone who was refusing to give it up. Well, I guess we can strike every law off the book that our legislators aren't willing to personally enforce. That should make for a good criminal justice system.
Also, the Safe Act =/ Obama's Gun Control Plan.
Also, if any of you oppose the right to bear arms, take a look at this, found in the comment sections. That'll show you.
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quote:And I really really really care And I really really really want you And I think I'm kinda scared Cos I don't want to lose you If you really really really care Then maybe you can hang through I hope you understand It's nothing to you My heart's at a low I'm so much to manage I think you should know that I've been damaged
quote: Every time I have faith in mankind again, one of you ****tards come along and ruin all hope!
quote:Fate can be cruel, a minute here, a minute there, and lives can be lost. That is why we should cherish every moment, because fate also gives us moments of impossible grace, ways to connect with others that are almost profound... enough to make us believe that there is someone out there looking out for us. So say what you feel.... because each moment is a gift.
quote:Some people deserve to get punched in the face... with a sledgehammer. ... repetedly.
quote:Baby I'm a nightmare dressed like a daydream...
quote:I'm on the road of least resistance I'd rather give up than give into this So promise me only one thing, would you? Just don't ever make me promises.. No promises, no promises
quote:I care. It freaking terrifies me how much I care.
quote:What's that? You've heard a bunch of bad stories from someone who hates me? That shit must be true!
quote: Anything soft and delicate should have a sharp sort of dangerous edge.....
quote: Thought about it... don't feel like being nice anymore... i will be to others what they show me. A perfect mirror. Some should really be terrified. ...
And to tie it up:
quote: I am so ****ing sick of drama! i wish people who always have drama would just **** off and leave me alone... so stupid!
One day in the life of the resident drama queen amongst my Facebook friends.
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On your first post on the ACA - I totally agree with the guy. I just got health insurance two months ago and I have what's considered a high deductible ($1,300), but compared to that guy's mine is a dream. Plus my company pays half of it in the form of an HSA contribution. In the modern healthcare era I'm basically living the dream.
But you're right, the ACA was never meant to control costs, it was meant to provide coverage. Steven Brill has expanded upon his TIME Magazine expose with a new book I think called "America's Bitter Pill" where he addresses the ACA's passage, its problems, who got rich off of it, and the next set of actions we should take to solve our larger looming problems. The ACA, in many ways, just made sure insurance companies got more customers and hospitals could get paid for services they previously had to eat the costs on. It's no wonder so many in the industry were on board.
The deductible aspect of these new Obamacare plans is, in my opinion, the worst part of it. Industry folks say it keeps costs down and forces consumers to make better choices. But that's bull. Numbers show that the fastest growing segment of the population that's self-rationing care is the middle class, becuase they can't afford to pay the first few grand of their costs out of pocket, so they're refusing to get treatment at all...exactly the sort of thing the ACA was SUPPOSED to stop from happening.
On your first post on the ACA - I totally agree with the guy. I just got health insurance two months ago and I have what's considered a high deductible ($1,300), but compared to that guy's mine is a dream. Plus my company pays half of it in the form of an HSA contribution. In the modern healthcare era I'm basically living the dream.
But you're right, the ACA was never meant to control costs, it was meant to provide coverage. Steven Brill has expanded upon his TIME Magazine expose with a new book I think called "America's Bitter Pill" where he addresses the ACA's passage, its problems, who got rich off of it, and the next set of actions we should take to solve our larger looming problems. The ACA, in many ways, just made sure insurance companies got more customers and hospitals could get paid for services they previously had to eat the costs on. It's no wonder so many in the industry were on board.
The deductible aspect of these new Obamacare plans is, in my opinion, the worst part of it. Industry folks say it keeps costs down and forces consumers to make better choices. But that's bull. Numbers show that the fastest growing segment of the population that's self-rationing care is the middle class, becuase they can't afford to pay the first few grand of their costs out of pocket, so they're refusing to get treatment at all...exactly the sort of thing the ACA was SUPPOSED to stop from happening.
It's a mess.
Well, that was basically my point. I said I understood his frustrations, there are definite issues with it as it stands (there's always going to be a rocky start and things are going to be screwy when trying to overhaul something as complex as a healthcare system) but to say it's purpose is to "line the pockets of these insurance companies even more, cause we all know that's the only real reason this was passed you ****ing snakes" and " it's a ****ing scam for politicians to get kickbacks from the insurance companies who funded them" is showing that he hasn't actually made an attempt to understand its purpose before writing a scathing post on it.
This piece does a good job of hitting some of the actual purposes to ACA and provides more reading to learn what it's supposed to do.
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Dogbreath, I actually feel bad for people like that. I also have a resident drama queen. But it must be very difficult to be that emotionally unstable and not have the intelligence (<- I struggled to think of a more accurate and less insulting word) to understand that these are issues best dealt with close, empathetic family and friends or a trained therapist.
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The deductibles are much too high, but I'm drawing a blank of how you could get out of a major medical issue without breaking it handily. My insurance company paid a solid 14 grand for my appendectomy nearly five years ago.
HIgh deductible plans are meant for people who are young and healthy who really don't think they need major medical care (but they might, see above).
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quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: Dogbreath, I actually feel bad for people like that. I also have a resident drama queen. But it must be very difficult to be that emotionally unstable and not have the intelligence (<- I struggled to think of a more accurate and less insulting word) to understand that these are issues best dealt with close, empathetic family and friends or a trained therapist.
I realize I just debunked the purpose of my own thread, but since it's MY thread I'm drawing the line between people who might actually need professional help and dummies who don't bother doing their homework before spouting off about politics.
I think both sides would argue that the others have not researched their positions well enough.
The proper response to people like this is to decide that they are idiots, and approach everything they post from a perspective of a amusement, or remove them from your feed. And then decide not to invite them to your next dinner party.
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quote:Originally posted by theamazeeaz: The deductibles are much too high, but I'm drawing a blank of how you could get out of a major medical issue without breaking it handily. My insurance company paid a solid 14 grand for my appendectomy nearly five years ago.
HIgh deductible plans are meant for people who are young and healthy who really don't think they need major medical care (but they might, see above).
Maybe that's the intention, but the vast majority of people getting Obamacare plans are getting them regardless of their age or beliefs. It protects people from catastrophic loss, sure, but five or six grand is enough to crush most people living on the edge of financial ruin, or even financial stability.
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I remember the days when social media was used to socialize....
Damn that was a long time ago.
Seems like these days all anyone does is post links to politically charged articles and "what Harry Potter character are you?" quizzes.
They need to stop.... Except for those Thai "feel good" commercials. For some reason I'm ok with those
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If your Facebook feed sucks because it's all dumbs and fossils blasting your feed with imbecilic political garbage and other tripe, either just accept that, or start in following the people who make your feed dumb.
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Yeah nobody gets on your feed without your continued consent so if your feed sucks do something about it.
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I almost never go to my facebook page anymore but I just knew there would be some good drama on it to copy over here. What do I find? Nothing but cat videos and pictures of snow. Kind of disappointing.
I did realize I could start some serious drama. One of my friends (best friend from high school but haven't seen in 20 years) is now a successful horse trainer. Another friend (former coworker with the brightest natural green eyes in the universe) is a big time horse lover and riding instructor who hates absolutely everything about horse racing. Think I should hook those two up? That could start some drama.
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It's not so much that there's something wrong with the articles-- my friends are decent enough curators. It's just that my clicking them tells facebook that I like these particular people more than others and I want articles and not status updates.
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*nods* I've steadfastly refused to look at any click-bait articles for the past year or so in hopes that they will stop popping up on my wall. No dice so far.
As far as un-following: while I have done this with a number of supremely annoying friends (the ones who post 20+ some ee cards a day, or just share stupid memes constantly), a lot of the dumb articles are coming from people I otherwise care about and want to see status updates/pictures from. I wish you could filter that, like maybe a clickbait filter or a poltical news site filter or something. I do enjoy reading articles that friends share that are interesting and informative, especially if they're science and technology related.
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anyone who I have unfollowed I can check up with on events pages or if I am inspired to I can go check their page.
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A college professor was addressing his history class. He began his lecture by saying, “Let’s get one thing straight: God is not real; the only God is Obama and the powerful female clitoris.” One student raised his hand and stood up and said, “Sir, I’m sorry to interrupt, but where I come from we don’t talk bad about God, because he’s our best friend.” The professor then said, “What are you, an idiot? Shut up, idiot. This is college and we hate Christ. Who do you think you are, Christian?” The student responded by picking up his bag, putting on his cowboy hat and punching the teacher in the face. “My name is Sgt. Johnathan Gunderson. And your plan won’t work, Goltar.” Because when the sergeant punched the professor, he punched the mask off of his face, revealing the praying mantis head underneath. “You’ve figured out my evil plan this time, Sgt. Gunderson. But as long as there are aborted fetuses for me to feast upon, I will always be stronger than America!” He then flew away to his lair. Share this status if you want to save America and end abortion.
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If I had stopped following you from earlier junk posts you shared I would have missed out on a gem like that.
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quote:Originally posted by Parkour: A college professor was addressing his history class. He began his lecture by saying, “Let’s get one thing straight: God is not real; the only God is Obama and the powerful female clitoris.” One student raised his hand and stood up and said, “Sir, I’m sorry to interrupt, but where I come from we don’t talk bad about God, because he’s our best friend.” The professor then said, “What are you, an idiot? Shut up, idiot. This is college and we hate Christ. Who do you think you are, Christian?” The student responded by picking up his bag, putting on his cowboy hat and punching the teacher in the face. “My name is Sgt. Johnathan Gunderson. And your plan won’t work, Goltar.” Because when the sergeant punched the professor, he punched the mask off of his face, revealing the praying mantis head underneath. “You’ve figured out my evil plan this time, Sgt. Gunderson. But as long as there are aborted fetuses for me to feast upon, I will always be stronger than America!” He then flew away to his lair. Share this status if you want to save America and end abortion.
I've seen almost every possible variant of the "example" section of this page, but attributed to different people rather than just Einstein.
One of the Einstein ones was especially egregious, since it had Einstein as a devout Christian who preached the gospel of Christ after humiliating the professor. It was very widely shared.
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You missed the part where the college professor dares the marine to prove that God exists, while he performs an abortion.
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quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: "Thai 'feel good' commercials" ???
Is that a euphemism for porn?
hahaha hardly.
It is some sort of initiative that companies in Thailand are doing.
One has a kid that steals some medicine for his sick mother, and the owner of a soup kitchen pays for it and gives the kid a bag of soup.
Years later, the owner of the soup kitchen gets very sick and his hospital bills are sky high. His daughter gets an invoice one morning and it says "Paid in full 20 years ago with medicine and a bag of soup." Turns out the doctor was the same kid the owner of the soup kitchen had helped out.
They are usually a few minutes long, and there is a whole series of them. They usually have a tagline like "Be kind to each other" or something like that. You can find them on youtube, and they are all subtitled.
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I think Jon Stewart missed a beat on this one. He tried to focus on the double standard aspect of Huckabee's stance instead of the absurdity of it. When Huckabee tried to use the good ol' boys in the pickup coming to fix your car example I would've agreed with him because that's an issue they're likely more knowledgeable about than an MBA student. The issue comes when those good ol' boys want to talk about science or economic policy and expect their opinions to hold the same weight as scientists or economic experts.
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IME, it's not outside the realm of possibility for one of those good ol' boys to be a scientist or economist. In the beginning of this month I attended a week long online certification course run by a man who could only be described as redneck - he goes fishing, hunting, and shooting and lives out in a little house in the woods with his pickup truck. He also runs his own cyber security firm and is extremely well educated and intelligent.
Myself growing up firmly part of "Bubba Ville" until I was in high school, I can sympathize with Huckabee's POV here. Both in the condescending way city folks sometimes treat people from the country whose fashion, activities, and lifestyle are different than theirs, and also seeing a sort of reversal when I joined the military: a lot of people who grew up their whole lives in the city are laughably incompetent at a lot of basic tasks.
Jon's "I want AAA" comment sort of reveals an assumption on his part that a lot of city people have - that there's always someone else out there to fix things, and that assumption comes from a place of economic privilege.
Growing up if one of the cars broke down, my dad and I would spend all weekend working on it until it started running again. We built 2 rooms in our house, did all the electrical and plumbing, landscaped the yard, and laid a new cement walkway. And in the process he taught me a lot of basic life skills - how to fix a car, how electricity works, construction, landscaping, cooking, cleaning, laundry, camping, hunting, fishing, etc. But we also lived that way out of necessity. We couldn't afford to call a plumber, we couldn't afford to take the car to a mechanic, we couldn't afford to hire contractors or landscapers, we couldn't afford to hire an electrician, we couldn't afford to buy meat at market prices so we hunted and kept the meat in our deep freezer all year, and so on.
So there definitely is a class divide there as well, and it can be immensely frustrating to watch rich people laugh at the way poor people live - a very "let them eat cake" moment.
OTOH, I haven't read Huckabee's book, but I'm fairly sure (just from that interview) he tries to put a moral and political spin on the issue, which isn't really fitting. But he is right that there is a big difference between the two cultures, and a lot of ignorance on both sides.
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quote: IME, it's not outside the realm of possibility for one of those good ol' boys to be a scientist or economist. In the beginning of this month I attended a week long online certification course run by a man who could only be described as redneck - he goes fishing, hunting, and shooting and lives out in a little house in the woods with his pickup truck. He also runs his own cyber security firm and is extremely well educated and intelligent.
Key words being 'extremely well educated'. But Huckabee's comments about Harvard faculty makes it seem like he looks down on being well educated.
I think people in 'Bubbleville' do respect people that are professionals at jobs that they have no skills in - electricians, plumbers, etc. - and wouldn't tell them how to do their jobs. It's when the people in Bubbaville start denying facts like global warming and look down on scientific research like it's just liberal tricks that the people on the coast might start coming off as condescending when trying to explain that they have no idea what they're talking about.
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Yeah, what I'm saying is there are probably more environmental scientists from/in "bubbaville" than you think. I definitely agree that Huckabee's disdain for education is pretty stupid.
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Seen a lot of arguments about vaccinations going on Facebook. Most of the anti-vaxxers saying things like "why should I pump my child full of *chemicals* when the vaccines don't even work anyway?" This article is the first time I realized how wide spread the movement had become, and how much damage it's caused. At this point I'm starting to think mandatory vaccination laws are in order, since the alternative is so potentially devastating.
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I've been exposed to more anti-vaccine articles/POVs than any person should ever have to suffer through. I'm starting to realize that a lot of it isn't caused by a lack of intelligence or rational thinking or misinformation, it's caused by a contrarian disposition and a incurable case of confirmation bias. Their reasons for being anti-vaccine will evolve endlessly as each of their previous reasons are debunked because it's in their nature to distrust the establishment and, as far as I can tell, it's impossible to change their minds.
When the vaccine-autism link was debunked, it became vaccines don't work because fully-vaccinated kids still got measles. When their high degree of reliability of preventing measles was shown through data, it became that they might prevent the disease but the side effects of some vaccines can have the same adverse effects as the disease itself. When the chances of having those adverse effects from the vaccine was shown to be significantly less than from the disease...etc.
There's an endless amount of arguments one can use against vaccines if you are determined to discredit their effectiveness in modern medicine. If I weren't personally invested in this issue for the health of my nephew, I would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.
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Also, the vaccine-autism link will never fully die because nothing will ever refute the anecdotal evidence of parents who vaccinated their healthy child who, the very next day (hour? minute?), became autistic. That's the trump card that will always be used over any amount of scientific data that anyways was probably paid for by big pharm or will just change in ten years like every medication does when big science says it's good for you and then pulls it off the market when it starts causing cancer.
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I vaccinate my best healthiest child's with obamacare vaccine, then one year later they are diagnose with SOCIALISM. coincident??? I think not. End Kenya rule of our children's. Ron Paul 2015
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What were the symptoms? Did he start sharing his toys with less fortunate children in his class?
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Of course not. Socialists don't share their own toys; they demand that everyone who has toys share with them.Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
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quote:“Pornography is the theory,” renowned feminist Robin Morgan once wrote, “rape is the practice.”
Posted and argued for by a woman I know who quite earnestly believes that porn turns innocent, pure men into rapists/child molesters.
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So, you know how pretty much all TERFs lament about how feminism has lost its way and is totally wrong now because it dared to evolve away from second wave transphobia? That's always a super awesome thing to remember.
These anti-porn people are no different. Sex positive feminism won, essentially, and feminism moved on from the faction of anti-porn feminists that tried to claim that they are 'protecting' women by regulating their sexual agency just as harshly as sternly patriarchal conservatives concerned about their ~purity~ would do. Let's protect women by telling them that their desire to perform in any sort of sexual work is wrong, immoral, and invalid. Feminism is best served by telling women what they can't do, right?
So they sit in their increasingly isolated (USUALLY ALSO TRANS-EXCLUSIONARY WHAT A SURPRISE RIGHT) enclaves and write stuff like this stunningly useless gender-deterministic pseudopsych, all while trying to ignore that most of it is written at the behest of large, conservative, patriarchal, supremely anti-feminist organizations, and with increasing frequency they don't even bother to let a woman write it at all.
Yes, I can't wait for a large church run by old white men that tries to keep people from being allowed to masturbate ever or have sex outside marriage and which believes that women are essentially property who are given away to the dominion of another man (and really seriously try to sort of maybe keep from having to admit so openly that yes this is exactly what the doctrine says sorry) and that all gay sex or trans* state is totally wrong and bad is going to tell us about the moral scourge of porn.
tell me more about who's really looking out for women, mr jonathan von whatever of LifeSiteNews
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It is true that porn is damaging in some contexts. (I don't even need to qualify what kind of porn, because in the right circumstances, any kind can be bad for some people.)
It's also true that some porn is just bad, no matter who is involved.
So yeah. For some people, it's bad. For some porn, it's bad.
But when/why/how? That's the interesting and important part.
The guy who wrote that article seems to have no concern with how porn affects different people in different ways, and examining what those differences are and why they might exist. I'm not sure if his expert witness is concerned with such details, but she doesn't appear to be, based on how her opinions were framed.
This is the same kind of overwrought attitude that brings us the War On Drugs and highly overpopulated prisons.
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Well, there's a critical difference — you're never going to see a War on Porn really seriously take flight if there's no way for private corporate interests to make super mega bank off of it like some do today off the war on drugs with their privatized for-profit prisons
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Oh, indeed. But some of the same dynamics are in play, like the problem of rational warnings and cautions getting lost in the wind of YOU'LL TURN INTO A RAPIST.
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what, though, are the rational warnings and cautions? most have turned out to be wildly speculative pop psych pushed mostly on the power of agenda.
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It can and usually does objectify participants and misrepresent their preferences.
It usually fails to represent the range of human sexuality accurately but it's also wrong to assume that what you see is wrong for everyone. Basically, people are individuals, most of whom don't want to be sex toys, and you won't learn that from (most) porn.
You can develop compulsive habits which become part of destructive patterns of behavior. If this happens you need to seek some help.
Participants may be victims of trafficking or other forms of exploitation, and ethical consumption takes more effort than passive consumption.
Taking the wrong lessons from porn or developing worrisome habits may be more likely if there is a lot of exposure at young ages; this is best avoided.
quote:Originally posted by scifibum: Don't assume it represents good sex.
It can and usually does objectify participants and misrepresent their preferences.
It usually fails to represent the range of human sexuality accurately but it's also wrong to assume that what you see is wrong for everyone. Basically, people are individuals, most of whom don't want to be sex toys, and you won't learn that from (most) porn.
You can develop compulsive habits which become part of destructive patterns of behavior. If this happens you need to seek some help.
Participants may be victims of trafficking or other forms of exploitation, and ethical consumption takes more effort than passive consumption.
Taking the wrong lessons from porn or developing worrisome habits may be more likely if there is a lot of exposure at young ages; this is best avoided.
etc.
The fact that the women in your life don't react to you like the women in porn react to men in porn doesn't mean that you're missing out on something that most other men have making you part of an oppressed minority.
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Do you feel that that's an issue that is caused/exacerbated by pornography or that a (surprisingly small and on it's way out) percentage of porn presents situations like that due existing in a culture that encourages it?
Not that I'm particularly interested in defending porn, but I would say I've seen far, far more of that sort of entitlement complex in sitcoms and movies (where the dorky, ordinary guy always wins the heart of the supermodel girl by just being *nice*, thus justifying any troublesome or creepy possessiveness or manipulation on his part) than in porn. And also that (hopefully most) men realize the "naughty secretary" or whatever character in porn is laughably, obviously fake, whereas quite a few of them think that relationships ought to play out like they do in the movies. (As do a lot of women, actually) But I'm somewhat more inclined to view all of this as more of a symptom than a cause.
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The good news is almost everyone bashed it in the comments. The bad news is they were really terrible pro-vaccine defenses and mostly consisted of hurling personal insults without much convincing done.
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quote:You want to spice up your marriage? You want to save your relationship from being stagnant, or save the passion from slipping away in the day in and day out expectations of you and your husband? Don’t ask Christian Grey for help. Don’t watch Christian Grey do whatever he would like to Anastasia Steele and expect it to heal that deep hurt and need for intimacy in your own heart.
Only Jesus can do that. Only Jesus can speak to the places in our hearts that need to feel alive and loved again.
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