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cvgurau
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...require quick replies.

Would it be faux pas to submit a short story to both magazines and a writing contest?

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At the same time? Almost certainly.

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The only real exception I could see would be if the contest does not offer publication.

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simultaneous submit rules even apply to contests, I would think. Unless, as Eric suggested, the contest doesn't offer publication, but I don't know any that don't go that step.

I've only found two places that accept simultaneous submits. I was shocked, to be honest, as I read their requirements. When I saw the first one I laughed and thought, "Well that's safe, no one else allows simultaneous submits so you can't simultaneous submit to them by default." But then I found one other. So now I have exactly one story at two places.


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Yep. Faux pas. Bad.

Which markets are those, Christine? I don't even pay attention to which places allow simultaneous subs at this point...


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cvgurau
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Wow. That was quick.

Okay, how 'bout this. I enter the story in the contest. I lose (pessimistic, but realistic). Then I start submitting it to various mags.

'S'okay?

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Christine
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It better be or I'm in big trouble myself right now.
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Christine
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Sorry, Mary, forgot your question....

Zoetrope: All Story

and

Borderlands....this is an anthology, not a magazine.

They both exist on http://engine.freeshell.org/ which is where I found them.


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The Utah Original Writing Competition ( http://arts.utah.gov/literature/comprules.html ) does not publish the winning short stories. Winners retain all rights to their stories. And, since publication in other than book form does not make a story ineligible for the contest, I don't see any reason why one couldn't submit to both the competition and a magazine.

Of course, the author must be a Utah resident in order to be eligible. But I'm sure there must be similar competitions elsewhere.


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There are numerous regional contests in the UK that are similar; generally you get a write-up in a local newspaper, a small prize, and then forgotten about.


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Of course, each contest is different, but the rules in the Writer's Digest Writing Competition state: "Your entry must be original, unpublished, unproduced and not accepted by any other publisher or producer at the time of submission. Writer's Digest retains one-time publication rights to the [top wining entries] to be published in a [WD] publication."


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Wait...okay, I get it. I was sort of wondering what possible motive you could have for submitting to a contest that doesn't publish your work. But government funded literature sponsorship doesn't have to make much sense, eh?
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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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If the contest offers publication that uses different rights from what a magazine uses (periodical rights), then you are safe sending the same story to the contest and to a magazine.

I believe Writers of the Future uses periodical rights, even though they are publishing an anthology (so you'd think they used anthology rights). At least, they did when I had a story published in volume 9.


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With a very last minute submission into the Writer's Digest Writing Competition (postmark deadline is today, so it went out Saturday one hour before the post office closed. Yeah, I know I could have emailed it, but I feel safer this way. ), I did email them with a few questions.

With this particular contest, as far as waiting to submit elsewhere or not, Kathleen is on the money. WD rules state as I mentioned in my above post on this thread that entries must be unpublished "at the time of submission." (I had noticed in some of WD's other contests in previous issues that the rules were to wait till contest winners were announced.)

Their reply: "You may submit your work elsewhere but if it happens to be selected for publication by the other party and Writer's Digest you'll have to work out an agreement between all parties with respect to certain issues such as who get first rights, ect."

Interesting, while I was asking about the above question, I threw in a couple others:

Q: Does online posting of 13 lines in a writer's critique group count as previously published to disqualify an entry?
A: "Posting on a website is considered published."

Q: If a writer uses a pen name, would he be correct in assuming normal manuscript format, i.e., legal name with required information top left, pen name below story title?
A: "If you are using a pen name, put both your legal name and pen name on the manuscript and the entry form as follows": Real Name writing as Pen Name.

[This message has been edited by Kolona (edited May 31, 2004).]


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quote:
Q: Does online posting of 13 lines in a writer's critique group count as previously published to disqualify an entry?
A: "Posting on a website is considered published."

Every time I have a question that I need to ask some on-line "help" system, I get a sort of standard response that clearly indicates they didn't read the question. This sounds like the same thing. Notice that they don't say: "Yes, even 13 lines is enough to disqualify the entry." They just make the general claim about on-line publishing that everybody already knows.

Now, maybe they really meant it in this case. I have my doubts, but I suppose it's possible. In that case, it's also ridiculous. The solution is not to tell them. They'll never find out on their own.

[This message has been edited by rickfisher (edited May 31, 2004).]


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You've probably edited those first thirteen lines to the abyss anyway. And if not...why were you fishing in Frag and Feed?
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