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UnheardOf
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[I haven't written much of anything for years. This is the opening for a fantasy novel. It's my husband's book; I'm just writing it. I know this piece has problems and you folks seem to be really good at pointing out specifics, so please have at it. I never considered myself very good, and now I'm rusty to boot. Nevertheless, being older and, hopefully, wiser, I believe I can "learn new tricks" and produce something worth reading...eventually.]

Sephrium gazed over the bow of the windship as the earth below pulled gently away. Briefly, as the trees, homes and hills grew smaller, so did the troubles which had so recently overwhelmed him. Perhaps there was healing in the air? Yet, being aloft, he could not help recalling the thrill of riding with Alorhcon, his mage-father, on the great dragon, Zarhren, as it wheeled and glided through the skies above Tholin El. The pang of their loss shot through him like an arrow.
“You’ve ridden the wind before, I see,” said K’Har, interrupting his thoughts and his pain. Sephrium merely nodded and remained silent in his contemplation.
The windmerchant turned from him to address Perdan, “And you clearly have not!”
No longer glib and self-assured, the jacq sat huddled against the outside of the master cabin, his eyes alit with terror, his pallor decidedly green. With mixed amusement and pity, K’Har pulled the smaller man up to his feet.
“Come inside then, my brave magician. My home is most comfortable and if you do not look outside, you will swear you are in the best room of the finest inn of all Norin!” Perdan looked at him blankly, but

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I have a question about whether you're starting in the right place--but let me assume for now that you are, and come back to that later.

The biggest problem with this excerpt is the first paragraph. You're trying to cram too much into too small a space. Depending on where this is headed, you either need to leave out some of your clues, or give more time to them. For example, do we really need to know his mage-father's name, or the dragon's? And what about Tholin El? Is that the guy who stayed behind, or is it the name of the planet? If the former, do we need to know his name? If the latter, why not just call it earth (no caps), as you do in the first line? If these things are really important, then elaborate on them, don't give us just enough information to let us know that we're lost. Otherwise, chop them out.

The term "jacq" actually fits in with the above comments, though if it were the only such term in here it would probably be acceptable, provided it got explained soon.

OK. Now for your starting point. There's not enough here for me to be sure, but it feels as though you're starting where you are for the purpose of filling us in on the significant backstory. If that's the case, it's a mistake. You want to start just before your POV character gets involved with whatever is driving the story. (Take a look at OSC's discussion of the MICE quotient in Characters & Viewpoint for a more detailed discussion of that.) If that event or conflict is just about to occur, then your point of departure here is probably fine. But if you're going to need a flashback to fill us in on that first paragraph, or if we're going to sail on the windship for a while and pick up some background on this world, then you should pick a different starting point.

On a more positive note: although there are other, more picky suggestions I could make, after the first paragraph I find it quite easy to read. Grammar is fine. The characters appear interesting. I would continue reading this if I got past the first paragraph. In fact, I will continue reading it if you want to send me the 1st chapter (if it's ready).


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Yeah, too many names up front. And the milieu is a bit confusing, dragons and windships and mages, oh my.

For all of that, it reads fairly well. Your prose is good, the dialogue feels fantasyish without being hokey or contrived.

I think that we need to get a better feel for Sephrium's relationship to his immediate environment before you start introducing a lot of things that we won't understand. First off, maybe a little better picture of the windship. Is it magically levitated, winged, dirigible, or what? The reminiscence about riding a dragon would be inappropriate if the windship doesn't move quite fast. Or you could put in a more concrete comparative, say specifically how one is different from the other.

Lose "Alorhcon" and "mage-", we can learn that later, and "father" should be unique enough for now (knowing that he took his son to ride a dragon also gives us a fair amount of information). Definitely lose "Zarhren", we don't need the dragon's name right now. "Tholin El" should be supported or supplanted by a simple description of what it is (his home city, his country, etc).

"K'Har" is okay, since he's there and you specify that he's a windmerchant (presumably meaning he's in charge of the vessel). Perdan needs to be better introduced, though. The term "jacq" doesn't mean anything to us yet. He sort of pops out of nowhere...not sure how best to fix that. Perhaps you should have him actively enter the scene...do something rather than simply appear when noticed.

Anyway, how much of this do you need critiqued?


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Ah! Okay, this is great! (Ya, little mind readers, you!) As you picked up immediately, I wasn't sure where to start this thing. I probably crammed in more info because I am more used to writing short stories.
The problem with starting right before the big "to-do" that starts this story ball rolling is that it is a battle scene of sorts. I don't like battles. I mostly just tolerated them in Lord of the Rings because they were essential to the story. But I think you are both right, starting after the event I will have to do expository flash backs. So I may as well begin there in the first place. Ugh.

Thank you very much!


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I love battles, at every level.
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Well, it's a type of battle. Sort of. I think of it that way. It's really a massacre with undead-ish assailants, all full of magic "weapons" against magic beings (mages and their dragons). Bleech.
Of course the first 13 wouldn't have the massacre in it. That brings me to the problem of Sephrium and the little snot that he is before all of this happens. He doesn't know he's an arrogant twit, but he is. I'm not sure how to enlist the reader's interest in him. There's not much to like about him, yet.

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Hmm. You haven't convinced me that the "battle" is the right place to start, either. It might be. I figure this is basically an event type story (if it's character, then Sephrium's character change should probably occur near the end rather than the beginning). I'm going to assume that the essential conflict has to do with the undead-ish guys, and that they'll be a problem throughout the book. If that's so, and Sephrium was involved with the battle, then maybe it is the right starting place. But then why is he still alive? If his father and others were massacred, then the place to start is when Sephrium finds out about it. You wouldn't have to write the battle at all that way. (Sorry, Survivor. But keep in mind that if she doesn't like battles, she's less likely to write a good one.)

Of course, I'm writing all this on speculation based on scanty evidence. If my assumptions are off, just ignore this post. (On the other hand, if I'm right, you must do exactly as I say. )

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Rick--yes, those undeadish guys are the major conflict. At least, they are the major physical conflict. The massacre occurs at Sephriums bonding ceremony which unites the mage and his dragon mentally and magically, making them both nearly invincible (they do die of old age eventually). So ya know these undeadish guys have some pretty serious magic to take them out.

He should have died like the rest, he was presumed to have (by the bad guys) but because the magic was in force, although the bond was not complete, between himself and his dragon, he did not. But his dragon did. Sort of. It's more detailed than I'm relating here, but the dragon and the main character are merged physically (and no, the hero does not grow wings, but let's say he is rather impressive looking).

That's really where his story starts. There is, however, and older story more general to the world of Norin. I've toyed with the idea of starting the deeper story in a prologue.

There's really a lot to this book and I think that's one of the reasons it is so difficult to know where to start. The reader doesn't have to know everything--that would be an encyclopedia--but what to tell them and when presents a challenge.

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Okay, then. Try starting with the bonding ceremony. That is the major element in Sephrium's character...not telling us about it up front is a cheat.
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<<hangs head in shame>>

Okay, I'll have to pick the creator's brain about the ceremony and intervening bloodbath (well, I think he got rid of most of the blood, it's more of a deathfest).

Thank you for your comments and suggestions.


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By the way, what is "Meh"? The title? Or just your state of mind when you started this thread? (And, either way, what are the chances of someone picking up a book with that title?)
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I take it you're not an especially big Simpsons buff, then ...?
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Hi! I'll post my comments in brackets as they come to me.

Sephrium gazed over the bow of the windship as the earth below [delete 'below'] pulled gently away. Briefly, as the trees, homes and hills grew smaller, so did the troubles which had so recently overwhelmed him. [Why 'briefly'?. Also, 'as the trees' is probably not needed. Thus -- 'The homes and hills grew smaller as did the troubles that had so recently overwhelmed him.']Perhaps there was healing in the air? Yet, being aloft, he could not help recalling the thrill of riding with Alorhcon, his mage-father, on the great dragon, Zarhren, as it wheeled and glided through the skies above Tholin El. The pang of their loss shot through him like an arrow. [I thought is was dissapating? If this is a reoccurance, I would emphasize as such.]
“You’ve ridden the wind before, I see,” said K’Har, interrupting his thoughts and his pain. Sephrium merely nodded and remained silent in his contemplation.
The windmerchant turned from him to address Perdan, “And you clearly have not!”
No longer glib and self-assured, the jacq sat huddled against the outside of the master cabin, his eyes alit with terror, his pallor decidedly green. With mixed amusement and pity, K’Har pulled the smaller man up to his feet.
“Come inside then, my brave magician. My home is most comfortable and if you do not look outside, you will swear you are in the best room of the finest inn of all Norin!” Perdan looked at him blankly, but

[Overall I thought it had some interesting parts. With corrections I would I have kept reading.]


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Rick-- State of mind. Yes, I think it would be an awful title. Fortunately, the title has been chosen for a couple of decades now.

Alias-- If that was for me, I love the Simpsons. My mind snacks-out on that satire!

jabbiati-- Thank you. While this piece won't be the beginning (anymore), it may or may not be in the book. The particular thing you pointed out was something I was wondering about as to whether it was clear. The idea was that as the windship lifted off, Sephrium felt kind of "above" his troubles, but then as they flew he remembered riding the dragon with his grandfather, both of whom had recently died and it brought everything back to him. Obviously this wasn't clear, so if I do include this I will change it, along with addressing the weakness brought up here by others.


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