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djvdakota
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OK. This is a new short I'm working on. (1400 words or so) It's kind of a make-you-think psychological moral tale. Worth pursuing?

Yeah, and I suppose it would be helpful to actually include it (hence the update).


We watched the paramedics load the old man into the ambulance from between the slats of our Venetian blinds. All of us. We had dropped our hoses and spades and trimmers and retreated inside where we could watch her the way she watched us. A hose gushed unattended next door. A flowerbed across the street gaped open with a bare-root rose bush balanced on the edge of a hole, waiting to be tipped in.

The ambulance drove away without siren, without lights. We all knew what that meant. It meant she was alone now.

She didn’t even watch the ambulance out of sight. She stood there in her driveway looking from house to house, looking at us.

And she saw us. Every one of us. We knew she did. Because that was part of it. We had gone inside and peeked through the blinds, opening little triangles in them like upside down jack o’ lantern eyes. We wanted her to know we were there. We wanted her to know we were watching. We wanted her to know we didn’t care


UPDATE: I had a couple of hours of flow! I finished the story (first draft anyway) if anyone wants to pick it apart.

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Monolith
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The opening has me wondering a few things:
1. Who's on the gurney?
2. Why is everyone going inside?
3. Why are they treating this lady like she
treated them?
4. How did the person die?

Those are just a few things that came to my mind. I know I haven't posted anything on this thread ( yet, working on it ) but isn't it open to comments from everyone?

I have a question in addition to the ones above: Where's the rest of this great hook?

Bryan


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Good possibilities here, but name the 'her.' Obviously, everyone in the scene knows who she is. We should, too.
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Besides not knowing who "her" is, the only problem I caught here was that "making a spreading stain of wet" sentence. I like the imagery, but "stain of wet" sounds wrong to me. "Wet stain", maybe?

CVG

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Christine
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Echo name her.

This is a very strange thing to do....drop what you are doing outside to go inside and watch outside through the blinds. I feel like I need a better understanding of why that's being done....if not now than very very soon. I would also like to know who was on the ambulance and how she died....all of these details that are POV character knows and is hiding from us.


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Scott R
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I like the creepiness of the piece, the mix of normalcy (suburb, gardening, garden hoses, etc) with the weird behavior of everyone in the story.

I thought that 'she' was on the gurney.

The imagery at the end of the first paragraph was a bit heavy. Why would your narrator use such language? In a third-person tale, it might be permissable, but in first person, it distances us from the narrator.

Then again, by the time you get to the imagery, you've already slipped into the. . . um, can't think of the word. 'Group' POV, I guess, using 'we' to tell the story instead of your initial 'I.' This could be a problem unless you can justify how your narrator knows what everyone else on the street is thinking.

You make your jack-o-lantern eyes with the point of the triangle pointing up? Boy, takes all kinds. . .


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djvdakota
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It sounds, so far, like I'm making just the impression I wanted with this.

Monolith, I'm pleased that you have so many questions. That means you're hooked and want to read more. Mind if I send it on to you for a critique when I'm done?

Thanks cvgurau. Taken into consideration and changed per your suggestion.

As for the name of SHE, I'm actually leaning toward a nameless piece. I've already taken out the two names that appear in the post. Would it be just too wierd or bothersome to have NO names? Would it, as I'm hoping, add to the creepiness if it were just 'she' and 'we?'
And as far as the POV Christine, I can see your point about the POV character hiding things she knows. It will all come, it's just a matter of putting the details in a good order--and no, I'm not going to keep the secrets until the final moment of revelation. The moment of revelation will be the end, chronologically, of the story. The details of the past will be unwound along the way--in fact in the first few paragraphs after the hook.

That said, do you think I should work the hook into it's proper chronological place? Or does it work so well as a hook that you would forgive my going back in time in the next paragraph?

And Scott, I agree about the POV. I've edited and removed the 'I' POV and have switched exclusively to a 'we.'I'm going for a group pshychy (SP?) here--us against her. Too off the wall? The creepy thing is that this story is inspired by very real events and there exists in the real-world story a very strong 'we vs. she' mentality. I wanted to emphasize that. And your point about the jack-o-lantern eyes--when I pull my blinds open to peak out I usually pull down, making a point down triangle, which would generally be an upside down jack-o-lantern eye. You mean, you pull the slats up when you peak out through your blinds? It takes all kinds.

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Monolith
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Dakota that would be fine and as soon as I get to rearranging my story into the right order, I'll post the first 13 lines so everyone can pick it apart, uh, I mean, comment on it. I like the creepiness of the opening as well.


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Monolith
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Ok, I have read the whole (?) thing. But I feel like something is missing from the story.

Now there was a few "That's why" but was that to get a point across? That bugged me.

Now, I'm only guessing here, but this old lady, is she one of those spinster types that grates on everyone's nerves? I think that they were picking up her personality and were begining to like her and didn't want her to leave. Is that a fair assesment?

Now as for me liking it or disliking, I was a little disappointed that it ended like it did, and I think that if you continued it, I think that the reader would like the old lady too. The whole story kinda went downhill for me as if you hurried through it a little, but the begining definitly had me hooked. But I think if you went over it again and made a few corrections I think that it would turn out on a more even keel.
It ended too fast for me.

Is that critical enough for ya?
Let me know


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Scott R
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No, I mean that when I make a jack-o'-lantern, his eyes are pointed up.


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If you want to do the nameless piece, go ahead and do the wordless thing too. That's the logical extension of the concept, after all.
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Jules
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Nameless can work, but there has to be a very good reason for it, IMO. Like, the POV character naturally wouldn't think in terms of names (e.g. from an alien culture that doesn't use them [much/at all]) -- and that would get confusing pretty quickly if there were more than 2 or 3 characters!

I'm not sure what your reason for not naming this character is -- perhaps to emphasise her isolation from the rest of the characters? Perhaps using a title for her would work as well, with less chance of confusion?


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djvdakota
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Ouch, Survivor. Can you specify, please, why you object so strongly?
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Eric Sherman
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Becuase all it will do is make it harder for the reader to identify with the people in the story. It will also make the piece seem as if it is done by a novice writer, an impression you never want to give.

I'd focus more on making the story work well, and less on little gimmicks.

I hope that didn't come across as harsh. I have the best intentions, I promise.


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Scott R
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If it's a short piece, there should be no problem with the narrator being a group.


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djvdakota
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Definitely not too harsh, Eric. I have a thick skin for this sort of thing.

I think my biggest problem is that I may be too close to the situation the story reflects. And maybe the reason I'm distancing the reader from the characters is some sort of protective instinct. There is no one in this story I want the reader to identify with because no one should have to be able to identify with this kind of evil.

But if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. At least it was therapeutic.


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Perhaps the story has morphed since the last post, but I thought it worth mentioning that I thought the "she" in the 3rd sentence was refering back to the "old man" in the first and this was confusing to me. I didn't mind so much that you didn't name her, but perhaps introduce her in a different way?

I like the creepiness too.


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I'm actually okay with no names. It's something that I've seen Ray Bradbury do, and, for me, it makes a story into an everyman tale.
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