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Tess
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Looking for opinions on the first 13 lines, not readers.

I'm learning first hand how difficult it is to start a story. Some of you have read an attempt or two I've made at a first chapter. I've since changed everything. At this point I just want to know if I'm off to a reasonable start yet. Any and all comments would help. Thank you in advance.


Liz Wilston, trailing her mother through the city, lost her stride and stepped on a sidewalk crack by accident. She knew the saying, ‘step on a crack, break your mother’s back,’ but she couldn’t help it. Her father and older brother Brian walked behind her, and if they noticed an obvious break in her stride they would laugh. Liz disliked the family’s tendency to look down on her as the baby of the family. Also, the slip of paper in her back pocket had distracted her.

The message from her fortune cookie after lunch in Chinatown was an odd one. She knew not to take stock in things like fortunes and horoscopes—the wording they used said things so vaguely that anybody who wanted to could find meaning in it, but that didn’t matter. Liz reached into her pocket, and hoping that luck would take her side this time and provide a glimpse into her future, she pulled out the message.

It read The world of entertainment will provide you with an opportunity for greatness.

Liz nearly tripped on her mother's heels as she came to a stop at the street corner.


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Opinions, eh? Those we can do, and we have plenty of them.

I'm probably not the best to offer opinion on a YA piece, so apologies for that. However, I don't see anything particular that makes me want to read further. The writing is fine, it's just the setting.

Yet, I do think the first sentence would flow better if re-ordered slightly:

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Liz Wilston, trailing her mother through the city, lost her stride and stepped on a sidewalk crack by accident.

Perhaps: "Trailing her mother through the city, Liz Wilston accidentally broke her stride and stepped on a crack on the sidewalk."

That flows better in my opinion.

The end of the paragraph just strikes me is a bit out of place or coming way too late as a distraction for that results in stepping on the crack.

Hope this helps. Again, I'm not much for YA, so... take it for what it's worth -- probably little in this instance.

good luck,

HSO

[This message has been edited by HSO (edited February 15, 2005).]


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Christine
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Is this YA? It reads that way, but I didn't se a note indicated if it was.

I'm not sure it matters at this point. Whether YA or adult, I'm afraid I'm not finding much in here that tempts me.

"Liz Wilston, trailing her mother through the city, lost her stride and stepped on a sidewalk crack by accident."

Right here, the very first sentence, trips me up more than it tripped Liz. I'm not sure why, but I think it's the sentence structure. For some reason, simple sentence structure work best for sentence number one. They need to be snappy and grabby. Something like "Liz Wilston lost her stride and accidentally stepped on a sidewalk crack." No frills, nothing about her mother needed yet, just the plain facts.

You follow up with family details that are told rather than shown, and thus lack power. If her brother and father had noticed and actually laughed at her, that might work better. Then we can see her realtime reaction to their poking fun at her.

Then there is lead-up to a fortunate cookie message. This is the part that really lost me, I think. It felt like a tease, but not one that meant much to me. I've read hundreds of fortuntes in fortune cookies and until they actually start coming true it's not a hook.

I just read over HSO's comments and pretty much agree with everything he says. Wow, I wish I didn't hvae to be so negative here. There's nothing wrong with the way you write at all, it's just not an opening that draws me in.


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Your character seems somewhat inconsistent to me. She would have to be fairly young to believe in the stepping on cracks to break your mother's back bit. I'm picturing maybe seven or eight years old (at most). But then you write:

"She knew not to take stock in things like fortunes and horoscopes—the wording they used said things so vaguely that anybody who wanted to could find meaning in it, but that didn’t matter."

So, she has the insight not to believe in fortune cookies, and yet, she struggles with not stepping on cracks?

Also, your fortune cookie message doesn't really sound like like a fortune cookie message. (But maybe that's the point)


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Thanks for pointers so far, all well made. The double use of the word “family” in a sentence is driving me crazy right now, but that will probably evaporate on the next revision. “Negative” comments, by the way, are the best type. I know I’m struggling with this. I need to figure out how to fix it.

I keep looking for threads, articles, books, anything that can clue me in to the elements of a good beginning. And I'm not talking about general "how to" advice. I need specifics that make sense.

[This message has been edited by Tess (edited February 15, 2005).]


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Christine
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Beginning a story is tough. The first mistake people make is not in approach but in finding the right point in the story to start. If you haven't heard OSC's MICE formula I will repeat it for you here, and if you want more details read "How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy" or "Characters and Viewpoint", both excellent references though not entirely specific to beginnings.

MICE:
Millieu: When telling a story that is more about a millieu (place, setting, time travel can be a millieu as well) you begin when the main character goes to the new place and end when he returns. Example: Gulliver's Travels.
Idea: When telling a story that's main point is the eventual revelation of an idea (as in a mystery story) you begin with the question and end with the answer.
Character: When a character change is the central element, you begin with the character realizing they need a change (Note: this is NOT necessarily when their problems begin) and end when they change or accept what is.
Event: When an event is the central focus of a story (epic fantasy, more often than not) you start when something goes wrong with the world and end when its fixed (or the world ends)

Those are more general. More specifically, the book I would recommend it "Beginnings, Middles, and Ends" by Nancy Kress. I posted an exercise she suggestes in Writing Class, if you're interested. She analyzes not only where to start, but also how. THings like starting with conflict. (In fact, if you don't start with conflict, it's a difficult, uphill road.), useing telling details that provide information without saying, "Hey, look here, this is like this!" Subtlety is important.


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Thank you for the advice, Christine. I just pulled out my copy of “Characters & Viewpoint.” I must admit, reading a book doesn’t mean we know how to use the advice. And sometimes we need someone to point at the information right under our noses. You've just helped me in this department! I’m expecting Nancy Kress’s book to arrive from Amazon any day now.

I missed your post on beginnings five days ago. I have to check that thread more often. I have to remember to use that little feature in the upper right hand corner that allows us to view older posts. I’m taking a close look at Kathleen’s three assignments. They’re dated from last summer, before I joined Hatrack. Other newbies around here may want to take a look as well.

By the way, I view my story as a character story. Very helpful:

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When a character change is the central element, you begin with the character realizing they need a change (Note: this is NOT necessarily when their problems begin) and end when they change or accept what is.


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All that's happened so far is Liz has stepped on a crack. That could be significant, if the rhyme is true, but we don't have reason yet to think it is. Maybe the hook is the tension hinted at with her family -- they're hurried and she's careful. That could work.
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wbriggs, thank for the comment. I thought this thread had died.

I don't want to bore you with what the story is about. Just suffice it to say that I'm trying to edge my way into family conflict. I over did it in previous drafts, provided too much and didn't get to the point fast enough.

In general, how much can we expect from the first thirteen lines? I wouldn't mind discussing that here.

What, in your estimation, comprises the perfect first 13?

Does this change given the type of story we're writing, given Card's MICE formula?


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One more try:


Liz Wilston stepped on a sidewalk crack, but her mother’s back didn’t break. What a gruesome saying—Liz couldn’t believe she actually enjoyed that game once. She stepped on another crack, and then another.

Mom, walking up ahead, took large strides in her navy-blue trimmed tennis sneakers. The muscles in her calves rippled, and her denim shorts fluttered in the wind. Liz’s legs ached. Surely her mother’s did too, but Mom kept walking.

Liz glanced behind to check on Dad and her older brother Brian, but they showed no signs of slowing. If they didn’t, Liz couldn’t either, or they’d call her whiner again. ‘Sometimes you just have to suck it up,’ Dad had said.

Liz didn’t care about experiencing ‘the flavor’ of San Francisco. After a while even the museums blurred together. If Liz had her say, they’d be swimming in the hotel pool right now. She had agreed to the vacation without knowing what it would be like, and Mom couldn’t force her to have a good time. Liz noticed a pedestrian area with cobblestones up ahead. A single footstep could cover several cracks at once over there.


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This is better, but I have a small suggestion.

As written, the first paragraph gives us the image of a girl who is trying to prove that she doesn't believe in silly old wives' tales. Then in the next paragraphs we get a sense that she's actually annoyed with her mom and her whole family. I think you might be able to juice up paragraph one a little bit by giving us a sense that her purposefully stepping on the cracks is, at some level, because she's mad at her mom. Then we've got conflict right away.

But it is better this way. I don't have a sense of plot, but I do have a sense of character and somehow, the way you wrote it this time leaves me with a certain amount of faith that you will soon show me what this is about.


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