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Salimasis
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Short story in progress, copyrighted 2006. All comments welcome.

“This is a dangerous place, Daereon.”
“Then why are you bringing me here, Father?” Daereon, barely twelve years old, stared ahead at the dark mountain that had been in his sight for several days. He and his father, Gaerard, had traveled nearly four weeks to reach this destination.
“We have discussed this, Dae. You are gifted, I think more so than I am. This is the only road to your future. There are no options.”
“Yes there are!”
“Dae ...”
“I could be a weaver, like Arthur. Or a smithy like Uncle Grey. He said he’d teach me.”
“No, you can be neither, nor any other profession than a wizard.

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited January 15, 2006).]


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Spaceman
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You don't need to note the copyright--you own it by default. Any decent writer has no trouble finding original ideas, so if anybody here were to lift yours, I doubt they'd know what to do with it.

As for your story segment, I think you've started the story too late. I have nothing invested in the characters and there is no penetration into the head of either character. It's all chit chat. Consider starting the story earlier. Have the son feel some apprehension about this upcoming trip.

(edited for typo)

[This message has been edited by Spaceman (edited January 15, 2006).]


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wbriggs
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I'm not sure about when to start, but I am sure that I want to know on line 1 (or possibly 2) that they're going to wizard school. I also want to know why they're afraid of the mountain.
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It feels like the description of the setting should fall between Gaerard's first line and Daereon's.


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Annabel Lee
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It seems to me that any time that you have to say 'We've discussed this already' implies that this is just exposition for the sake of it. I'd rather see the original discussion. It makes the characters sound slightly unintelligent if they have to have the same info imparted to them over and over. Same goes for telling the kid what he must already know about his powers. I also thought that we could have done with a slightly less formal tone in the dialogue between father and son - it's all a little too epic.

So, over all I'd agree with Spaceman, it's just a case of starting too late in the story. But I was intrigued as to why they were afraid, and I'd probably read on.

[This message has been edited by Annabel Lee (edited January 15, 2006).]


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I agree with the previous posts that you should include more description and less dialogue at first. It seems to me like you have a good idea going here though.
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Thanks, the feedback is very helpful. It gives me something definite to aim for on the re-write.

While I am aware that the piece is copyrighted by default, I prefer to take the precaution of stating so. Just a terrirorial quirk.

[This message has been edited by Salimasis (edited January 15, 2006).]


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quote:
While I am aware that the piece is copyrighted by default, I prefer to take the precaution of stating so. Just a terrirorial quirk.

Just be aware that doing so raises a big flag that says AMATEUR. The choice is yours, but I would think twice before you put it on a manuscript.


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I roll my eyes when I see it on a submission.


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Salimasis
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I agree and understand that indication of a copyright is not necessary when submitting a manuscript. This, however, is a very public forum. I doubt there will be any problems here with people palgarizing 13 lines, since there's not much in that short a segment to pirate. I do help moderate an amateur site where aspiring writers are allowed to post much more of their writing for critique and feedback, and I and the site's owner encourage them to assert their copyright protection up front to discourage other amateur writers from "borrowing" original works to incorporate into their own writing. It is, as I said, a territorial quirk and a habit. It's the content of the writing that's important. I appreciate a strong critique enough to post again, copyright and all.
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Salimasis
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The new opening 13 for Glass Wizard, and thanks for the great critique. Still needs polishing, but should be an improvement over my first opening. Further critique most welcome.

Daeron dropped his box of newly collected eggs in dismay. It was happening again. The eggs were cracking and hatching out dragonets with slick, leathery bodies and crinkled wings. He had just been daydreaming about dragons, believing the reverie to be harmless. The frequency of his accidental transferences had increased over the past few weeks, and he knew what that meant. He tried to weave a spell to undo the hatching, but the dragonets still kept emerging from the chicken eggs. He needed help.

“Dad! Come quick!”

Gaerard, hearing the urgency in his son’s call, abandoned his experimental spell and dashed outside. He had a good idea that another transference had happened, and that Daeron could not

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited January 17, 2006).]


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Johnmac1953
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This second version gives the reader a hook from which to read on. I also like the humour of the last line which doesn't detract from the scene setting you have begun. Its working now
Best Wishes
John Mc...

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Salimasis
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Thank you. I already see where I can take a nip and a tuck, but I am satisfied I have a decent beginning.

I am convinced that a writer who uses little or no humor in telling a story, no matter how short, takes himself/herself too seriously.


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every story needs a toad
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Spaceman
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Unfortunately, I am going to refrain from any further comment on this story on the grounds that I am unwilling to suspend disbelief. Call it my quirk, but fantasy is a hard sell for me (despite the fact that I am currently writing a modern fantasy/slipstream story myself.)

Edited yet again for spelling.

[This message has been edited by Spaceman (edited January 16, 2006).]


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Salimasis
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Spaceman, if you have nothing further to add, why bother to post? Seriously? Fantasy is not written for readers who are unwilling to suspend disbelief.
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I really liked your second take on the opening. The first 13 lines you posted felt like they belonged later in the story, as Spaceman noted. The second posting felt much more like an engaging beginning- and it does a good job involving the reader with the characters.

For your rewrite, these are the snippets that felt awkward to me:

believing the reverie to be harmless.

He had a good idea that another transference had happened,

latest catastrophe would be

The awkwardness I sensed comes from the choice of verb tense.

Overall, this passage had a nice sense of magic appropriate to a story about a young wizard coming of age.


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Salimasis
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You were reading my mind, raconteuse! That, or great minds really do think alike. You nailed the nip and tuck.

Edited for spelling.

[This message has been edited by Salimasis (edited January 17, 2006).]


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Spaceman
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quote:
Fantasy is not written for readers who are unwilling to suspend disbelief.

Because when somebody writes fantasy that does get me to suspend disbelief, it is usually because of an exceptional story. Putting dragons into chicken eggs in the first paragraph kills my willing suspension from the get go. I bothered to post because you did not lose me as a reader in the first version, but you lost me immediately in the second version. That in itself is reason enough to post--to let you know that your audience is beginning to narrow.

That may not be a problem. I write some stories that have an extremely narrow focus and therefore a very small target audience, but for those particular stories, that is the right way to write them. So just be aware that in some cases when you start talking about dragons right away, you are going to turn off some readers. On the other hand, there will be others who might not have been drawn into the story if you used the first version, but are drawn in by the very mention of anything dragonish.

To me, accidental magic turning chickens into dragons is preposterous because any kind of inherent magic will (for lack of a better word) evolve to be a competitive edge in survival. Turning chickens into dragons doesn't fit that description.

But again, that's me and why I was unwilling to suspend disbelief.


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Doesn't grab my attention...
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Salimasis
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Different strokes, I guess.
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Spaceman
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Exactly right, but I felt the explanation was warranted.
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quote:
Fantasy is not written for readers who are unwilling to suspend disbelief.

Fiction isn't written for readers who are unwillingto suspend disbelief.

Readers of fantasy are more willing than the average reader perhaps -- more forgiving maybe -- but everyone has their breaking point.

I tend to be pretty forgiving but the movie Legend snapped my disbelief suspenders from the opening scene. I've never had so much fun heckling a movie in my life.

As for your fragment, I love everything to do with dragons. I'm hooked.


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Spaceman
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See, I told you!
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I liked the dragon-egg version. I will want some explanation eventually , so I'll know under what circumstances eggs are safe to have! It might be overkill that Dad's in the workshop with spell-making; not sure.
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Salimasis
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I guess I wasn't clear. The eggs were from chickens. Not such a leap from chickens to reptiles, though. According to evolutionists, birds are one of the dinosaurs' closest living relatives.
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On the egg issue, chickens being close evolutionary relatives to dinosaurs may be an entirely different thing than chickens being close to dragons. In many a fantasy story, dragons are a magical race of beings that do not come to life by a mere mistake of a young wizard. Often their birth and very existence comes from something older and wiser than the average wizard. That's my impression anyway. With that preconceived notion, I had a hard time buying the tranference, or I had to assume that dragons in your world are more like any other animal, rather than a race of beings, and are going to be treated more like an intersting pig on a farm than an integral part of the story with characterization and influence in the plot (as is the case in the 'Harry Potter' series). Either that or this kid has some serious powers that he has yet to tame - but this thought was secondary to the first and will take convincing. Perhaps this is all cleared up as the story goes on. Just something to think about.

Another thought: the second 13 lines has definite potential in making the first 13 make more sense and be much more emotional when it comes later in the story. Starting the story a bit further back to establish the drama of the separation was a great improvement, so much so, I am considering it for my own WIP.


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Keeley
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In line with what KevinMac said, basilisks come from chicken eggs, if I'm remembering my mythic creatures correctly.

So, although I love dragons dearly, if you wanted to stay true to the mythical history of these creatures, you might change the dragons to basilisks. That would definitely up the stakes. However, I also think it would detract from the light-hearted tone of your story. After all -- if my memory's correct -- basilisks are deadly not long after they're born.

It all depends on what you're going for.


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Salimasis
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Basilisks may prove a better choice, though in my fantasy world there are different heirarchies of dragons, the greatest being creatures of magic and the lowest being mere fire breathing beasts (a by blow of a forbidden mating between a member of the high dragon lineage and a beautiful but brutish sea creature). While the story has its light moments, it really is primarily a methphysical look at truth.
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