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deRost
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This is the first 13 lines from my WIP. I'm somewhat undecided if this will be the beginning of Chapter 1, or if I will move it back several scenes. Either way, this is all I have so far. I have a tendency to throw away everything I write that I am un-satisfied with, so... this is a big step already. Thank's for the nit's, crits, and otherwise helpful comments. Throw in some negatives for good measure if you like!

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Cordale squinted painfully into the bright morning sunlight as he stood in the temple doorway. The first day of spring was now three weeks past but the biting cold of winter hung on, leaving the High Priest chilled and tense.

How long had it been since he had a full congregation? What was a mere six years past seemed a lifetime ago, when the government officially cut off religious funding. “Only the weak of mind put their faith in the intangible,” someone had said. It was an increasing trend of late for people to put down their belief in the Children of God. The Children had nurtured the growth of man throughout the ages, teaching the ways of farming, and construction. Tarrinil himself had helped to build the city that Cordale now called home.


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This is nice. I don't usually read stories with religious overtones, but the structural strength of your writing would keep me going. There aren't any distracting flow problems to fight through. (There is a minor problem in the second sentence, which is run-on.) I'd give it a chance to catch my attention, even suspecting it might not be what I usually read.

Your second paragraph is perilously close to info-dump. I'd prefer to have some of that background relayed through action or dialogue.

On the whole, it's not a nail-biter hook, and might hold up better if moved back as you are contemplating. But it could also be a comfortable start for a story, as long as the action picks up within the next few paragraphs. (I admit, I never put something down within the first 13 lines unless it icks me out, so I'm a bit of a pushover as far as readers go.)


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The first paragraph is a good establishment shot.

The second paragraph was both a bit dumpy and very confusing. You speak of government cutting "religious funding" in what feels like a pre-modern milieu. Presented correctly, the contradiction might be compelling, but as it is it seems weak. Most particularly, it lacks drama. Particularly to an American audience, a state sponsored religion losing it's funding seems like nothing much to cry about. Active persecution, like laws restricting prayer or other important religious observances, would be the standard we'd hold for a compelling theme.

Juxtaposed with the pre-modern setting, it makes the character's concerns seem inaccessible and incoherent. I would keep reading, but with a definite sense that things didn't add up in the story being told.


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I want some info about Tarrinel. Since it is significant that he had helped build the city, I hope that is explained soon. Or perhaps a quick descriptor- ex- even Tarrinel, the great leader, had helped build the city.
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Nit, but an important one:

Cordale squinted painfully . . .winter hung on, leaving the High Priest chilled and tense.

I thought: who's this High Priest guy? I thought we were talking about Cordale. Then I got it. But there's no need to make the reader work here; you can just say "Cordale, High Priest of the Poobah Diocese..."

I found paragraph 2 confusing. Why would cutting off funding to the church reduce congregation size? What did the "weak of mind" quote have to do with it? When people of late put down their belief in the Children of God, are they putting it down on a census form, or saying, "I'm stupid for believing this" -- and who are the Children of God -- worshipped beings themselves, or angels?

Confusion, for me, feeds on itself. I understand the difficulty of telling the background needed to understand Cordale's actions *and nothing more*, but for me, you didn't give me enough, and maybe in the reverse order.

I like the structure. Introduce the character and the place, and then start telling me the significance.


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I agree that the first paragraph is good, and the second is confusing. The sentence,

>What was a mere six years past seemed a lifetime ago, when the government officially cut off religious funding.<

particularly does not make sense to me. Also, is the Children of God another religion or a fancy word for secularism?


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(Novice, a question: What's an overtone?

I ask because there's at least one mag that says "no religious overtones." I'm not sure if they mean "don't have God in a story," "don't have clergy," or "don't have a story which deals with religious questions." Maybe all of the above? Tx.)


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Thanks for the comments, everyone. After reading your thoughts, and re-reading my passage, I have to agree that the second paragraph isn't great, and that the "funding" aspect isn't a very good angle. I'll definitely re-think that part.

Some background would be helpful here as to the role of the Children of God. I meant for the references to the Children and their roles to be explained in later action/dialog throughout the story, and possibly some initial information in a prologue, or some other device. The story itself is centered around a thief, who as an orphan spent time in the Temple of Tarrinil as an apprentice of sorts to the priest. IE, placing candles, ringing the bell, carrying the offering trays, etc. The story isn't meant to be religion heavy. It's meant to backup some of the MC's morals, reasoning, and offer a source for some of his skills as a thief. Anyways, here is a quick run-down of the Children:

The God of this particular world, first created seven beings. These beings were to be known as His Children and they were to be as companions to him. Later, God created the Heaven and the Earth, and he gave his Children dominion over it. Tarrinil was his eldest Child, and was given dominion over man. The other Children were given dominion over matters of nature etc. The second eldest Child was jealous of Tarrinil and sought more power for himself. He fell from God's grace and took to hiding in the earth. It sounds cliche'd of course. Tolkien has a similar background -- which I found out after I had come up with all of this. I have always felt that in order for something to be believeable, the reader has to relate to it somehow. That is why it sounds almost Christian in nature. Anyways, a little more.... The second Child (have yet to come up with a name) manipulated a nation of humans into worshiping him, and he took them to war. Tarrinil led his own people to battle, and in so doing, the Great City he had helped to build was destroyed. In order to keep the second Child restrained for all time, Tarrinil had to sacrifice his own Earthly existance -- still working out the details here. The Great City was eventually re-built, and named Tarre in honor of the Eldest Child.

Anyways, it's more or less just mythology to support the believability of the world. Just to give it some depth.


I'll ponder my opening some more and figure out a re-write, or just move it to a later scene after we already have some details.

Thanks everyone!


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Only crit I can see that others haven't pointed out is that there's a lot of passive voice there and a lot of telling.
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I'm not sure where your current story is planning to go, but the summary of the history of the world - the clash of God's children - sounded like something I would read.

Your current first 13 might not prompt me to read further for the reasons others have already posted. Also, I have no sense of where you are going/what the conflict is. While I'd give you a few more paragraphs, something needs to happen soon to catch my interest.

You might want to consider if you need to start your story earlier or establish the world and the conflict between God's children in one story and have this one beginning be a different one set in that world. Just MHO.


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wbriggs: For me, I saw religious overtones in this 13 lines with the words "temple" and "High Priest". I admit, my leap was made without the benefit of deRost's summary. Regardless, the inclusion of these words made me infer that whatever system of belief is incorporated into the story, it will be based on historical and/or contemporary worship structures.

My statement wasn't meant to be criticism. I am simply drawn more to adventure fantasy and hard sci-fi. There's no reason for this that I can see, it just is.

I don't know what an editor would consider "religious overtones," I guess it would depend on the editor. I suppose the only way to find out, without asking, would be to read several issues of the magazine in question and see what IS published. Or to submit, because what's another rejection?


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If the religious crisis isn't important to the story, then don't put it in the first 13 lines.

This story is (from what you've said) about this orphan. I presume that Cordale knows the...child? Start with that. Cordale hauls his old bones to the door and either spies or is reminded somehow of this past aquaintance.


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deRost
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I guess another angle I was aiming for with the funding cutoff was that tithes were short, and the temple and clergy were just barely getting by. The MC, while having questionable actions as a thief, still feels a deepdown responsibility to the temple and secretly offers large amounts of his stolen money to the tithe offerings. I think I can work that out differently though, and remove the "religious funding" aspect.

I'll move this scene to a different part of the story, and hopefully have a new intro to critique soon. Thank you all!


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What do they do with the tithes?
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