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Josh Anthony
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This is one of my oldest completed stories (aka I wrote the ending). I'm still editing it, however. Interested in feedback on the 13, if you want the whole thing I'll be happy to e-mail it to ya!

"Cause and Effect"

The sun had just passed its highest point over Rome when the strange vessel made its descent onto the barren field. If anyone had seen it, they might have thought it to be a chariot of the gods or some other supernatural thing; but even if someone had been present at the field, there was no chance that they would have been able to see a cloaked ship.
It was just the way the vessel's two occupants wanted it to be.
"Finally," Ben Carter grumbled, standing up and stretching his tired muscles. "I was getting to the verge of insanity, sitting down for over twelve hours doing nothing. And this cursed tunic itches something terrible! They gave us 28th-century weapons; you'd think that we could at least have brought conventional underwear."

FYI If you want to send e-mail to me, let me know so I can put you on my white list (aggressive spam filter) or else I may not get your e-mails.

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annepin
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Hey! Okay, I'm pretty new at this "13" thing, but I'll take a stab.

Over all, it caught my interest, largely because I love all things about ancient Rome, and a time travel story taking place in Rome seems pretty cool. Also, the touch of humor at the end made me interested. It gives me a good clue that one of the characters, at least, is going to have a sardonic view of the world, which is always fun.

I was confused by the reference of the sun passing over Rome, but then the ship landing onto a barren field. Some sort of wheat field outside of Rome? I wasn't sure where we are in reference to Rome. Also, the contradiction didn't quite work for me. If someone had seen it it would look like a chariot, but it's cloaked, so no one can see it, so why mention what it might look like at all if no one can see it anyway? It felt a bit contrived and misleading to speculate on something that's an impossibility anyway.

I like Ben's attitude, but his dialogue felt a bit unnatural and stilted to me, almost expository, partly because it's so long. Do we need to know they've been there for 12 hours? If so, I'd consider cutting that bit, since, presumably, it's common knowledge to both occupants, so why would one point it out to the other? Also, it's pretty obvious by the cloaked spaceship that they are from the future, or at least from a different planet, either of which would be made clearer later in the story, so I wondered if you even needed the reference to 28th century weapons--again, it just felt a bit forced to me.

I'd be interested in reading more. If you want me to, send it along to ibitsy at gmail dot com.

Thanks!


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Rick Norwood
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To me, it reads like you want to write a time travel story about ancient Rome, and so first you write a paragraph to let the reader know it is Rome, and then a paragraph to let the reader know that there are time travelers.

But none of this is vivid or captivating or original. Where is this field -- on which side of the Tiber? Where in relationship to the seven hills? Is it beyond the cemeteries that surrounded Rome? Why the reference to the sun? Does the cloaked ship cast a shadow?

Then, in the second paragraph, who are these people? Why should we be interested in them? If they knew they were going to be trapped in a time machine for twelve hours, why didn't they bring a book to read?

In other words, you've given us the bare bones, we need the telling detail and the action that shows character.


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Josh Anthony
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Rick, I wrote this a while ago, so I didn't have the 13 lines in mind. All the really captivating intro stuff occurs in the next few paragraphs.

As for the locale, I didn't deem it all that important, since this location is only in the opening of the story. But I'm still editing, so I might tinker with this a little.


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I'd love to read more of this - a time travel story in ancient Rome?! I'm with annepin there, you've got me hooked already.

Anyway...I had no problem with the opening sentence but the second sentence seemed muddled to me, I think the best way to got there would be either to stick to the cloaking idea (does the air shimmer around the ship? Do the leaves flutter as it speeds past?) or maybe have some ancient Roman actually see the ship and think it's a chariot of the gods, mentioning the chariots and then saying nobody could see it anyway read a bit confusingly for me.

I liked Ben too, seems an interesting character though I did think the dialogue was a bit stilted - "getting to the verge of insanity" would maybe be better as "going crazy" or something, also mentioning the 28th century seemed slightly forced, would somebody recreating the battle of Gettysburg say they forgot to take their 21st century watch off?

Still, good job and look forward to reading more if you wanna send it my way


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It is not unusual to go from omniscient POV at the start of the story--like an establishing shot in a movie to set the scene--and switch to third person. But in this case, the omniscient view of the second paragraph is used to tell what the MCs think. It seems odd and may not be needed. All the first paragraph but the first sentence boils down to: the ship is cloaked. So, since the first 13 real estate is so valuable, you might consider simplifying that part to simple scene-establishment and use the gained real estate to advance the story, to let the reader know why the invaders have arrived, for example, or introducing the second passenger.

--WouldBe


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Interesting start - lots of SciFi technology, time travel and ancient Rome.

Ben’s dialog drops a lot of information on us all at once and has the flavor of a dump. It still leaves questions. The answers may not be worth space in the first 13, but they should follow soon. Who is the second occupant? Do they have a mission that would form or lead to conflict, as if time travel to Rome wasn’t enough? Does time travel take time – 12 hours?

I like the naughty note about the tunic as underwear.


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Josh Anthony
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For those of you who wanted me to introduce the second character, he's in the paragraph immediately following the 13s. Like I said before, I wrote this story without the 13s in mind.

By the way, about the 12 hour thing, the reason it took that amount of time was because they didn't warp in directly over Rome. They did the time warp in America (where they had been in the 28th century), and traveled to Rome via "conventional" propulsion (and please don't ask me about the specs for the time machine; since I destroy it in the first chapter, I didn't deem a description of it important).

As for a mission and other stuff, well you'll just have to ask me for the rest of it to find out (it's in Chapter 1, but not in the 13s).

The "chariot of the gods" bit was an appeal to the setting of the story. Since it doesn't seem to be hitting the way I thought it would, I'll change it when I next get to this story.

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Rick Norwood
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You should write every story without a "first 13" in mind. But if you have started the story where it needs to begin, then your first 13 will be interesting. If the interesting stuff happens after the first thirteen, then throw that out and start with the interesting stuff. If you are only going to visit a scene once, maybe it is better not to put in that scene at all, but if you do put it in, make it vivid.
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Josh Anthony
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I agree with you, Rick. I have to keep this scene in because (when read in full) it evokes the do-or-die aspect of their as-yet-unrevealed mission, but I'll try to punch it up a little more (and I thought I was done with the research...will I ever learn).
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Josh Anthony
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Okay, here's a rewrite of the 13s. Take your shots.

The sun had just passed its highest point over Rome when the cloaked vessel made its descent onto the barren field. If anyone had been present in the field, they would have been startled by the roar of the stabilization thrusters as they lowered the invisible ship gently to the ground; but no one was in the field at the time of the landing.

It was just the way the vessel's two occupants wanted it to be.

"Finally," Ben Carter grumbled, standing up and stretching his tired muscles. "I'm glad we're only doing this once."

"You've said that every minute of the six hour trip between America and Rome," grumbled Max Hephalough, the man in the adjacent chair.

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monstewer
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Right, got your story and critted it, just need you to put me on your white list now Josh, just got my email flung back in my face
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Josh Anthony
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All right monstewer, that should do it. Try sending again.
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monstewer
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Nope, still no luck - tried about 5 times over the past couple of days. That's one evil spam filter you've got yourself
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Josh Anthony
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Monstewer, which email address are you using? Post it and I'll try to get it whitelisted. Sorry about the evil spam filter
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Same one as on my info - monstewer@yahoo.co.uk
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