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Kitti
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So in a fit of inspiration I wrote this on the Tube yesterday, but now I'm wondering if the format I've chosen would drive a reader absolutely crazy. So keeping in mind that the finished story is only 1700 words, would you read something in this format? All thoughts on the first 13 and this format in general are welcome...


Hello and welcome to the east side of Highgate Cemetery. My name is Ann Amelia and I'll be your tour guide today.

Yes, sir, I am a graveling, and no, ma'am, those sorts of questions don't offend me. I understand you're curious. I live at the corner of Kirkaldy and the Opened Casket.

There are many opened caskets, crypts and even graves. The fence path by the north wall is full of them, but we won't be going that way - there are too many underslabbers. And before you ask, yes, the underslabbers are very dangerous. They mostly stay underground during the day, but they'll come out if they hear travelers on the path.

Oh, there are paths all over the cemetery. Don't think the underslabbers are ghosts; they just live in the open spaces

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited May 11, 2009).]


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This well written enough to keep me interested, but then again I'm a sucker for first person nerrative.

Is the hook here that we're touring a graveyard, or are the underslabbers the hook?

If you can keep this up for the whole story I think you might have something. The humor, I felt, was well placed.

I'd read more.


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Nice start. The info you released peaks my interest. I see you plan on writing the entire piece as dialog. Tough to do even at 1700 words.

Good luck!


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Forays into other noble forms of narrative is one tradition that fantastical genres share with other fiction and nonfiction genres. In this case a travelogue, albeit a small landscape of guided traveling through a graveyard. Travelogue pastiches are more common than might seem. Just by way of a wide range of examples, Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels, Dante's Divine Comedy, Jack Kerouac's On the Road are all travelogues in some manner, exploring a travel setting where the setting is as much a focal character, a source of antagonism, and/or a sympathy- and suspense-inducing, emotionally stimulating feature.

A second-person direct address to a reader is kind of out of vogue, though. The second paragraph's addressing "sir" and "ma'am," deftly defuses the discomfort and awkwardness of a direct address by incorporating persons of the tour group in the frame of the story and leaving a reader outside of the frame, or at least unnoticed at the back of the tour group. I feel that vicarious participating standing creates a desirable layer of separation which effectively distances a reader from the readily perceivable imperative or lecturing nature of second-person addresses. I actually feel like following the tour group rather than going off on my own and exploring independently. That's well done, in my opinion. It puts a reader in the frame of the presentation without seating one in a lecture hall for a dreary slide show.

This one is in a second-person objective narrative point of view so far. The reportorial quality of objective narration, even in second person, blocks a subjective attitude, where very human opinion, judgmentalism, disapproval, wrong assumptions, self-doubt, biases, and other controvertible personal truths cause, deepen, and maintain a reader's potential intimate resonance and immersion. Subjective's strengths allow for deeper intimate immersion than objective.

Direct addresses in second-person objective are also more challenging to portray psychic access than third or first person, other than through superficial thoughts or through spoken introspection. A second-person objective speaker is in the foreground of a depiction, depicting an unspoken thought crosses the line of perspective when it turns away from the audience to face the narrator's internal self. And back again, and back and forth again whenever deep thought is indicated; perspective turning can become confusing and burdensome.

A travelogue vignette, an emotionally stimulating narrative about a travel setting, risks missing out on the features of story. This story so far is more vignette than story. Character and setting introductions are well and truly begun, except there's no conflict, struggle, predicament, or a purpose for a protagonist, and no character who's patently a protagonist. A few hints about the hazards of the setting, but no meaningful impending drama. It's about a place with a graveling in it. If the graveling Ann Amelia will experience a reversal of fortune, she will emerge as a protagonist. I'd like to know it's that kind of narrative in the opening.


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phillowe - if I had to name what I thought the hook was, I'd probably say one of the component mysteries (what are the gravelings? what are the underslabbers?) rather than the graveyard as a whole, although I'm perfectly happy if that's what's piqued your interest They do actually "tour" the more famous sites in the graveyard.

extrinsic - the problem I'm having with the second person address is I can't decide if it's adding to the story or detracting from it (i.e. have I been too clever for my own good?) You've actually met both protagonist and antagonist already (the "sir" she mentions) and the conflict between them becomes increasingly clear as you read on. (I dumped another direct address to him out of the first 13 because I didn't want to be repetitive, but I might put it back in.) There aren't any perspective changes - the story continues with Ann Amelia the only speaker, responding to unheard questions from the other characters - which is what makes the second-person address possible but it's also something which distances the reader, since the reader can't know what she's actually thinking until the very end when she actually says it.


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I like the tone of this. It is hard to keep it up and get all the information you need for the story out of the one character.

The hook for me is the anticipation of the tour with the hint of danger.

The hardest part for me in reading this was the last sentence. It seems to me that these are unrelated sentences and jarred my reading. Perhaps that's solved in the following lines. I would think there are lots of paths in a cemetery, so that sentence stopped me up a little. And then the warning about underslabbers being everywhere, dangerous and the throwaway line, 'they just live in open spaces' seems too casual.


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Second-person direct for a travelogue pastiche has a pushmi-pullya quality that can be effective. My initial reaction to this one was, Oh no, not second-person direct--my standard reaction--then I read on a little because I was interested in whether it works--which is also my standard. And it almost does. I was encouraged to feel like a tourist interested in the tour, a very subtle effect that blunts the distancing of second person, and which is, I sense, an effective effect for second-person direct.

I spent a good portion of my working career as a tour guide. One common phenomena I noticed was that a speaker speaking in front of a tour group attracts other curious parties. The other was that direct second person addresses singled individuals out, and far better to name the person addressed than to say You. Doing so engages an individual in a participatory dialogue, at least initially from introduction courtesies. Also, engaging in dialogue encourages people to talk about themselves, which people do like to do. About 20% appreciated the attention; the others didn't like focused attention around strangers, preferring anonymity. I blunted that alienation by introducing everyone to each other. Ice breaking works wonders in person. I've wondered how that might effectively be incorporated in story.

I believe second-person is like first person personal though, avoiding the personal pronoun and depicting a story in third person auxilliary as much as possible is ideal. As this opening does get into immediately.

In the way that first-person personal firmly locates a narrator in the frame of a story, this second-person narrative voice does too. However, as noted, psychic access is almost impossible to pull off well in second-person direct, which is the most meaningful perogative of narrative. A handicap to be sure, but one that careful writing might work around. I'm especially intrigued by the potential of Ann turning inward in the ending and revealing a deep personal truth. A psychic access turn at the final turn for dramatic effect? Hmm, perhaps that method might rely on another form of second person, second-person reflexive voice.

I don't think it's too clever, but the audience appeal potential is initially lower than other narrative persons. There are very few examples of published second person in the fantastical genre canon, and not many more in the other genres. That can be good or bad news. The field is wide open, but readers automatically reject second person because it's not as familiar and is fraught with difficulties and alienating qualities.

Edit: James Alan Gardener's "The Ray-Gun: A Love Story" nominated for Best Novellete Hugo 2009 and Nebula 2008, opens with a direct address, somewhat in second person, but it's in second-person obviative. Obviative voice is probably the most distancing one available. And on top of already distancing second person, and obviative voice, the narrator is distantly remote from the frame of the story. I'm still not sure how I feel about that opening. It certainly stretches the limits of English language narrative voice. http://www.asimovs.com/nebulas09/Raygun.shtml

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If you are talking about Highgate in London, Ooooh I love that cemetary. Such a beautiful place.

I thought the opening worked well, and that you were probably going to carry on the sentence to tell us about "the spaces" between something or other, so the end didn't worry me either.

I wrote a tour guide story in first person direct address recently, but the action was described as a past event. I didn't try to make the action in the present. My story was even shorter (about 1200) so I nearly got away with it.

I think you could too, if you manage to indicate the action through the dialogue of the guide without the style becoming irritating and restrictive. The beginning is quirky and engaging and I'd read on.

If you want a reader, pop it over and I'll try to give it a decent crit.

Dame


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Kitti
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Thanks for the encouragement, gang! (And the link... that was a fun story.)

It is Highgate cemetary in London. I finally took a friend's advice and went to visit, missed the west side tour, and decided I'd pop into the east side while I waited for the next one. Little did I know I would stagger out two hours, one hundred photos, and Ann Amelia later... she just wouldn't stop nagging me until I wrote her down Still haven't made it into the west side - I'll just have to go back again.


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A creepy story, also a Nebula nominee, for short story 2008, in second-person reflexive--superficially reflexive address to self, not as deep in thought as reflexive usually goes;

Mike Allen, "The Button Bin"

http://transcriptase.org/fiction/allen-mike-the-button-bin/

My intent is to show that second person is done, is gaining recognition in fantastical genres.


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Just out of curiousity, what do you think about this more conventional 3rd-person version of my first 13? It's the same story, though now I'm starting a few minutes before the tour.


"Please tell me this is a joke," Ann Amelia said as she lowered her copy of the Evening Standard. She looked up at Ned, one of the volunteer porters for London's Highgate Cemetery. "The article - you read it, right?"

"I read it," Ned said, gesturing for her to come join him at the door to the porter's lodge. "It gets better - come look."

"No. He's not outside. He is not going to be on my tour!" Ann Amelia dropped the paper and hurried to join Ned.

A dozen people milled about on the other side of the cemetery's gates. Investigative journalist Eric Taylor was easy to spot - he was dressed in black from head to toe, a flashlight at his hip, pen and paper in his hands. "Tell him he can't come in," Ann ...


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I like it.

Having read the story, I can see it working well. You might have to find an extra twist for the end this way, though. If you do decide to change it, you have a fantastic resource in the first version as you have half the dialogue already written.

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Hi Kitti,

In the new version (and depending on POV) would Ann think of herself as "Ann Amelia" and Eric as "Investigative journalist Eric Taylor"? I know you haven't established how deep the POV is, but the character names struck me straight away (particularly investigative journalist Eric Taylor).

Nick


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The first version had me thinking and expecting a ripping good personal tour of a cemetery led by a graveling. I was interested in following the graveling around and learning about some sort of undead denizen of the cemetery and seeing her personal perspective of the place and what happened to her that she's undead.

The second version opens with a theme park scene in a staff breakroom. Being an earlier opening start to the same story, I now see that my first impression was wrong. However, though the second opening is in more palatable third-person objective and allows readily for the direct address of second person later on as an auxilliary voice, my entertainment interest is not as potent because Ann Amelia is no longer portrayed as an undead tour guide. I saw that depiction as an intriguing imaginative premise. The second version completely cancels it out, and graveling just becomes an insider's term for a graveyard docent.

Graveling is a mischievious accessory character type in the television series "Dead Like Me." Or graveling is an actual gerund form of a transitive verb for placing stone or pebbles. Or it means to perplex, confound, nettle or irritate, which is what the gravelings do in the television series.


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Ann Amelia was supposed to be one of those two-name monikers, like "Katie Sue" or "Bobby Jean" but I think I'd have to change it if I do 3rd person. I don't think I could make it through the whole story without going bonkers if I had to write Ann Amelia every time....

extrinsic - you aren't wrong about your impressions from the other start; she is undead (well, a ghost possessing a human body, close enough) and she's about to give what I hope is a ripping good graveyard tour... and she's got to do it without letting a obnoxious journalist-tourist wander off and get himself killed :-) I'll have to play around with the 3rd person more and see if I can't bring over some of the charm from the 2nd person intro.

BTW - Funny you should mention Dead Like Me - I was just reading an article in the paper about random bits of space trash crashing down to earth, and my mind immediately went back to that show...


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