Hatrack River Writers Workshop   
my profile login | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Hatrack River Writers Workshop » Forums » Fragments and Feedback for Short Works » Fantasy - Saint Deidra - Unfinished

   
Author Topic: Fantasy - Saint Deidra - Unfinished
alliedfive
Member
Member # 7811

 - posted      Profile for alliedfive   Email alliedfive         Edit/Delete Post 
Alright, giving up on that one I mentioned in Open Discussions. Hopefully this one will help me forget. Thoughts on the 1st thirteen are appreciated.

1st Thirteen

They called my daughter many things. Freak, mutant, monster. Then, later; blessed, anointed, powerful, merciful. Important men in robes and tall hats called her a saint. When she was little, I called her Dee.

We named her Deidra after my wife’s great grandmother, who was important to my wife’s family in a way I never really understood. So we honored great grandma with the name, but I honored my daughter with the nickname. When Jen divorced me and began snorting her alimony away one line at a time, I asked Dee if she wanted to change her name. She said, “He wanted me to have this name. I’ll keep it.” I always assumed she meant God.

By the time Dee was sixteen, her fame had burned down to ashes scattered in the archives of the Internet. Sometimes the flame was fanned anew when some nut remembered her and did something

end


1st revision

They called my daughter many things. Freak, mutant, monster. Then, later; blessed, anointed, merciful. Important men in robes and tall hats called her a saint. When she was little, I called her Dee.

We named her Deidra after my wife’s great grandmother. When Jen divorced me and began snorting her alimony off a mirror, I asked Dee if she wanted to change her name. She said, “He wanted me to have this name. I’ll keep it.” I always assumed she meant God.

By the time Dee was sixteen, her fame had burned down to ashes scattered in the archives of the Internet. Sometimes the flame was fanned anew when some nut remembered her and did something sociopathic, hoping to draw attention to himself in Dee’s name.


[This message has been edited by alliedfive (edited November 24, 2009).]

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited November 24, 2009).]


Posts: 323 | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Wolfe_boy
Member
Member # 5456

 - posted      Profile for Wolfe_boy   Email Wolfe_boy         Edit/Delete Post 
I like this an awful lot.

It's clear and direct. You're not trying to marvel us with too much authorial hand-waving and derring-do.You're getting to the point pretty quickly. I'm getting the feel for your MC pretty clearly too - nice normal guy, loves his kid, maybe slightly indulgent but in a good-natured way.

Things I would clean-up on:

1. You have three things they called your daughter, then four. Stick with three on each side - the symmetry is attractive.

2. If you want to save words, there are a few spots of redundancy where you could trim: the important men could do with less description (tall hats & robes says priest to me, so of no one other than important priests has anything to say, then just say important priests. If others do have things to say, then the robes & hats doesn't work) and you mention twice that Dee is named after her great-grandmother. No need for both.

Maybe that gets the inciting incident on page one? Regardless of if it's on page one or two, you've got me wanting to read beyond the first thirteen.


Posts: 733 | Registered: Apr 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
tchernabyelo
Member
Member # 2651

 - posted      Profile for tchernabyelo   Email tchernabyelo         Edit/Delete Post 
ALthough you don't have an inciting incident, you do have a hook - the different ways in which Diedra is perceived.

However you do have some possibly redndant stuff to cut out. You tell us "We named her Deidra after my wife’s great grandmother, who was important to my wife’s family in a way I never really understood. So we honored great grandma with the name, but I honored my daughter with the nickname." Unless the great-grandmother's importance is important to the plot in some way (and the fact that the narrator says "in some way I never really understood" implies otherwise) then that can go. It kind of looks as if if you're hesitating to get to the point. Now there might be good reasons for the narrator to do this, but even if so it'd be kind of nice to see the narrator get close to the point and shy away from it.

I agree with the "symmetry" suggestion above.


Posts: 1469 | Registered: Jun 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
alliedfive
Member
Member # 7811

 - posted      Profile for alliedfive   Email alliedfive         Edit/Delete Post 
Posted a trimmed down revision. Did I lose anything?
Posts: 323 | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Wolfe_boy
Member
Member # 5456

 - posted      Profile for Wolfe_boy   Email Wolfe_boy         Edit/Delete Post 
You lost one thing: I honored my daughter with the nickname.

Maybe it's just me, but this line does show us a bit of the father-daughter relationship. That he cares about her enough to give her a nickname, that she loved it (or him) enough to accept it, and that it sounds like it was something special they shared together, to the exclusion of coke-sniffing mom. It might take some careful rewording to get this back in there, but it's a line that I particularly liked.

Regardless, you've still got me hooked.

Edit: Maybe something like this?

quote:
We named her Deidra after my wife’s great grandmother, but the nickname was all my doing.

I dunno.

[This message has been edited by Wolfe_boy (edited November 24, 2009).]


Posts: 733 | Registered: Apr 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
shimiqua
Member
Member # 7760

 - posted      Profile for shimiqua   Email shimiqua         Edit/Delete Post 
First off, thanks for showing your work editing. I think the revised is so much better, and I learned something from reading the differences.

I don't think the information that the dad was the one who made the nickname is important, it's kind of implied. Unless, of course, you want to show that the dad feels a kind of ownership of his daughter. How does he feel about his daughters freakish sainthood? Some more of his attitude would flavor the prose nicely.

And ditto on the symmetry.

Really strong first thirteen. Great work.
~Sheena

[This message has been edited by shimiqua (edited November 24, 2009).]


Posts: 1201 | Registered: Jan 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ScardeyDog
Member
Member # 8707

 - posted      Profile for ScardeyDog   Email ScardeyDog         Edit/Delete Post 
The first revision is great. I do agree you should work in something about the nickname, because I feel it implies neither of them likes "Diedra". Otherwise his offer to let her change her name doesn't really jive.
Posts: 238 | Registered: Jul 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
alliedfive
Member
Member # 7811

 - posted      Profile for alliedfive   Email alliedfive         Edit/Delete Post 
I seem to have lost my inciting incident again, this time at the hands of KDW's editing knife. Strange that the second revision fit the box the same way the first did, yet its over 13 lines...
Posts: 323 | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Dark Warrior
Member
Member # 8822

 - posted      Profile for Dark Warrior   Email Dark Warrior         Edit/Delete Post 
Me likee

My one thought was:

quote:
Important men in robes and tall hats called her a saint.
It comes across like a description from Dee herself, from a child. He knows who they are, why not simply The Church called her... or some direct variation instead of trying to make their description a puzzle. If it wasn't for the saint word my first thought with robes and especially the hat, was KKK.

Posts: 710 | Registered: Oct 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
alliedfive
Member
Member # 7811

 - posted      Profile for alliedfive   Email alliedfive         Edit/Delete Post 
Good thought, Dark Warrior. My reason for phrasing it like that was more to avoid naming a certain religion. I wanted to convey the idea that multiple religions sainted her. I will rephrase. Thanks everyone.
Posts: 323 | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
tchernabyelo
Member
Member # 2651

 - posted      Profile for tchernabyelo   Email tchernabyelo         Edit/Delete Post 
I'm not sure you can get away with "multiple religions" sainting (sanctifying, I think, though that term has other connotations as well for inanimate objects) her, because saint itself is a term pretty specific to one religion (indeed, pretty specific to one sect of one religion, in terms of it still happening as an ongoing process). So you've pretty much got the reader thinking "Catholicism" with the saint word - avoiding anything else is then fruitless.
Posts: 1469 | Registered: Jun 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
alliedfive
Member
Member # 7811

 - posted      Profile for alliedfive   Email alliedfive         Edit/Delete Post 
That's a good point. For some reason, I think the description as it stands is a more unique voice. It sort of makes the character feel as if he's belittling the church or at least expressing his lack of respect (which is a theme of the story).


Hmm


Posts: 323 | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
NoTimeToThink
Member
Member # 5174

 - posted      Profile for NoTimeToThink   Email NoTimeToThink         Edit/Delete Post 
I like your style, and the revision is cleaner. I agree with Wolfe_boy about the nick-naming being important to solidifying their relationship.

"Important men in robes and tall hats" is a bit much; how about "Holy men"?

Because I am only seeing the first 13, I'm not sure if you are starting in the right place. Does your story involve Dee before or after her death? If the story is after her death, then your're ok.


Posts: 406 | Registered: Mar 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
alliedfive
Member
Member # 7811

 - posted      Profile for alliedfive   Email alliedfive         Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks everyone for all the comments. Seems the hook is strong enough for most readers to read on. Now, a question.

It seems like I often start strong, but get a little side-tracked and run out of momentum on my stories. I think this is a focus issue, and I need to satisfy the promises of my open more thoroughly.

Would anyone be willing to post some promises they feel are being made, or perhaps what kind of story/resolution they would expect to get from this story?

I know that's kind of open-ended, but I'm trying to really zero in on a readers expectations and how my stories can meet or exceed them.


Posts: 323 | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Sunshine
Member
Member # 3701

 - posted      Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine         Edit/Delete Post 
/They called my daughter many things. Freak, mutant, monster. Then, later; blessed, anointed, merciful./

I like the above. It makes me think she was never seen as normal, and somehow was forced to vassilate between monster and saint throughout her life. Regardless, never normal, always a freak-show.

/Important men in robes and tall hats called her a saint./

I've got to side with the others on this. Since you're obviously alluding to the Catholic church (whether intentional or not), why not just own it? They are one of the most powerful organizations in the world, so being called a saint by them is no small feat. Instead of "important men in robes and tall hats", perhaps try "Vatican priests called her a saint" (or "Tibetan monks called her a ____", etc).

/When she was little, I called her Dee./

I really liked the above line. The POV character saw her humanity, despite the rest of the world's perspective. I expect this to be really important to the story and to Dee.

/We named her Deidra after my wife’s great grandmother. When Jen divorced me and began snorting her alimony off a mirror, I asked Dee if she wanted to change her name. She said, “He wanted me to have this name. I’ll keep it.” I always assumed she meant God./

I like the last sentence of why Dee chose to keep her name and the dad's assumption of who she was referring to. I expect to see this cleared up before the end of the story. I'm slightly confused as to how Jen's cocaine addiction relates to the name change. I've known many drug abusers and their children in my life and none have ever changed their name or offered to change their children's name, so this would definitely need to be cleared up for me.

/By the time Dee was sixteen, her fame had burned down to ashes scattered in the archives of the Internet. Sometimes the flame was fanned anew when some nut remembered her and did something sociopathic, hoping to draw attention to himself in Dee’s name./

Really curious about Dee's fate and how she arrived at her fate, which I expect to understand before the end of the story. I figure she's dead, in exile, or some other fantastic explanation that makes sense as the story progresses. It's nice to see the continuation from the first lines, about blessed vs. cursed, i.e. a nut performing a sociopathic in Dee's name.

I'd keep reading.


Posts: 90 | Registered: Aug 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sholar
Member
Member # 3280

 - posted      Profile for sholar   Email sholar         Edit/Delete Post 
I would read on. I want to know what happens. I liked the tall hats reference. I felt like the father did not take the religious people seriously and that was his way of showing it. Simply saying priests would give them more legitimacy in their opinion of Dee.
Posts: 303 | Registered: Mar 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ScardeyDog
Member
Member # 8707

 - posted      Profile for ScardeyDog   Email ScardeyDog         Edit/Delete Post 
Re: Promises the story is making

From this intro I would expect to find out:

- what was wrong/different about Dee that people called her freak
- what changed that lead to her being called a saint
- who "He" is
- what happened to her in the end (I get the impression she's dead - Do you have to be dead to become a saint? Maybe it's the past tense)
- how her father feels about the whole ordeal (since he's the narrator)

Hope that helps


Posts: 238 | Registered: Jul 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
alliedfive
Member
Member # 7811

 - posted      Profile for alliedfive   Email alliedfive         Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, that helps. I find it interesting that everyone assumes she's dead. Is it just the sainthood that's making people think that?
Posts: 323 | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Merlion-Emrys
Member
Member # 7912

 - posted      Profile for Merlion-Emrys   Email Merlion-Emrys         Edit/Delete Post 
It doesn't make me assume shes dead. She could be, but it also sounds like it may be just that they are seperated.


Also the part about "snorting her alimony off a mirror" is awesome.


Posts: 2626 | Registered: Apr 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ScardeyDog
Member
Member # 8707

 - posted      Profile for ScardeyDog   Email ScardeyDog         Edit/Delete Post 
I think it's the first sentence "They called my daughter many things." Most likely this is what gave me that impression.
Posts: 238 | Registered: Jul 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
alliedfive
Member
Member # 7811

 - posted      Profile for alliedfive   Email alliedfive         Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, I am resurrecting this thread from December

Good news: I am back writing consistently after the birth of my first child!

Bad news: I only finished this one story the last 3 months!

Anyway, anyone want to read this?


Posts: 323 | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Nick T
Member
Member # 8052

 - posted      Profile for Nick T   Email Nick T         Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Allied Five,

I want two things:

1) I want to read this story.

2) I want to hear how you managed to do anything at all in the first three months. I'm expecting my first child at the end of June and I'm woried I won't get any writing done for the next twenty years.

Nick


Posts: 712 | Registered: Jun 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
alliedfive
Member
Member # 7811

 - posted      Profile for alliedfive   Email alliedfive         Edit/Delete Post 
Hey, Nick T.,

1) You got it. I'll send it as soon as I get home from work tonight.

2) It's not that bad. I think it was the sleep deprivation more than anything. Tough to write in a perpetual fog.

[This message has been edited by alliedfive (edited March 18, 2010).]


Posts: 323 | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
genevive42
Member
Member # 8714

 - posted      Profile for genevive42   Email genevive42         Edit/Delete Post 
alliedfive, it's good to see you around again.

This is a great opening. If you're still looking for readers I'll be happy to read for you.


Posts: 1993 | Registered: Jul 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

   Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Hatrack River Home Page

Copyright © 2008 Hatrack River Enterprises Inc. All rights reserved.
Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited.


Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2