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srhowen
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As I have read the posts the past few days—which I’ve had little time to respond to, I found a few moments this morning. In every class I’ve taken in lit and in English there seems to be the same trend.

Let me ask this—do you before you write a story consciously think ‘“Now I will make him the speaker and POV character because in the end I am going to kill off so and so and the story will be best told by “” because ---- and the implications of that will be, blah blah blah”’? I am a teacher and I always groan at these analyses of what the writer’s motives were. That may make me odd—but it also stirs in me some memories and a glimmer of the way people react to things—“oh she only did that to spite me.” (a grand assumption, most of the time not based on any real happening or intention.)

I sit down to write and I start with something—I may have an idea where the story is going and I know where I want it end up—but at the start I rarely have all the character’s chosen (like never): I certainly don’t have all the intricacies of their motivations and personalities picked out. New characters come into the story all on their own, characters that I thought were important turn out to be otherwise, evil ones good ones and in reverse ----and if I write “in flow” I don’t even know what I’ve written until my shoulders and wrists give out some time later (sometimes hours later) and this total absence of conscious thought turn out the very best stories).

So why the long-winded, he chose this character because? Hasn’t anyone else thought that maybe he just sat down and wrote and this is what the story and characters gave him? I have not yet published a novel, but I don’t think that other writers (published) plan to the point that readers try to delve into the “why they did this and that”. Don’t all of you as writers see something odd in analyzing a story on that level?

Right now I am purposely writing a story “on the fly” so to speak, to see what happens with no forethought as to where it will go, who the characters will be (at the start, or new ones who will come up)---I do not even have glimmer as to where it will end. It is being published in an online magazine and is now on chapter 12. (I’ve had to write a 3 chapter chunk because I will be doing an international move soon) As I write each chapter, (the week it is due) I have found that the story twists and turns towards a natural ending, with a bunch of surprises in between. I have gotten e-mails asking for the rest of the story so people did not have to wait. When I reached part 8, I thought I had reached an end point—my editor told me that if I stopped this story that she would fly over here and hunt me down and glue me to the keyboard until I wrote more of the story.

So, to me, I find it silly to sit and decide this is what the author intended. I think all authors intend to do one thing—tell the story keeping them up at night. Of course later people will look back and think it was a political commentary on the times or that the author chose because----but did they? Isn’t the political, or other commentary, born out the time they live in simply by the influence of living in that time? 20 years ago I wouldn’t have batted an eye at the Oreo cookie reference—now I wrestled with political correctness--

My intentions and choices are born out of telling the story as the story spreads before me. I often look at published “this is why the author did this” and think the auhtors must be turning in their graves or groaning out loud. “All I did was tell a story!”

I remember reading a story, and I can’t think of who wrote it or the comment at the moment, but the author had gotten several nasty letters as a result of a scene he wrote. His reply was that it was absurd to think he felt that way about women because of the scene—it was simply a scene. (It may have been OSC—Cruel Miracles?) Others have been asked or told “Do you really feel that way about marriage, divorce, raising children, sex, ect—because of the stories they write. I have been asked if I am satanic because of the dark fantasy I write. (Not asked—accused of being so)(I'm not).

It is my opinion, therefore, that writers write and all the rest, well we as humans just love delving into someone else’s motivations—thus the great gossip chain of the world.

It is not love that makes the world go around—but the analysis of others motivations and the right or wrong of that person based on that analyses.

Yikes, what a stream of thought I better go back to bed and start over today!

Shawn

[This message has been edited by srhowen (edited July 20, 2001).]


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SiliGurl
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When I write, I have some main characters in mind... but none of them are sacred. I have one minor-main character that I kill off within the 1st 10 chapters. And when we've crossed the middle of the book, readers will be surprised that there's a whole group of main characters that get slaughtered in a coup; some of these will be POV characters.

My POV characters (and there's about 6 of them) were "chosen" if you will because they have stories to tell. The "style" concept of the book I'm working on is that there is an overarching plot and even some overarching themes. But this plot is merely the foundation for the story, and there are about 6 different, interconnected, interweaving stories. Each story has their own POV character, and as the novel progresses you discover how each of these stories intertwine. (Does that make sense??)

And yes, it's odd how characters can leap from your imagination and have their story unfold in a completely unexpected way. In my book, for example, the army's 2nd in command (Kenturan) was only half-formed in my mind; I'd mentioned him, even had a "walk on appearance" but didn't give him much thought... He wasn't a main character after all. But then I had a dialogue exchange between him and his commander, and all of sudden he leapt out from his preconceived mold and became one of the bad guys. When I reread that chapter, I was literally stunned because I had never really given him much thought, and that particular dialogue section wasn't meant to foreshadow what was to come... but it did and actually changed what I had originally thought would happen. It revealed that Kent wasn't who the commander thought he was. He certainly wasn't who I thought he was!

Enough rambling for me... Back to work.


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JK
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I'll grant you, Shawn, that we do over-analyse fiction these days; you just know that Shakespeare wasn't thinking any of the things critics say he was when he wrote his plays. He was, like you said, just writing stories and earning a living. I very much doubt he thought as much about symbols as I have to in bloody English lessons.
But I do think you are wrong about one thing. Sometimes the point of a story, be it a short, a novel, a poem or whatever, is not just to tell an interesting tale (of the ilk 'this happened to A, whose relationship with B changed to this, tada!') Sometimes, the tales have an underlying point or message that is quite intentional. In the novel I'm working on now, the tale is (hopefully) interesting, but I'm also saying a number of things about racism; why it's bad, how it is easy to be racist without realising. I had that in mind when I wrote the story, so it didn't just flow as you described. It flowed with a definite purpose, and I think that's true for a number of writers. I'm not saying that it's a better way of writing, of course, just that some write that way.
Anyway, I've bored you people enough now. I'm going to go to a place that's away.
JK

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Likewise, JK, I start with something I want ot say, a theme at least. Develope the best format for that telling and create the characters. Within this there is great flexability for the story to evolve in a unique way that I may not have first thought of. But, my theme or thought is still there.

Speaking of your current theme, I wonder if you have read SK's Bag of Bones? I wonder how he developed that book with it's powerful theme? Was this his theme from the begining?

Oh well...

J


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In my humble opinion I would think that there would be as many different ways of writing as there are stories, and as many different ways of interpretation as there are individuals. I think that is the beauty of writing fiction is that (like music) it can be special to an individual for different reasons. Some people may be poloticaly or socialy more active than others, and thus they are going to 'translate' the story the way that makes sense to them. Are the tales told by Dickens about class, society, politics or the individual? I bet we ALL have answers differing based on what his stories meant to us. The important thing may not be HOW you write or even WHAT you write... just that we do write.

Arron


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JK
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Aaron, of course, has a point. There is no one and simple way of writing.
Although I do sometimes start with a theme, I think my favourite way of writing stories is to find a way of hurting someone, and then creating a character and story around that. That's why I'm quite a sadistic writer. In fact, the main character of the story I mentioned in my last post has been the subject of numerous literary tortures; the third novel wouldn't exist if it weren't for my cruel treatment of a character I like so much.
That's all for now, from the sadist writer,
JK

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