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Christine
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I'm actually doing ok, personally, but I know this is an issue for a lot of people and someone recently inquired about the thousand ideas....so how about it? Anyone want to go again?

Ground rules....no idea here is personal or sacred, if you post it here it's public...

The basic idea here is to keep asking questions. Why? What? How? Who would benefit from that? What could go wrong? (that's a big one) I've seen these start in 3 main ways: character, price of magic, or what makes an alien different? I suppose there are more ways to start than just those three, but why not? Last time we did one of these on this site we started with a character. (A fifty-year-old woman in a forest that I actually wrote a short story about and submitted.)

I think we should start with an alien today. (We do so much fantasy around here, time for a change.) So, when doing a science fiction concept involving aliens, the main thing you need to start with is....What makes this alien unique? Start answering that question and at first, we'll get cliches, but hopefully soon we'll come up with something good. (Don't be afraid to spout out cliches either....get them out and past them so we can move on, it's part of the process and is quite useful.) Keep in mind, when coming up with some alien characteristic, that our next questions will involve evolutionary plausibility.

So, without futher ado....What makes this alien unique?


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Hmm.. plausible. OK. I studied at the University that Jack Cohen lectures at. Unfortunately, he never lectured to me...

Hmm...

They evolved in a highly predatory environment and have a tough, sharp, spiky appendage that they can use as a weapon.


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Eric Sherman
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He has no intrest in fighiting for survival yet manages to stay alive anyways.
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His greatest desire is to be worshipped as a god by humans.

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He hates chocolate. No, wait, chocolate gives him hives/welts. No, wait, it's caffeine - makes him swell up.

Or maybe it's chocolate - anyone who hates it is pretty alien to me!


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Gary Grant Morris
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He (somehow the alien's become a he) has a KILLER belch that rattles the teeth of anyone or anything nearby.

It's an embarrassing affliction that he loathes, and is brought on by his addiction to earthworms.


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EricJamesStone
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The alien's limbs must remain in almost constant motion or else they will freeze in place.
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This alien race has the inate ability to levitate themselves. So they do not need legs to move around. After several millenia of evolution their legs disappeared. However, their butts got bigger, because they use that to land with. A big, soft posterior, and no legs.
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Jules
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The aliens are few in number and tend to live in isolation, but have an instinctive knowledge of where the closest member of their kind is to be found.
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The alien is the only one of its kind not to develop telepathic powers at maturity and is therefore shunned by the rest of its community.
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Christine
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Let me insert something here....at this point I'm looking at what makes the alien RACE different from the human RACE....I admit I wasn't clear. We've got a lot of things that make one alien different from his surroudnging aliens...but we're not there yet, and missing steps will really hurt this creativity process. So why don't we back up and say, for example, we've got an entire race of telepathic aliens...then we'll consider what might happen if one wasn't. (You thief! I'm writing a short story about that right now! )
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Gary Grant Morris
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This telepathic system is crucial to alien survival since it is the vehicle used to warn the entire race when a deadly enemy is invading.

So our alien, having been born without telepathic powers, must somehow design a makeshift warning system (radar, perhaps) and either carry it around always or have it surgically embedded.


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Does this race of telepathic aliens have any language? It seems doubtful to me. Why would they need it? In that case the lone non-telepath would not just be "crippled," but would actually be cut off from almost all communication with others of its type. Okay, we're not discussing the individual yet, that last bit is jumping ahead. But what do other people think? Would they have a spoken language? If not, would they ever have developed writing? Would they have a telepathic language, i.e., certain codified thought patterns that could be handled without more or less automatically (the way we handle words), that would aid easy communication?
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Christine
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How about water dwelling aliens?

Or aliens rooted to the spot (like trees)?

Or tiny aliens the size of microbes? Is there any possibility that they would be intelligent?

What about airborne aliens?

Or aliens that can't see?

Perhaps an alien that sings as its language?

Perhaps an alien that requires extremely hot or extremely cold temperatures? What would it look like?

What about an alien who has no mouth, it gains sustinence through some other means?

Or an alien that is actually a consciouss planet or moon?

Could a certain type of alien actually evolve/live in the vacuum of space?

What about a non carbon based life form? What else might it be made of? How would that work?


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Sorry, Christine, I forgot about that. I reckon it's more probable that you time-travelled forwards to today from the past and stole the idea from this thread though in order to claim it as your own.

Are we still going with telepathic aliens or coming up with new ideas? I'll go with both:

Maybe the telepathic aliens are unable to read into the subtleties of other aliens' speech and facial expressions and the non-telepathic alien is the only one who knows their friends are about to attack them treacherously.

How about aliens that only exist as the thoughts of other aliens?

Or aliens who live their lives in reverse? They dig themselves up out of the ground 8ft tall, gradually shrink throughout their lives until they are half a foot tall and then build an egg type shell around them. A couple of weeks later they are cooked and eaten as a normal egg by the rest of their family.


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Christine
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Well, there's nothing wrong with telepathy, but it's a little cliche, so I think it would be a good idea to keep trying. But part of the point of the thousand ideas is, if telepathy strikes you as interesting, then keep asking yourself personal questions about it until you come up with something new and unique. In the meantime, why don't we keep firing around as many ideas as possible so we can reach that longed-for thousand?

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Actually, I had been contemplating a singing-language culture a little while back, but I didn't have a conflict to stick into it. What if each note is a word or a letter (or a syllable)? The "speech" would sound like music, except not very melodic, probably. But maybe their poetry would be musical. The aliens would have to have amazing vocal ranges to make this work, since most humans only have about two octaves--twenty-six to thirty notes--and hearing in dog and elephant ranges.

Some humans are tone-deaf, though. What if a perfectly intelligent alien was tone-deaf? Would it be like deafness for humans? Would there be an alternate form of communication? What would this alien think of human speech? What would the other aliens think of it?


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What if this alien race communicated merely by using facial expressions, or possibly some form of body language. I know that sign language is cliche but there is room for expanding on that idea.
Then I started thinking about deep sea fish, the type with lantern-like objects that glowed. This alien race might have some sort of body part that flashes light and they communicate by decoding patterns of flashes, much like morse code.

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Ideas along the communication thread:

The aliens communicate by thumping parts of their own bodies rhythmically.

The aliens communicate by thumping parts of others' bodies rhythmically.

The aliens communicate by sneezing out chemicals that the receiver tastes to interpret meaning.

The aliens communicate by varying body temperature.

The aliens have contact telepathy with an unintelligent symbiotic life form, and they communicate with each other by imprinting messages on the minds of the symbiotes and exchanging them.


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I was thinking about a tall alien, maybe 6'5...ish, redish in color, lanky, with big, black, bulbous eyes. A cliche, I know, but stick with me.

These aliens are blind (to a degree. They don't see like we do, but that's okay. They live in utter darkness every day of their lives), but their other senses are magnificent. They communicate by touch. They have a six-fingered hand (2 thumbs, on opposite sides of the palms...maybe. I haven't decided), and a long, dextrous tail, which keeps them balanced while they run. Running is a part of their culture. It is an ancient relic from a time when they were prey, but now, they're masters of their planets. Yet they have no technology. None. They don't write, so they can't plan. Or maybe they have genetic memories. Also, they live in the ground. They're nomadic, traveling wherever the large nests of locust-like insects travel, which they feed on, burrowing into the dirt to sleep for the...time they're sleeping. Because it's always night, remember?

Meh. I'm just rambling. Ignore me.

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The aliens live on a world with an extreme axial tilt, and hibernate for a significant proportion of the year in order to avoid the worst of the environmental conditions this would cause.
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I'm bagging the telepathy thing. How about a race of aliens that is (here's the original part) dumber than we are. They have yet to discover the art of putting charcoal to stone walls to communicate their ideas and they are, for reasons as yet unconceived of by me, incapable of vocal speech. So they use objects around them to communicate. "Leaf, rock, dirtclod, hairball, dead mouse." Translation: There's a dead mouse stuck between my toes. Then, out of the blue a spaceship lands on their planet and out step these strange hairless creatures with big cheesy grins on their faces since they feel so triumphant at having discovered a new world. What do the aliens think? "NEW WORD!"
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SO the ways this could go is War Peace Slavery Pets. These incomunicable aliens, let's say they want to go show their friends this new word the run up and grab one of the weird things (humans). but I assume they are smaller so they grab the smallest of these they can find. (a baby)

Or perhaps my new idea: The aliens are humans, and there is no difference at all. but that's boring so these other ones have acheived world peace, and try to take it to the others. but it goes the other way and the earthlings bring their waringness to the others.


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I'll never buy a story in which humans have achieved peace...it's frankly counter-evolutionary and is my big qualm with Star Trek, well, one of them.
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How about an alien race that uses sound the way we use light? There is some constant source of sound on their planet . . . perhaps the constant lapping of the ocean that covers its entire surface. Our alien species lives on the surface of the ocean, like lilly pads on a pond, and uses the sound of its waves the way we use light from the sun.

So this alien race senses remote objects by the sound they reflect. They communicate with each other by moving broad, flat appendages that change the pattern of sound reflected by their bodies.

What could go wrong? Here's an example: One of the aliens has invented the hot air balloon. After several unmanned tests he takes it on its first manned flight. When he gets a few hundred feet above the ocean he can't hear its waves any more and becomes "blind." He can no longer read his instruments or find his controls! Now what will he do?


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Eric Sherman
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Perhaps he would figure out some way of generating sound.

"How about a race of aliens that is (here's the original part) dumber than we are. "

I had an idea about that very same thing not too long ago!

[This message has been edited by Eric Sherman (edited May 11, 2004).]


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quote:
I'll never buy a story in which humans have achieved peace...it's frankly counter-evolutionary and is my big qualm with Star Trek, well, one of them.

Now THAT'S a challenge.

Some ideas:

1. Someone releases a virus that alters the human genome to eliminate agressive behavior.

2. Relatively advanced aliens conquer Earth and sterilize any human who displays violent tendencies (as well as the parents, siblings, and offspring of such people) in order to produce a peaceful slave race.

3. Exposure to a certain nerve weapon causes unconsciousness at the thought of doing violence. Once soldiers are exposed, they are forever after incapable of fighting.

With regard to the more general question of whether a peaceful humanity is "counter-evolutionary," evolution is based on survival of genes. If circumstances arise such that genetic traits promoting peaceful coexistence are more likely to be passed on than genetic traits promoting warfare, then evolutionary pressures will move humanity toward peace.

Any trait can be accounted for by evolution, if the environment is set up to promote that trait.


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Now THAT'S a challenge.

Isn't this the wish ("I wish everyone would be nithe and get along," she lisped, her thumb hovering near her mouth) that the aliens and evil Santas always answer by killing off the entire human race minus one?

Or humans find peace in something ala Matrix, where fighting leads to an automatic brain wipe.

Or fantasy, and there's a sword of Damocles waiting for anyone who draws a blade on the innocent, and our hero is having trouble because the person who through prophecy will feed evil and destroy the world is still innocent and protected by the Magic of the Land (tm)...

Or a sufficiently charismatic leader manages to unite humanity (or the ragged remainders thereof) against a common enemy.


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Either of those options to pacify the human race would destroy humanity itself. But the real question, is that a bad thing? (and the point of my idea is that our humanity 'infects' theirs)
I like the noise/light idea. and the soulution to the lost guy is the moment he can't see he screams and produces enough noise to see. But also along that thread why not shift all the senses, Sound/Light Light/Smell ("Whew, who turned the flashlight on?") Smell/Touch (He sniffed her ear, it felt soft.) Touch/Taste (She stepped in her mashed potatoes and said, "This gravy is too salty.") Taste/Sound (With his tounge on the speaker he could hear the music quite well.

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Eric Sherman
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Refering to Mr. Stone's recent post:

"1. Someone releases a virus that alters the human genome to eliminate agressive behavior.

2. Relatively advanced aliens conquer Earth and sterilize any human who displays violent tendencies (as well as the parents, siblings, and offspring of such people) in order to produce a peaceful slave race."


This is going much better than any solo attempts at this that I have tried!

1+My thoughts- There could be conflict over the ethics involved in changing our genetics. Or, what if we do this, and an alien invader comes to Earth? Would we have relearn our aggresive tendancies?

I think if idea one was combines with idea two, we'd have a decent story idea in the works.

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I like those genetic manipulation ideas...they are still counter-evolutionary, though, even if they are plausible. As Sherman suggested, what if a hostile alien race comes to call? We would be wiped out at best, enslvaed at worse. (Notice my priorities. ) But it could still make for a good story.
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As a newcomer to this discussion, I'm just going to pick a topic and throw some thoughts ‘out there.’ If I need to be redirected, please let me know...it wouldn't be the first time.

In the communication arena, I recently toyed with an idea involving a species possessing glands in its equivalence of a ‘mouth’ (though the concept is certainly not limited to such a region, specifically). This system would allow members of the species to manipulate the color and scent of saliva secretions, which would be spit onto the ground, a nearby surface, or, and this is where the concept took a patently 'gross' turn, on each other as a primary means of communication.

Basically, the aliens would ‘speak’ by spitting colors (some of which could be well beyond the human visual range) all over the place. Complexity could be added by including the aforementioned 'scent' factor. I've already written a few tentative (and amusing) scenes involving human vs. alien interaction, purely for the benefit of the concept. Fortunately, all has remained sufficiently generalized at this point to justify posting the idea here. Have at it!

If I can think of a few comments on the other issues (after I've digested them sufficiently, at least) I'll be sure to post again…though I’m not sure you’ll want me to after reading this one. Especially if you were eating….


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quote:
what if we do this, and an alien invader comes to Earth?

"Your superior intellects are no match for _our_ puny weapons."




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The aliens are returning to earth. They only left it while it cooled off, and now they are coming back to populate it. But what's this? Who are these creatures crawling all over it and messing it all up? (I declare, it's getting so you can't leave the galaxy these days without someone coming in and fiddling with your stuff.) Well, these humans will just have to go back to where they came from! But where did they come from...?
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Where did they come from?

It's interesting that we are becoming the aliens. anyways,


I say they came from Pakistan, not the country but the planet, the country just seems to be named after it because that's where the ship landed. and the secret to the human race lies in Pakistan. (country not planet.)

Lol on the spitting, just think about the kind of recording devices they would have.


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Hmmm...let's see...P'Kih Staun ???

Yeah, a spaceboatload of humans leave from there looking for a nice planet. Not to hot (Mercury--they hit the sunside), and not too cold(Pluto) but juuust right--Earth.


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Just correcting a common misconception here -- Mercury isn't actually tidally locked to the sun. It was just assumed for a very long time that it would be. It actually rotates completely every 2/3 of an orbit. Reference here: http://www.mira.org/fts0/planets/092/text/txt001x.htm
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Hey, what if they, (the aliens) had no senses at all.

And then a Giant monkey jumps out and makes them all into strudel?


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Then they wouldn't notice being made into strudel by a monkey, now, would they?
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I've played with aliens who have *different* senses from humans....they detect things about the universe that we are incapable of detecting. The trouble is, this doesn't end up making for a good story because humans have no way of relating. So instead, I wrote a story in which the aliens could not be seen by humans because the light they reflected was not in humans' visual spectrum.

Speaking of light....I learned why all trees are green (as opposed to some other color) last week. I had never really thought of it before, but it will be quite useful in creating more realistic alien worlds.


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Speaking of different senses, what about aliens with a completely different sense of humor?

Human humor is generally based on incongruity of some sort. (That's probably a subject for a whole new thread.)

But what if alien humor is based on a completely different concept, such as symmetry? (Perhaps most lifeforms on their world are asymmetrical.)


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If the light that aliens reflect is outside of our visual spectrum, then they would appear black, not invisible. To be invisible, they would have to be transparent to all the light that is in our visual spectrum.
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quote:
Speaking of light....I learned why all trees are green (as opposed to some other color) last week. I had never really thought of it before, but it will be quite useful in creating more realistic alien worlds

OK, this one's got me confused. I briefly guessed 'because green is the complement of the strongest component of sunlight', but green is the complement of magenta, and I don't think there's a whole load of magenta in sunlight. So... why green?


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Chloroplasts are green, plants need lots of them, they end up green.

There isn't any really inherent reason for clorophyl to be green, that is just the color that clorophyl happens to be. Just as mammalian hemoglobin tends to be red...but not all hemoglobin is particularly red or even red at all.


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Mamallian blood is primarily blue. It's red when exposed to oxygen.


Rux

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Actually, there is a good reason for chlorophyl to be green, one that's directly related to its function. Chlorophyl absorbs light during photosynthesis. It absorbs what we see as red, so the reflected light is perceived as green. The wavelengths are very specific.

You could posit a chlorophyl analog that absorbs a different wavelength, and it would be a different color. (There are other, minor chemicals that absorb different wavelengths in leaves--why do you think they change color in the fall?) You could also posit some evolutionary reason for there to be a different chemical that imparts a stronger color, covering the color of the chlorophyl, if you want your trees to be some other color. (There are a few species of trees on Earth that are like that. And notice that not all trees are the same shade of green, even though chlorophyl is chlorophyl, more or less.)

Likewise, there's a function-related reason hemoglobin is red. Hemoglobin is a protein, which in and of itself isn't terribly colorful, but it has four heme groups (an organic chemical), each holding an iron ion. Hemoglobin's oxygen carrying capacity is based on those iron ions at the center of the heme groups, and so is its color. That's also why oxygenated blood is a different color from deoxygenated blood--the color of the iron changes when it's complexed with the oxygen. (That's also why carbon monoxide changes the color of blood; the complex is, again, a different color.)

If it isn't red, it probably isn't hemoglobin; it's some other compound that carries out the same function.

Sorry for the biochemistry lecture, but you pushed one of my buttons. As an undergrad, I spent an entire semester studying hemoglobin in one course! It is helpful to understand these things when doing worldbuilding, though. Granted, you can achieve a realistic world with just basic knowledge of most disciplines, but it helps to have one that you're really on top of, to get the details that really make it work.


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Actually, the idea that mammalian blood is blue is a misconception. True, your veins do look blue under your skin (and I can't explain exactly why that's true), but the blood isn't blue, it's red. Not the same shade of red as arterial blood, but red.

Have you ever given blood? It goes more or less directly from a vein, through the needle and tubing, into a closed bag (which isn't full of air). And it's red. It's not being exposed to any significant amount of oxygen along the way.


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Actually, there is a good reason for chlorophyl to be green, one that's directly related to its function. Chlorophyl absorbs light during photosynthesis. It absorbs what we see as red, so the reflected light is perceived as green. The wavelengths are very specific.

OK, this is why I'm getting confused. The 'absorbing red' thing seemed fairly natural to me, until I thought about it, and worked out that something that absorbs red will appear cyan (i.e. it will reflect both green and blue light). Leaves must absorb magenta (i.e. a mixture a red of blue) in order to reflect only green. Unless I'm getting _very_ confused about colours.


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Here's the thing that's special about the color green, and the probably reason why, in evolutionary terms, chlorphyll became green rather than some other color. If it had been black, for example, that means that it would have absorbed ALL the light from the sun and not reflected back anything. In that way of thinking, maybe green is a little inefficient, since it doesn't capture all the sunlight. But if chlorophyll was black, the plants would probably burst into flame. It would be too much. Likewize, is the color went the other way down the wavelength scale, let say to white, which reflects back ALL the colors, then the plant would not get any su7nlight.

So it seems likely, if your scifi planet had a cooler sun, that the leaves would want to stray to the blues and beyond along the wavelength line, to try to capture as much of the dim light as they could. On the other hand, if the sun is very hot, the plants might end up being more yellow because even the green absorption is too much.

But yes, what Eljay and Survivor said are absolutely true. The question was more along the lines of...why green, and why not some other color?


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quote:
The 'absorbing red' thing seemed fairly natural to me, until I thought about it, and worked out that something that absorbs red will appear cyan (i.e. it will reflect both green and blue light). Leaves must absorb magenta (i.e. a mixture a red of blue) in order to reflect only green

Actually you're correct. Something that appears green absorbs all light except green. So green chlorophyl is absorbing all of the red and blue light.

For those interested, the color wheel for paint has nothing to do with the color wheel for light. Here's a site that goes into the mechanics of how we perceive color.
http://acept.la.asu.edu/PiN/rdg/color/composition.shtml OR you can go here http://www.thestagecrew.com/Pages/Chapters/stagecraft_lights/color.html which deals with color in a little more understandable fashion.


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