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djvdakota
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I need help from someone. Quickly. I'm in the middle of a critique and suffering from a brain cramp. I need to know how to describe the following tense and/or POV.

(This is an example. It is only an example. Any similarity to any actual writing is purely coincidental.)

<I open the door. I look around the room. I see the last person I expect to see. It is djvdakota. She is smoking a cigar and painting the ceiling an awful shade of purple.>


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MaryRobinette
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First person present tense for "I open the door." "She is smoking..." is present perfect, as opposed to "she smokes..."

[This message has been edited by MaryRobinette (edited August 18, 2004).]


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djvdakota
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Ok. Got it. Thanks Mary. Having fun in Iceland yet?

My dilemma isn't quite solved yet. Hmm. How do I put this...

OK. I guess I'll just have to insert some of what I'm critiquing.

How do you describe the difference between this:
I stop shaving to listen to that beautiful ad.

and this:
I love riding around in those little golf carts, coming face to face with the common man.???

One has a sense of immediacy as if the narrator is telling what is happening at this moment. The second has a sense of conveying his feelings. The first is the first line of narrative voice in the piece and makes me wonder if the entire piece is going to be written this way, as in the example in my original post. The second more accurately reflects the true voice of the piece--First person present tense, but an easier form of it. Warmer, less cold?

How do I describe that clearly to the person for whom I'm critiquing?


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shadowynd
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Ah, MR beat me to it! *waves to MR in Iceland* Isn't the 'net a wonderful creation??

[Edit] Okay, I deleted my original post (in which I basically said I would never want to read even a short short written that way) because I was proven wrong. *g*

I did crit the piece you are working on now, and aside from the change in tense that you posted, it didn't bother me too much. BECAUSE!!

Because, for me, it worked in that piece; Because, for me, it was a part of the characterization.

To me, it added to, and was reflective of, the highly egotistical, narcissistic and hedonistic nature of the main character.

This was a very rare instance that this POV and tense DID work for me.

But that doesn't answer your question of how to phrase your crit, does it?

Susan

[This message has been edited by shadowynd (edited August 18, 2004).]


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djvdakota
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I beat you to it too. That one line (above) is the ONLY line like that. But I'm trying to explain to the writer what the problem is and what she needs to do to change it.
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MaryRobinette
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I just read this one and have to do my crit too. The difference between the two is perhaps the verb; in the first sentance the tense seems odd because we start with "stop", an action has a beginning and an definite end. Feelings, on the other hand, can continue and can be naturally sustained longer than an action. In the past I loved riding, I still love riding, I will still love riding. When I stop shaving, in real life, that moment moves so quickly into the past that it seems more naturally there.

Does that help?


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The first one sounds like the person describing their actions, almost like he is outside himself. The second one the person is describing who he is.

i.e

I would use the first sentence if I was having an out-of-body experience, I can also imagine using it for a hypnotic flashblack.

The second sounds like internal musing and more emotionally personal.

my 2ยข!

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djvdakota
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Thanks all. Very helpful.
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Dakota,

I'm probably too late since you were in a hurry, but too bad, I'm saying this anyway.

In your second example, both examples were clearly in first person present tense. It wasn't the tense that was different, but the topic. The first example ("I stop shaving to listen to that beautiful ad.") describes action in present tense, which is almost always a mistake. (Exceptions exist.) The second ("I love riding around in those little golf carts, coming face to face with the common man.") refers to a condition which lasts, thus it can sometimes be used successfully even in the middle of a passage that is otherwise in past tense. It means that "I love it now, even as I write these words about something that happened long ago." It also implies that you loved it at the time of the story, unless you say otherwise explicitly.

Oh, and by the way: "She is smoking..." is present progressive, not present perfect. The latter would be "She has smoked..."


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Yeah.
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Drat. Wrong twice in as many days. Mr. Fisher and Survivor-san are correct.

http://www.englishpage.com/verbpage/presentperfect.html


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