Hatrack River Writers Workshop   
my profile login | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Hatrack River Writers Workshop » Forums » Open Discussions About Writing » On Writing Well

   
Author Topic: On Writing Well
Creativity Rising
Member
Member # 2666

 - posted      Profile for Creativity Rising   Email Creativity Rising         Edit/Delete Post 
I’m going through my second read of On Writing Well: The Classic Guide to Writing Nonfiction by Zinsser, William Knowlton.

In 300 pages Zinsser covers a lot of territory. Which he better, since his aim is to rid the English language of clutter. A complete genocide of unnecessary adverbs, meaningless diction and redundacies.

For example he points out how overused is the adverb “personal.” “My personal thoughts…” for example is in clear violation of clutter. They’re my thoughts therefore they are personal. Same goes for “your personal physician.” What’s wrong with simply “your doctor?” “My personal opinion…” is another he knocks down. It’s your opinion after all, he’s assumes it’s personal…

And for the writer of non-fiction Zinsser frankly states that you have to state your opinion. But what’s your opinion worth? According to Zinsser: plenty. No one has an opinion just like yours. Don't try to camouflage it with the notorious “…one would prefer that Dr. Hiddelman’s views on evolution were a little more down to Earth…” Zinseer says he hopes he never gets to me thus “one” fellow.

Writing is an act of ego, he says, and you’ll progress faster once you admit it. When I read that it felt like a shackle (ironically created by my ego) was suddenly loosened.

A great book which the New York Times says “belongs on any shelf of serious reference works for writers." Its focus is non-fiction, but I would say the novelist to the poet would find most of its content invaluable.

In creativity rising,

John


Posts: 34 | Registered: Jun 2005  | Report this post to a Moderator
Survivor
Member
Member # 213

 - posted      Profile for Survivor   Email Survivor         Edit/Delete Post 
My personal feelings, thoughts, and actions are often very different from my impersonal ones. It is not an unnecessary usage at all. Some people may overuse it, but it isn't overused at all.

The same thing is true with attributing views, feelings, or opinions to "one" or another. Since I have personal preferences in things, if follows that I have impersonal thoughts on the matter as well. I often mention points in a story that didn't confuse me, but could confuse someone else. Or things that didn't offend me, but could be offensive. And so on.

Still, just because I disagree with some of the points being made, that doesn't mean the book isn't worth anything. It just means that I disagree with those points.


Posts: 8322 | Registered: Aug 1999  | Report this post to a Moderator
Spaceman
New Member
Member # 9240

 - posted      Profile for Spaceman           Edit/Delete Post 
I'm typing this on my personal PERSONAL COMPUTER.
Posts: 2 | Registered: Aug 2010  | Report this post to a Moderator
Survivor
Member
Member # 213

 - posted      Profile for Survivor   Email Survivor         Edit/Delete Post 
You were supposed to say something like, "And you do so personally "

Darn it. I spoon fed you that line.

Or you could have taken the point I didn't address...maybe someone else will do it.


Posts: 8322 | Registered: Aug 1999  | Report this post to a Moderator
Robert Nowall
Member
Member # 2764

 - posted      Profile for Robert Nowall   Email Robert Nowall         Edit/Delete Post 
There are lots of things overused. I, personally, find things likes "spaceport" and "starship" somewhat irritating. Personally, I think a true widespread interstellar culture, when using spaceports and starships, would likely think of them as "ports" and "ships," and possibly say "seaport" or "oceanship" instead.

(The show "NewsRadio" once made use of this to make jokes: when somebody complained about how cold it was in a "space pod," somebody else said he'd buy a "space heater.")


Posts: 8809 | Registered: Aug 2005  | Report this post to a Moderator
Spaceman
New Member
Member # 9240

 - posted      Profile for Spaceman           Edit/Delete Post 
I don't know...there's a big difference to me between a port and an airport.
Posts: 2 | Registered: Aug 2010  | Report this post to a Moderator
J
Member
Member # 2197

 - posted      Profile for J   Email J         Edit/Delete Post 
Zinnser sounds like my kind of guy. I'm going to have to find a copy of his book.
Posts: 683 | Registered: Oct 2004  | Report this post to a Moderator
Christine
Member
Member # 1646

 - posted      Profile for Christine   Email Christine         Edit/Delete Post 
Personally, I get annoyed by people telling me what words to use and not use.

I always go back to a college English professor whose grades were entirely based on whether or not I included the words "it" and "that" in the paper. Those were, in his opinion, the overused words.

Words are overused when I overuse them. If I start saying "personal" or "personally" every other paragraph then yes, I'm overusing it. If everything is "it" to the point that it is difficult to figure out what "it" is referring to, then I'm overusing it. If nearly every verb is modified with an adverb, and most of those adverbs don't change much or matter much, then I'm overusing them.

Until this happens, I'm going to let my own voice control the words on the page.


Posts: 3567 | Registered: May 2003  | Report this post to a Moderator
   

   Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Hatrack River Home Page

Copyright © 2008 Hatrack River Enterprises Inc. All rights reserved.
Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited.


Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2