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Christine
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Time is a valuable commodity for me, especially recently. As I look into the future, wondering how, precisely, to spend that time, I find myself questioning my short story writing.

The thing is, I like writing novels. I've always liked writing novels. I find short stories to be unfulfilling (both to read and to write). At best, I think people can write clever short stories that make us think, but I almost never feel that the issues or characters are thouroughly explored. Worse, I don't think I write very good short stories. Even after two years of working on them, I don't find that my recent stuff is much better than my original attempts.

All that is ranting. I don't want to talk about how to write short stories or how they are better/worse than novels. It boils down to a personal preference. What I want to know is:

Do I NEED to write short stories?

That is, will it help me in some way? Will it make my novels easier to sell if I can get some short stories sold? Will honing the craft in a short story format help me to hone it in a novel format?

Opinions? Facts? Citations?


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pantros
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Absolutely not - You never have to write another short story again.

Are they a waste of time? If they affect your motivation negatively, they are worse than that.

If you are writing short stories just so that other people will feedback your work, so that you may improve your style - don't There are places you can go to get feedback on a chapter by chapter basis.

Write what you enjoy to write. Your work will benefit from your enjoyment.


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pantros
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I can't say one way or another with any certainty that its easier to get a short story published and then easier to get a novel published if you have successfully published a short story.

You might want to try writing a novel in serial format, where each chapter can be published seperately - in order. There is a market for this that might bridge the short story/novel gap for you.


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Beth
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I believe it's a little easier to get a novel published if you have some good short story credits. I believe you learn a lot from writing short stories.

But if you hate writing short stories, don't bother. It is not required.


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mikemunsil
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Critters.org is a good place to go to get novel chapters critted. Takes a while to get in line, but if you'd rather write novels it is worth it.
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Ditto what Beth said.
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rcorporon
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I'm glad you asked this. I feel the same way. I try to write short stories, as most authors say that it is the best way to start, but I think that my short stories are horrible. Their suckage is nearly unmeasurable.

So I stopped. Now, I focus only on what I like to write. I'm slaving away at my novel now, and if I can get it published, great. If not, I am having a blast telling the story, so to me that is all that matters.

I'd say, much the same as posted above, just write what you want to write.

Ronnie


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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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quote:
Do I NEED to write short stories?

no


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Their suckage is nearly unmeasurable.

I disagree. But if you feel that way, then write on your novel. This is for you, after all.


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Boy, can I relate to this post. Is it neccesary? No. Will it help you as a writer? That depends. It's kind of like asking if whether writing for a TV show will make you a better movie script writer...or vice versa, I'm not sure with that analogy But yeah, write what you enjoy and don't force yourself into working on something you hate if you feel that it's not helping.
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You've spent two years on short stories, that's long enough to decide, I think.

Christine, just do what's right for you.


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rcorporon
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I disagree. But if you feel that way, then write on your novel. This is for you, after all.

Just curious, seeing as how I've never let anybody else read my short stories, how would you know?

I am, however, happy that you have more confidence in my short story ability than I do .

Ronnie


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Christine
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Not having read your stories, I would at least disagree with the idea that their suckage is "unmeasurable." Immeasurable? Maybe, but I doubt even that. I'm pretty good at measuring suckage.

I think the one thing that keeps me writing short stories even though I'm not all that fond of them is that novels can take years to write, let alone sell, and let alone publish. Short stories give you a small measured step of accomplishment, however much they suck. Moreover, you can often find someone to publish even bad short stories.

Then I realized what part of the problem was. I'm trying to force myself to write in this way...force myself to get a certain volume of stories out there so I can keep up with the people who have fifty short stories out at markets. One story a week was a goal for a while, and then one story a month. I have to force myself to come up with something.

But every so often I come upw ith an idea that begs for a short story format. I did this a couple of weeks ago, and I am actually wanting to write that story.

So maybe this question isn't so much about time wasting as the idea of writing for the market rather than for the self.


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I can't add much to what's already been said: yes, having a track record of short stories will help you sell your novel (although only if they are at venues that are not so obscure the editor has never heard of them). But, ultimately, there's no point in forcing yourself to write short stories if you don't enjoy it, and personally I don't hold much score by writing for the market. You write for yourself first and foremost. Otherwise it's nothing more than potboilers (although, of course, it can be hard selling the stuff you like writing ...)
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quote:
force myself to get a certain volume of stories out there so I can keep up with the people who have fifty short stories out at markets

The trouble is, this is not a competition. Some people sell most of what they write. They are professional writers. the rest of us sell what works to some specific editor. who cares if you keep up. Write at your own pace and your own length and your own style and your own everything. Don't bother to try adapting to people who aren't buying your work.

Samual R. Delany's short story in the Harlan Ellison anthology Dangerous Visions anthology was his first short story. He was a novelist and only wrote the short story at Ellison's request.

Don't worry about the years a novel takes to finish, because if that puts you off, it will only take longer, because that clock doesn't even start ticking until the first word is typed. besides, when you're marketing book #1, you are writing book #2 and time flies. Just keep plugging away and you'll eventually look back and see how far you've come.

[This message has been edited by Spaceman (edited December 16, 2005).]


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luapc
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Most books and editors give the advice to write to the market, but I agree with Silver3. Write the story first, then find the markets that fit it best. There are many publishers out there, so you should find a few where your story might fit.

The important thing is to keep writing regularly and consistently so you are always producing new work, and honing your craft. I don't think you have to write short stories to do that, but I think most writers find it easier to start with short stories. In this age of immediate gratification and short attention spans, it allows the time necessary for beginnning writers to understand the craft of writing and that it takes hard work and persistence. If they don't catch on, then they find out soon enough.

You are definitely not a beginning writer Christine, so you've obviously passed this initial barrier. You understand the craft and have honed your skills, so write what you enjoy.

Also, if you want to make a living writing, then short stories alone are definitely not going to pay the bills. Sooner or later if you want to be serious about making a living at it, you have to write novels anyway.


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Robert Nowall
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This discussion gives me a feeling that (1) in order to get a novel considered it is better to have first published some short stories first, but (2) in order to get one's short stories considered it is better to have first published a novel. Seems to contain inner contradictions.

Ah, well. I've long since put all my writing on a "writing whatever I want" basis, and that includes length. I leave it up to the market to accept or reject, and as far as any paying market goes, it's always been the latter.


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pantros
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Everything is easier if you have a proven track record.

However, the established path for writers is Short Story then Novel.

But, there are many authors who jump right into novel writing without ever publishing a short story. Its a more difficult path, but if short stories are not your thing, its the only path.


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luapc
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From what I've read and heard, Pantros is right--the usual path is short stories, then novels.

Something to consider too is where your stories are published. If you manage to achieve the supreme honor of publishing in say, The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, or Asimov's, then that will go a long way to giving you recognition without publishing a lot.

Winning prizes in well thought of contests like the Writers of the Future Contest can also give boosts to your recognition level. Once you have the recognition, I hear it gets easier to publish other works.

Of course, these sources are all short story publishers and contests. I think publishing a book might do just as much in the novel writing side, but then we're back to which to do first. I really don't know, but it's probably better to stick to the most common method of short stories first.


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I personally like to write short stories. I know that most if not all of mine will never get anywhere, its still a creative outlet when I'm stuck in the book I'm writing. Most of the short story ideas get incorperated into my final work. Hey, just do what you gotta do.
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Robert Nowall
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lupac's comment (which I'm now able to read as I write since the second scroll feature was pointed out to me) about magazines reminds me that, way back when I started this, I started sending my stuff to Analog, F & SF, Galaxy, and Amazing (and generally in that order).

Well, Galaxy and Amazing are no more (or, if they still are, I'm unaware of it). Asimov's emerged shortly after I started. A whole bunch have come and gone since.

Having something substantial published in Analog, Asimov's, or F & SF...man, that'd do it for me. That's what I got into this to do. I'd be relatively happy with publication elsewhere, major market (say, Playboy or the New Yorker) or minor market (pretty much anybody's magazine) but, really, it's those three that I'm most eager to shove my stuff on.

(I've had letters in four of the five I've mentioned above...it's hardly the same thing.)


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Beth
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You see publication in the New Yorker as a tolerable alternative to your top 3? Interesting.
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I think that having published stories is a bonus, but if you write a great novel, then a publisher will buy it. Simple as that.
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I tend to take the cynical view on that and mention that it needs to reach the publisher first. It gets harder and harder those days.

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Robert Nowall
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Naturally, the New Yorker rejected everything I sent them---but usually after a science fiction magazine rejected it first. I was just going through the motions.

Another motivator would be money. I'd hoped to make a living writing---I've long given up that hope and am trying for enough chump change to help pay for the groceries.

I couldn't do that with short stories in magazines. If you adjust for inflation, they're paying less than they did back in the thirties, even if I sold every word I wrote.

So it's a labor of love, pure and simple. I try to see that what I write is the best it can possibly be. I think it is, and I also think it's as good as some of what's been published in my lifetime. It'd be nice to have some validation of my own opinions...


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