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CoriSCapnSkip
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Here is a two-minute video clip from June 24th, 2006, in Santa Barbara, of Ray Bradbury speaking to would-be writers, submitted by Nard Kordell. Using the link below, count down to the 8th video, the one titled, "Bradbury speaks about WRITING!"

Ray Bradbury's writing inspires me, and so usually does his advice, but I must admit a lot of times his advice on writing fills me with dismay, making me feel I'm doing it all wrong and not making proper progress on doing it right.

Don't mistake this as disagreement, because I actually agree and don't pretend to know different, let alone better, than Mr. Bradbury, but I can't help thinking that no one should "get the hell out" of writing or ANYTHING just because it isn't fun ALL THE TIME. That smacks way too much of quitting. Certainly, perhaps people who don't have a talent at one thing and *can* do something else might try to express themselves in other ways, but people with a real talent sometimes have to work to develop that talent although it may not be fun all the time.

Actually, I agree with what he says. I never forget the story of a man who'd worked hard to learn to play the cello and went to a Yo Yo Ma concert for further inspiration. Unfortunately, he said his career was finished partway into the first piece because Yo Yo Ma was so TERRIFICALLY good he was having fantastic fun at it, where to this other fellow it was work. So, I guess he quit, at least the idea of playing professionally, but because one person is better at the cello than 99% of the rest of humanity, enough to have fun with what would be a struggle to most people, does that really mean that NO ONE else should EVER play the cello? If nothing else, knowing something about it gives them an appreciation of what he's really able to accomplish.

Ray also once said the only real failure is stoppage, and a continued effort is not failure. Educated guess here is that many a creative endeavor does start out fun, and even end up that way, but with varying degrees of struggle in between. Do any writers care to comment?


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Pyre Dynasty
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Where is a video clip?

As to what you wrote:
I think it boils down to love. You have to love this or it isn't worth it. (Most people think that you only love something if it's fun or you are enjoying it, but think of a child that you love and also think of the time that they have broken something that you care about. Sure your angry and not too happy with the kid but you still love them.)


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CoriSCapnSkip
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Ohhh...kaay...that was scary. I was sure I posted a link to a You Tube video. Hope this works:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search=netcinema&search_...videos&search=Search

Yes, he speaks here about passion, and I agree. Look at fights between people who are in love. Aren't they going to be more intense than fights between just acquaintances? Like I said, not "all" fun, and maybe this is just a case of me taking things wrong.


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Very few things are exactly "fun" all the time. Even good video games have moments of frustration that makes reaching the goal all the more rewarding.
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I can totally relate to what he's saying though. Sure, it doesn't have to be fun all the time, but it should be fun most of the time. Why torture yourself? I know people who are in theater and bitch all the time. It makes me furious because there are people who want to be there, and these jaded folks are taking up all the spots. Life is too short.
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“But for any writer worthy of the name there are moments during the writing process when the rest of the planet might as well have gone to Venus. And those moments are not for sale.”

Maria Lenhart

The more often those moments happen, the happier I am with writing, even if what ends up on the page is crap. But I'd like it much better if I had more of those moments, and if those moments produced something I can make a living selling. Or maybe I'm overlooking a vast fertilizer market somewhere...


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A lot of people suffer from the belief that you get paid as comphensation for your suffering. They think that if they start showing that they enjoy something, they won't get paid. Unfortunately, if they see you enjoying what you do, they'll be reluctant to pay you. So a lot of people pretend to be that sort of person just because it makes getting paid easier.

Other people get the notion that those people are wrong, and therefore you should get paid to do whatever you like doing. Or, if that idea is just too silly, then it's what you're really good at doing.

Of course, you get paid to do things because what you do is valuable to someone else. How much you get paid does have roots in whether anyone else is willing or able to do it. But as long as you're willing to stop doing it if you don't get paid, then whether you enjoy it or not isn't important to the question of how much you should be paid.

Of course, I don't do very many things I'd be willing to stop doing just because I wasn't getting paid enough. But then again, there are a lot of things I would do if I was getting paid to do them. But usually people only offer me money to do things I'm not going to do no matter what. I don't really get that.


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Robert Nowall
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One of the themes of my comments on the Internet Fan Fiction thread, lost in among all my interminable other comments and arguments, was that I wanted to get back to having fun while writing...something that I'd lost in the "write and be rejected" phase of my career...
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Obviously people pay others to do jobs they won't do, which makes most jobs objectionable and makes it all the more imperative that I find a way to get paid for writing. It's the amount of time and energy I spend worrying about it that actually bothers me the most, so when someone comes along and says I am all wrong not to be having fun, it sort of pushes me past the limit of my usual anxiety and into annoyance.
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Fun is hard work and often frustrating. It's the best kind of fun. Like trying to learn how to juggle. If I thought juggling was the most fun thing in the world, I'd learn how to do it. I don't think it's fun at all, so I don't even try. If I thought it was mildly amusing, I might learn to toss three or four balls in the air at the same time and quit there. I'll certainly never practice until I can juggle flaming chairs and unicyclists. Because juggling not my idea of fun.

But writing is fun, even though I'm not getting paid for it and I'm pulling out my hair trying to do it. I enjoy it, so I will keep practicing. If I practice long enough, I bet I'll be one of the very few writers who gets paid to write. Maybe that's why writing better be fun, because we get paid the most, not for doing what others won't, but for doing what others can't. A doctor gets paid more than a plumber because it's easier to become a plumber than to become a doctor.

Few writers practice enough to be successful, and very few can be successful without (unpaid, often frustrating) practice. The ones who do put in those long years are probably enjoying themselves, at least often enough to make it worth their time.


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You know, I enjoy writing short pieces, like conversations, reviews, and opinions on the Internet. I guess it's the pressure of writing fiction that makes it seem not fun, as my future existence is riding on it.
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Fun is such a "froth and bubble" word. I enjoy writing the same way I enjoy gardening.

I don't like weeding so much as planting out and prefer cutting the lawn to trimming edges; that sort of thing. When the job is done I'm happy I spent the time doing the boring bits, especially when the result is good.

It's satisfying.

[This message has been edited by hoptoad (edited July 05, 2006).]


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CoriSCapnSkip
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Yes, writing is like gardening in many ways. I don't even mind the work so much, it's the terrible pressure of feeling what I write needs to be "professional level," which I don't feel with gardening or anything else.
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I loved Survivals post.
I think most of the things you do in life should be fun. But I can also thing of things I do now for pleasure that I hated when I started doing them: eating vegetables and running come to mind.
The best moments of life often come after hard work. But then, I am one of those cracy people who like to work. Oh, ok, sometimes... well maybe occasionally... when I feel like it... when I'm otherwise bored...

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I find writing so much fun that I want to get paid to do it, so I can do it all the time.
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