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muranternet
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I have two shorts where there are several layers of theme, and they both have problems. I'm not sure how to fix them without making them completely obtuse.

The first is a first person vernacular fantasy where the world shifts around from the (uneducated) narrator's perspective. All is fine and dandy until the ending. Things get deliberately confusing in the second-to-last section, and at the end things shift a lot, but there's a very specific reason for it, and a specific event that happens. Since the narrator is not clear on why this is, he can't explain, but there are clues in the last section dialogue, the way specific words are emphasized and how they refer to an earlier event. The thing is, although 5 different people have read it and all have liked it, I've gotten 5 completely different answers to, "What do you think happens at the end?" I like some ambiguity here, but nobody seems to have gotten the key event.

The other one is a pantheistic spoof, where the primary conceit is shown in a slow reveal in the opening conversation. (I know, 13 lines, but it was my first rough.) Everyone except one person has gotten the joke, but that one person was extremely vocal about how she felt insulted because she didn't get the joke. Normally I'd ignore the one person out of eight that didn't get the joke, but I'm very conscious about the line in reveals between the reader saying, "Ah, I get it, now I feel smart," and, "This writer is a jerk." I've since rewritten the opening to make it more obvious, but now I wonder if I've spoiled it for the people who like to figure things out.

So where's the line? How do you judge when you're showing enough for the reader to get the clear picture, as opposed to shoveling it in their faces until they think they're reading a coloring book?


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Robert Nowall
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I'm thinking you can get away with wrapping even a long novel up in a few pages, or even a few words, right at the end. It'd have to work, though---and if your first readers "don't get it," probably an editor or publisher won't get it, either. Try to make it clearer.
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muranternet
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I guess I'm asking about the degree of the show. I know I need to make those two pieces clearer, but I guess I'm trying to avoid a Scooby Doo "here's everything that just happened minus all thinking" show. I know I personally dislike those as a reader, but I also know there are some readers who get annoyed if there's not a signpost at every plot point. Trying to find the correct balance.

Guess I need more practice. (type type type)


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Natej11
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If an event or bit of information is important to explaining what's happening in the end, it might help if you bring it up more than once. If you just mention it once people might not notice it or see it as important, but if it's in there twice then it will stick in their head.

Of course, the key to that is mentioning it subtly enough that the reader doesn't feel like you're shouting "HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING!"

If it's a character twist, where you have someone who's viewed one way and then at the end you suddenly see their true nature, it helps to try to work in hints of that nature even while you're pushing the other view. In my current WiP one of my characters seems like a truly supporting friend who's constantly pushing a PoV character to excel, and although you have hints that he's kind of a jerk you don't see until the very end just how terrible his actions and motivations have been all along.

The important thing is to try to make the twist a surprise, but put in enough information that it's not completely out of nowhere, so that people can go back for a second look and see all the hints leading up to it.


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quote:
How do you judge when you're showing enough for the reader to get the clear picture, as opposed to shoveling it in their faces until they think they're reading a coloring book?

This is a good question...I just finished reading a book where I thought the author went a little too far at explaining everything. I'm one of those obtuse readers who takes most things at face value, but even I had to say "OK, there is absolutely no reason for the author to keep mentioning this person unless she's going to be the person he has to fight at the end."

The thing that was missing in this particular book was another purpose for that character. She kept showing up, and then leaving in a way that was supposed to be mysterious, but no other possible reason for her actions was ever even hinted at.

I know I'm not answering the intent of your question here, and yet somehow I think it's all interrelated...You can give a lot of information as long as you hide it amongst a lot of red herrings.

For an ending, it might work to have your characters be the obtuse ones. If they can carry that load and ask the right questions:

i.e. "So why the hell did you hire that assassin to kill the regents if you were hoping to save their life? Give me one good reason why I shouldn't have you strung up by your toes right now."

If you ask them in a smooth enough way, hopefully your readers won't feel talked down to.


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muranternet I don't think the line you're talking about is fixed, and the correct balance depends on your target audience. Adult speculative fiction readers are not a homogeneous group. They are of all backgrounds, IQ's and education levels. Like you said, some will prefer things to be spelled out while others prefer subtlty. I think you just have to decide who you're writing for and determine that the piece is understandable and ejoyable to that style of reader.
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Absolutely. What will be obvious to some readers will be opaque to others, and in some cases vice versa.

If 7 out of eight people got the one story, you've probably pitched it right - you are never going to have everyone read a story the same way and that seems like a pretty high success rate to me. If 0 out of 5 got the other, then you probably haven't got that one right.

"Right" itself being a subjective term, of course. As a writer, all you can do is put words on the page. Once they are there, you have to remember that the reader "owns" them, not the writer - however they read and interpret a story is valid TO THEM. It's not easy to accept as we all tend to be emotionally invested in what we write, and see there as being a "correct" interpretation; but it doesn't really work that way.


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