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InarticulateBabbler
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I Hope this causes less controversy. Here goes...


Pantroth moved through the city of Woodsedge upon the moonlit rooftops, just another nocturnal predator tracking its prey through the shadows. His eyes swept over the cramped metropolis with disdain. Cities surrounded by such high walls caged him in. Pantroth's gaze returned to the trader--the man he'd been paid to kill--whose brisk walk proved him unaware that death looked upon him from above. Dermit Alhmet had crossed the King of Mephise and he could not be allowed to live.

The rotund merchant flaunted his opulence with a ridiculous display of garish attire, a gold-coated walking stick, and two noticeable bodyguards. His insult to King Stonefire was probably long forgotten.


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The controversy was not yours. I take full responsibility for being abrasive at times ;-)

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Pantroth's gaze returned to the trader

Returned from where? Maybe "was locked on"?

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--the man he'd been paid to kill--

:-) With "and he could not be allowed to live," this feels a little blunt to me, but take it with the appropriately-sized grain of salt...

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... Dermit Alhmet had crossed the King of Mephise and he could not be allowed to live.

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His insult to King Stonefire was probably long forgotten


<irony>Now, I am a little confused that I don't know these people and places.</irony> It took me a bit of re-tracing to figure out that Stonefire is the King of Mephise, which is -- presumably -- the kingdom of Woodsedge...? With this detail included, I wanted to know what/who Stonefire and Mephise are. Two cents and all that...I got a bit lost with what felt like a bunch of people/places being mentioned too fast. Even as I write, I wonder if this will be a consensus view, but all I needed to know here was "The self-important trader had crossed the King, and could not be allowed to live." Dermit's name doesn't add anything at this point, but something to reveal the nature of his cross with the King might... Same with the king (maybe "The King"?)

Offered in cheerful helpfulness, and hopeful lack of controversy ;-)

Russ


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Max Masterson
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I would definetely echo undef's point about calling the king two diferent things.

Also I think your general writing style tends to be a bit heavy on descriptive words.

'moonlit' 'nocturnal' 'shadows' all give the same impression to me of it being at night. Maybe I'm wrong about this but I just find that if I'm reading word after word describing roughly the same thing I start to skip words.

But i definetely think this version is more informative about what's going on. I'd be more inclined to read on from this one rather than from the initial version.


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I second the two kings deal. I read it and didn't know if it was the same guy or what.

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just another nocturnal predator tracking its prey through the shadows

I'd get rid of this. It doesn't do anything for me.

You say cities with such high walls caged him in. How is it that he's seen more than one city if hes caged in? I'm sure the answer is in your story, but this sentence only confuses the reader. I think you should try to focus more on the moment rather than trying to explain the world in your opening. Focus on Pantroth's hunt without his duty to the King of Mephise (though you should make it clear that Alhmet is not a random kill). Despite my advice, I find it hard to catch a reader with action sequences.


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Howdy! Definitely an improvement over the original opening. By staying with one POV, I was much more into the story. Aside from the two names/one king thing, I saw nothing wrong with what you have. To say the least, I was hooked.
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Last try:

Pantroth moved through the city of Woodsedge on the moonlit rooftops. His eyes swept with disdain over the cramped metropolis and its high city walls. Over two-thousand leagues and two countries, Pantroth followed the merchant, Dermit Alhmet. The assassin had waited for the trader to settle and get comfortable--to let down his guard. King Stonefire of Mephise, whose employ the assassin was in, had been insulted by the trader and Alhmet could not be allowed to live.

Oblivious to the danger, the rotund merchant flaunted his opulence with a ridiculous display of garish attire and gold-coated accoutrements. The Two bodyguards that flanked him wore ornate armor and reeked of perfumes and oils.


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Yeah I like this version. If this was the opening of a book I'd read more. I'd be anticipating action soon and and explanation of how the trader insulted the king.
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I like the previous version better, despite its problems. You seem to have lost your POV this time around; or rather, you seem to emphasize that you're NOT in Pantroth's POV. The previous version contains sentences that at least sound like they're in 3PLO ("Cities surrounded by such high walls caged him in"--not an objective, outside fact but a personal reaction; or "Dermit Alhmet had crossed the King of Mephise and he could not be allowed to live"--sounds like Pantroth's own intent here, rather than an objective fact or even the King's command). The rest of that version (except maybe the 1st sentence, which is all right) is at least readable as being from Pantroth's POV.

This version loses that feel entirely, making me feel disconnected from Pantroth, which makes the entire thing less interesting.

Also, you keep calling people by different names. Pantroth should always be Pantroth, not the assassin. Alhmet should be Alhmet or the trader, but don't switch back and forth (it's okay to say ". . . the trader, Dermit Alhmet, . . ." but after that pick one or the other).

It also is starting to feel a bit choppy and info-dumpish: a couple of sentences about Pantroth, then one which tries to connect him to the merchant, but is a bit confusing ("Over" originally gets read as meaning "More than"). Then "the assassin" and "had waited": when? Is this once Alhmet reached Woodsedge? Or just allowing lots of time for him to think that his insult has been forgotten? Finally, the explanatory line--which, since we're clearly NOT in Pantroth's POV, comes across as just stuck in there, rather than as something Pantroth might possibly be thinking. That is, infodump.

Okay, the above isn't advice exactly. Let me ask this: How much of this novel have you actually written? (You may have said this somewhere previously, but if so I don't recall it and I didn't want to go searching for it.) If you're working on just this part and you haven't gotten much further, then put this part away and go on. You'll learn more, faster, from working on the rest than on beating this into the ground.

If you're all finished with it, on the other hand, then put this part away and go work on something else for awhile. You need a fresh perspective, and you can't get that without taking a break from it.

I hope I don't sound too discouraging. I actually thought the previous version was not too bad, though it could use some touching up. But I'm afraid that you've reached the point of over-editing, where (and this can happen to anyone) you begin to take the life out of the writing by trying to address every little problem, or trying to satisfy every single reader or critiquer.


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I've found your last few versions reasonably good, though not perfect.

Granted, I do believe in perfection, but if we demand it in every single passage before reading the next, we'll never get anywhere.

I'll go ahead and give you a detailed rundown of what I would change in this last version, but just as a sample. I'm already open to reading a chapter or so of this story.

First line, I would change "moved" to a more descriptive verb and shorten the rest to "across the moonlit rooftops of Woodsedge." This gives us a more detailed picture of what Pantros is actually doing...is he running, hopping, floating, scrambling, clambering, or what? It also cuts the clauses down and improves readability, we get his action (not picked yet), then the visual (moonlit) and setting (rooftops) and finally the background information (Woodsedge). I would change "metropolis" to a more derisive term, and say "cramped inside its high walls", since this applies the descriptor and other object together in a sensible relation. Naturally, whatever noun you use to replace "metropolis" should still make "city" redundant.

The next sentance needs to be in past perfect, and probably should be reordered. You have a couple of options. The most straightforward is to say "Pantroth had followed that money-grubbing peddler over two-thousand leagues, through two countries." You can leave his name for later, or you can mention it. Leaving it for later helps give the impression that Pantroth doesn't really care about his name so much, but could risk confusion later when you do mention it. The straightforward approach doesn't connect the city to Dermit or the distance in any way, which may be a lost opportunity. Perhaps Pantroth is delivering a message about the reach of King Stonefire's revenge as well as giving Dermit time to relax, perhaps Woodsedge is Dermit's home-town, or maybe some important persons in Woodsedge need a message short of being dead themselves. These are all things that could be hinted at, but aren't.

As I already indicated, following someone this far and killing him in another city has to be motivated by more than just waiting for him to let down his guard. However much he might let down his guard in a city, killing him there and getting away is much harder than if Pantroth had done the job somewhere on the road or closer to friendly territory. I think that the "just wait till you get home" revenge is an interesting and plausible method of inspiring fear without discouraging trade or diplomatic contacts. Sending an indirect message to a third party also makes sense. But you do need to mention if either of those is a real consideration here.

You don't really need to tell us that Pantroth is in King Stonefire's employ, mentioning that Dermit had insulted King Stonefire and thus couldn't be allowed to live lets us know that.

The last paragraph is okay...I would say "his imminent death" rather than "danger", because Pantroth doesn't think of the merchant's situation as one of risk. It's odd that the bodyguards "reek" of perfume, though I think that you're indicating that only from Pantroth's perspective as someone who prizes stealth as the primary martial virtue and has very keen senses. You could clarify that, or not. It fits in fine with the notion of their overly pretty armor and Dermit's flashy pimp-wear.

Anyway, like I said, I could try a chapter or so of this.


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Ditto Rickfisher. You lost something in the latest version. I agree that Survivor's comments would make it better, but I like the second version more than the third.
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