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bep1972
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My novel is a young adult romance cyberpunk science fiction story of just over 65,000 words, but it is intentionally kind of odd in crossing those genres. I don't pretend to any literary greatness or even think I have created anything outstanding in the genre. I hope it has a spark of originality and I think it is a unique perspective, since cyberpunk tends to be a bit grittier and I have intentionally kept this young adult friendly in language and themes. While a cyberpunk world cannot help but have a number of dark elements in it, I've tried not to focus on them too intensely in this novel. Instead I try to stay with the protagonist, who, like many children of middle-class families, has managed to remain insulated from a great deal of the misery of her world, even after being pushed from the nest of the homestead.
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CURRENT VERSION OF FIRST 13:
The first time they came into view Evie thought she had gone blind. The trajectory of the shuttle's approach to the Lifeboat was such that the sunlight reflected from the solar sails tore through her retinas as if with raw fire.
Now,on board the enormous spacecraft with the sun far behind them, she stared into the sails every chance she got, lost in their massive glimmering uniformity--the minute undulations of their skins lulling her fears and doubts into a whisper. She was so deep in her meditation that she forgot to scurry into her usual hollow beneath the humidifiers when the quiet whir of the door sliding open should have jarred her into a panic.
It wasn’t until the fourth or fifth delicate footfall sounded on the hard floors that she tore herself from her reverie.
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PREVIOUS ATTEMPT:
The first time the Pilgrim's Progress came into view Evie thought she had gone blind. The trajectory of the shuttle's approach to the enormous Lifeboat Interplanetary Transport was such that the sunlight reflected off of the long array of solar sails tore through her retinas as if with raw fire.
Now the sun was far behind them, and from her secret vantage on the big ship she stared deeply into the sails stretching out before the Progress every chance she got, lost in their massive glimmering uniformity--the minute undulations of their skins lulling her fears and doubts into a whisper. She was so deep in her meditation that she forgot to scurry into her usual hollow beneath the humidifiers when the almost soundless whir of the door sliding open should have jarred her into a panic.
It wasn’t until the fourth or fifth delicate footfall sounded on the hard floors...
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FIRST REWRITE:
The first time they came into view Evie thought she had gone blind. The trajectory of the small shuttle she rode in, as it approached the giant Lifeboat docked in the orbital station, was such that the sunlight reflected from the sails of the larger vessel tore through her retinas as if with raw fire.
Now the sun was far behind them, and from her secret vantage on the big ship she stared deeply into the solar sails stretching out before the boat every chance she got, lost in their massive glimmering uniformity--the minute undulations of their skins lulling her fears and doubts into a whisper. She was so deep in her meditation that she forgot to scurry into her usual hollow beneath the humidifiers when the almost soundless whir of the door sliding open should have jarred her into a panic.
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ORIGINAL:
The first time they came into view Evie thought she went blind. The trajectory of the shuttle’s approach to the Lifeboat was such that the light reflected from the sails tore through her retinas with raw fire.
Now she stared deeply into them every chance she got, lost in their massive glimmering uniformity--the minute, gentle undulations of their skins lulling her fears and doubts into a whisper. She was so deep in her absolute meditation that she forgot to scurry into hiding when the gentle whir of the door sliding open should have jarred her into her usual hollow beneath the humidifiers.
It wasn’t until the fourth or fifth delicate footfall sounded gently on the glistening dark floors that she broke herself from her reverie.
[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited April 13, 2010).]

[This message has been edited by bep1972 (edited April 16, 2010).]


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andersonmcdonald
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I think you write pretty darn well. I like it. Hard to tell from the first thirteen, but you may have something going here. You handle the prose well. That's what hooked me. Confidently written. I'd like to take a look at some more if you don't mind waiting for my response.
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I agree. I like it as well and wish I could read it.

To nitpick:

Should there be a comma before the word Evie in the first sentence? Also, consider "had gone" instead of "went" in the first sentence.

"With raw fire" makes it seem as if there really is raw fire tearing through her retinas. Is there another way to say "as if"? I know it's light doing the tearing, but it seemed odd. I could be wrong about this one.

Why would she stare deeply into them every chance she got? Raw fire and tearing doesn't sound good.

Massive glimmering, minute gentle undulations. Odd juxtaposition. Intentional?

Deep in her absolute - not the same word but seems like an echo.

Gentle whir. Gentle undulations. Echo.

Door sliding open jars her into her usual hollow. It sounds as if this happens automatically when the door opens. Is that the case or does she choose to move?

Delicate footfall gently - another echo?

OK, you probably read this and think I'm a big jerk. These are really nit picky things of which my lack of familiarity of the genre could misinterpret and they could be totally correctly written. I mentioned in your hello that I don't know what I'm talking about, but if I hit any nails on any heads then cool.

Axe


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andersonmcdonald: Thanks for the kind words. I'll get in touch with you via email to discuss.

axeminister: The echo is definitely my worst enemy. Good catch on the gentlies and delicates. This is actually my fifth edit and I caught many much more obvious ones previously. I appreciate the close read there.

To address the other nits that were deservedly picked:

I tend to scatter commas, semicolons, and em dashes around like birdshot from a 10-gauge sawed-off, but I actually prefer that sentence as a single drawn-out breath. I did consider breaks in it, but decided against them. To that end I like "went" rather than "had gone" because it is briefer.

"with raw fire" -- I'm bummed that isn't obviously figurative because I really like the phrasing of that sentence a lot. I'll let that input gestate and see if I can find another way to convey it better that I like the phrasing of as much.

Sounds like I need to spend more words making it obvious that the first time was the only painful viewing, specifically because of the angle she was viewing them from at that time. I was hoping that would be more obvious from the break in paragraph and the description of what holds her attention now, the massive glimmering and minute undulations (no more gentleness!), rather than have to explicitly lay it out, but I think it is needed now that you point it out. Thanks for the very good points. The massive versus minute was not intentional, I do like it as such though.

The jarring is usually a reflexive reaction for her whenever she hears any nearby noise, so I do intend to suggest some kind of automated response there.

I definitely appreciate the very good input and absolutely do not find such good constructive criticism jerky at all. If you really are interested in test reading, I'm going to have two copies out for reads now but would happily put you next on the list.


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Welcome to hatrack!!

This is well written with a nice voice, but it doesn't feel young adult, at least it isn't like the young adult that I read.

I think my biggest complaint is lack of orientation.

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The first time they (I'd rather you come right out and tell us what they are instead of using the pronoun. Even at the end I am not sure) came into view Evie thought she went blind. The trajectory of the shuttle’s approach to the Lifeboat was such that the light reflected from the sails tore through her retinas with raw fire (This to me sounds like it is like looking at the sun. Is that the impression you intended?).

Okay, so right here I have a picture of Evie sitting in a lifeboat in the middle of the ocean (because I don't know where else to put her even though the capitalization of the Lifeboat makes me think it is something different, but you give me nothing to go off of) watching a shuttle approach and staring at the sails?? I don't know what else she would find so interesting on the shuttle. Clearly I am very disoriented, but it could just be me.

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Now (so the first sentence was in the past and now she is in a different place?) she stared deeply into them every chance she got, lost in their massive glimmering uniformity--the minute, gentle undulations of their skins lulling her fears and doubts into a whisper. (I still don't know what they are, and I don't understand why you are being unclear? Without orientation of what they are this description means nothing to me) She was so deep in her absolute (cut absolute, it adds nothing, IMO) meditation that she forgot to scurry into hiding when the gentle whir of the door sliding open should have jarred her (The sliding of the doors would jar her from her daydreams making her scurry to her hiding place, but they wouldn't jar her into the hiding place, right?) into her usual hollow beneath the humidifiers. This sentence is long and almost poetic, and because of that, it loses any tension. I don't feel a sense of urgency or danger, should I?

It wasn’t until the fourth or fifth delicate footfall sounded gently (delicate suggests gently using both is redundant. Get rid of one or the other) on the glistening dark (once again this long sentences ruins any intended tension (if tension is intended). I suggest cutting 'glistening dark') floors that she broke herself from her reverie.


So all I really know is that Evie is fascinated with something, maybe sails on the shuttle, but I am not sure. I have no idea where Evie is or anything else about her, but I have a suspicion that she is a stowaway, maybe?

I really would like to know what she is fascinated with, if she was rescued by the shuttle from her lifeboat in the first paragraph, and where she is now. I don’t need a paragraph of back story just a hint here and there to help orient me, so I don’t think answering these questions in the beginning is asking too much.

Sorry I am not hooked. Good luck with this.


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Hello bep1972,

This is a great opener! Regarding axeminister's comment about the "raw fire" line, could you change the word "with" to "like" in that sentence and save it? That would make it a simile instead of a metaphor, which would remove the possible literal interpretation.

I'd be interested in test reading it if you are still looking for readers (email: twstd2010@yahoo.com)

Cheers,
Ennis

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Thanks for the great response MAP, I'll definitely work on those points. While I actually intend to keep the reader somewhat confused right there, I think letting the second sentence spell out explicitly that these are huge solar sails on a massive spacecraft could still work. I also gather from all the feedback that I need to be more clear that on the first approach she was in a shuttle coming to dock on the giant ship and the sun was reflecting off of them, causing suffering when viewed. Now that they have left the orbital station, there are no sources of intense light to cause intense reflections.

The biggest thing that is supposed to come out of this passage is that Evie is completely absorbed in her pastime and the interruption is so, dare I say it, gentle, that while she should have scrambled off into hiding, in fact she gets caught. She is not a stow away but is in a restricted area without permission, as is made clear in the rest of the chapter. Later in the chapter there is also lengthy exposition about the sails, their structure, and function. I do see how it wouldn't hurt to provide a bit more direct orientation right from the start though. Thanks again for the thorough feedback.

Ennis, I have two copies going out right now and want to keep only two out at a time to make integrating feedback manageable. I'll check in with you via email when one comes back to see if you are still interested. Thanks for the kind words and interest.


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Me and my stupid echo, right there in my last response I go and play the parrot completely, sheesh.
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quote:
While I actually intend to keep the reader somewhat confused right there, I think letting the second sentence spell out explicitly that these are huge solar sails on a massive spacecraft could still work. I also gather from all the feedback that I need to be more clear that on the first approach she was in a shuttle coming to dock on the giant ship and the sun was reflecting off of them, causing suffering when viewed. Now that they have left the orbital station, there are no sources of intense light to cause intense reflections.

Clarity is usually what we're all striving for. Is there a reason why you want to confuse the reader right at the beginning? Because that seems to me to skirt awfully close to withholding and readers usually tend to resent that.

Generally speaking, if your POV character (Evie?) knows something that's relevant to the story at that point, then the reader should know it, too. Now, if Evie doesn't know or is confused, it may be perfectly fine for the reader not to know either.


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Darn resentful readers, but I LIKE withholding ;p Point taken, thanks for your help all.
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This may go against protocol, but I didn't want to start a new thread, so I just put my revised first 13 up in the original post. I also changed some other things, since my goals have morphed in one short day on this board. Thanks again all for you excellent advice.
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Participants actually prefer that you put the revised 13 lines in the first post, along with the original 13 lines, so they can find them more easily and can compare as well as give feedback on the newer versions.
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Yay! I did something sort of right by accident. Was my rework more than 13? I did the frame check but I think I was in Chrome that time so it might have been a little off. Thanks for the guidance Kathleen.
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The clarity is much better, and I really like the second paragraph. I liked the first paragraph of your first 13 more. It flowed better.

I hope you aren't offended, but I am going to suggest a little rearrangement of your first paragraph to help with flow and clarity.

I italicized what I think should be cut and added bolded words to replace the italicized.

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The first time they the Lifeboat came into view Evie thought she had gone blind. The trajectory of the small shuttle she rode in, as it approached the giant Lifeboat docked in the orbital station, was such that the sunlight reflected from[/] (off?) the sails [i]of the larger vessel tore through her retinas as if with raw fire.

I think once you establish that it is the lifeboat she is looking at, it will be obvious that she is on the shuttle. And that is enough to orient me at this time.

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Now the sun was far behind them, and from her secret vantage on the big ship (is the big ship the Lifeboat? I think you should name the ship) she stared deeply into the solar sails stretching out before the boat every chance she got, lost in their massive glimmering uniformity--the minute undulations of their skins lulling her fears and doubts into a whisper. She was so deep in her meditation that she forgot to scurry into her usual hollow beneath the humidifiers when at the almost soundless whir of the door sliding open should have jarred her into a panic.

This is much clearer. I like it.

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Thanks for the further input MAP. I knew I'd still need to work on it some more. The Lifeboat definitely has a name, I just wasn't ready to name it right off the bat, the focus of this passage was never supposed to be the ships and shuttles, but just the solar sails, now it is a bit overly complex for the mood I was hoping to set. Thanks again for all of your input.

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I actually like the first version better than all the others.
Yes, there's a bit of a mess with the sail description, but the package was tighter, and I didn't feel as if I was working as hard to understand what was going on as I am in the second and third. Take a look at the difference in the size of the first sentence of the second paragraph. It grew by 50% and used an adverb for no real gain.

Naming the vessels is fine, but the Lifeboat gets crazy in the third. My eyes glaze over when I'm reading titles (e.g. Interplanetary Transport) and my eyes start skimming the content for the next interesting spot to focus on.


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Yeah, I'm feeling the same way. Kind of stuck now.
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Bep, I feel like I've done more harm than good. Everyone else seems to really like your original, and it does flow very nice. Maybe you should just ignore me.
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Not at all MAP! You gave me good points to work on, I just did a poor job of providing clarity without clutter. I think I'm getting there now. I like the latest rev pretty well. It seems to have gotten back to the more efficient prose while still providing a bit more orientation.
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