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Fyfe
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http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7077

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The US military is funding development of a weapon that delivers a bout of excruciating pain from up to 2 kilometres away. Intended for use against rioters, it is meant to leave victims unharmed....Studies on cells grown in the lab will identify how much pain can be inflicted on someone before causing injury or death.
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TMedina
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Protestors, rioters, those annoying civilians that want to attack our armed forces and then claim foul when we return fire...

"Less than Lethal" has always been a point of interest for the US Military and law enforcement, for various reasons.

-Trevor

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Nonlethal directed energy weapons aren't really a new thing. I don't think they were even secret. For example, the Active Denial System has been in development for at least the past few years. Here's an overview of some of the technologies.
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"Less than Lethal" has always been a point of interest for the US Military and law enforcement, for various reasons.

Not just the military and law enforcement. The "helping professions" have a long history in this line of work as well.

But whether it's the military, law enforcement, or the "helping professions," the goal is the same - control.

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You say that like it's a bad thing.

-Trevor

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sndrake
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One particularly disturbing citation from the link I shared:

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Does punishment hurt? The impact of aversives on the clinician
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2017584&dopt=Citation

Direct care staff in facilities which permitted the use of strong aversives reported more intense feelings of personal accomplishment on the inventory than did subjects whose programs were limited to the use of mild aversives.
S.L. Harris, J.S. Handleman, M.J. Gill, P.L. Fong


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quote:
You say that like it's a bad thing.

Edited to address the possibility that Trevor might have been serious.

The answer is "yes" - it's a bad thing, especially when masquerading as "help" or "therapy" - at least law enforcement and the military are upfront about what the goals are. But that reference I posted bears some investigation - if using painful methods is personally gratifying to the one inflicting them, there is a real danger the methods jump to the top of the list in terms of dealing with any problem.

[ March 04, 2005, 11:21 AM: Message edited by: sndrake ]

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Also, there have always been deaths from "less than lethal" crowd-control methods; whether we want to use them in a certain situation should, in my mind, be considered more carefully than it often is.
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I think, though I may be wrong, that Trevor was referring to the police and military applications, in terms of anti-riot applications, of such technology.

In those situations, control is not a bad thing. In fact, the restoration of some sort of control and order is desireable to save lives.

But, then, I could be wrong about his meaning.

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That IS scary. More painful methods of control in a "helping" setting being personally satisfying for the inflictor? o_O
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From thread topic:
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Topic: Did I miss the "Zap Protestors With Excruciating Pain" thread?
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Intended for use against rioters
I want to point out that being a protestor doesn't make you a rioter, and being a rioter doesn't make you a protestor.
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No, but in my experience, peaceful protesters are often responded to as if they were rioters.
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But there is a long history of use of riot control measures against protesters.

Or what Icky said.

[ March 04, 2005, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]

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