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As a note on Taiwan, it is NOT an independent country, they don't say they are, they don't want to be. Taiwan sees itself as a part of the same cultural China that Mainland China (PRC) but a seperate political entity, the PRC is the only one that sees Taiwan as a provence. Satyagraha
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As best I can tell, Taiwan would declare themselves an independent country in a second if they didn't fear it would trigger a war with China. In fact, I think the U.S. has no formal agreement to defend Taiwan to discourage them from doing that.
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Okay, I think it's time we all come clean. The real name of the war that was fought when the southern states seceded is the Totally Bogus War. We just tell everyone that it's the Civil War to see if they'll notice.
Curse you Khal, you foiled all our clever plans.
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It's the Civil war because of the difference of this and this.
It can be both.
If you secede it is a revolution, because the new nation you are striving for becomes a reality.
If you fail, then the new nation wasn't viable, at least not enough to survive, and it was a civil war.
The American Civil War was fought over the very right of the states to secede, and they had no legal way to quit the Union other than an amendment, which would have never passed in the North.
Unless the whole government was wiling to disolve....which they obviously weren't.
It was a civil war because the people fighting were all members of the same country, or at least started off that way.
Since the Union preserved, the Confederacy was never a sovereign nation within the US borders, despite what they claimed....or what they call it now.
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Dag, Most westerners think that, but it just isn't true. Taiwan depends upon the mainland for it's prosperity, their economies are tied together so tightly it'd be like removing California for the United States, whenever either side rattles sabres, the economies of both shudder, Taiwanese investors are a very major force in the economy of southeast China, declaring indepedence would cut all political and economics ties...severly crippling the richest portion of the mainland, as well as the entire island, however what Taiwan does know (or think they know...depending on who you talk to) is that to join Mainland would be the death of any and all political freedoms that they only recently (early '90s) got with the sucession of martial law from the Nationalist Party, you can almost say Taiwan's prosperity depends upon it's precarious state as a non-state state (if that makes any sense). Satyagraha
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quote: When all attempts to arrive at a formal annexation treaty [of Texas] failed, the United States Congress passed--after much debate and only a simple majority--a Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States. Under these terms, Texas would keep both its public lands and its public debt, it would have the power to divide into four additional states "of convenient size" in the future if it so desired, and it would deliver all military, postal, and customs facilities and authority to the United States government. (Neither this joint resolution or the ordinance passed by the Republic of Texas' Annexation Convention gave Texas the right to secede.)
http://www.geocities.com/rebel12th/history3.html Bolds mine. Yes, Texas was sovereign at one time, the Republic of Texas. It surrendered it's sovreignity to become a state. But what I find funny is their ability to divide into 4 additional states--this would gain the population of Texas 8 additional senators and allow them to dominate the senate. It's all part of W's plan!
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Cybil Wahr! I love that Annie! Somehow I missed it the first time this thread was up.
