Enterprise was a horrible idea for a show. They need to go back to the timeline we all fell in love with, which is to say, way after phasers and transporters, and not back when Andorians were a worthwhile enemy.
I like the idea of Star Trek Away Team, focus on a show about enlisted officers instead of the higher level command crew we usually get. Or Star Trek CSI, or a Star Trek JAG, but that risks becoming less about Star Trek and more about the CSI angle. Or Star Trek Starfleet Academy, but that risks becoming the OC in a Star Trek setting.
There are plenty of ideas.
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The best TNG episode was " Inner Light", where Picard lives a whole other life in 25 minutes. It never fails to make me cry at the end when he says "It's me you're going to find!"
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Lyr -- I don't have time to respond right now, and I'll be away form the comp for a few days starting now. Sorry.
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When we get a new Voyager DVD in the mail, I always tell my son, "Veeger came!" He thinks I'm nuts. One of these days, I'm gonna make him watch TMP.
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quote: The best TNG episode was " Inner Light", where Picard lives a whole other life in 25 minutes. It never fails to make me cry at the end when he says "It's me you're going to find!"
That's the one where he gets hit by the probe and learns how to play that tin flute and his planet gets wiped out but at the end they launch that probe, the one that ends up bringing him there to begin with?
I like how they bring the flute back in later episodes. That was a good episode, and a nice PSA at the same time.
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I also like the Drumhead, when there's a sort of witchunt thing going on in Starfleet that ends up on the Enterprise. The Best of Both Worlds is also good. So's Chain of Command.
Um...not that I'm a fan or anything. *shuffles off*
quote:One of these days, I'm gonna make him watch TMP.
Make sure he's done something really really bad.
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I love the series finale of TNG. All Good Things. Even though I know it's an obvious favorite. Wolf 359 is good too. I don't know many of the titles of the episodes.
Pound for pound, I think TNG is the best series. DS9 is best if you like the action/comedy angle. TNG is the best if you like the quality, especially over the course of the show, it never wavered.
VOY is best if, you like Jeri Ryan? Other than that, I don't think it wins any caption awards.
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Wolf 359 was the two parter "Best of Both Worlds."
All Good Things was pretty good.
I didn't like much of the first season. But "The Naked Now" makes me giggle. That's the one where they had some virus that made them all act like they were hammered. Posts: 14745 | Registered: Dec 1999
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In order to work, Enterprise should have made the characters and the ships workings more haphazard. More confused. More ductape, if you know what I mean. After all, this is the first ever ship of its kind carrying a bunch of humans into deep space. Can you imagine the mayhem? And yet everyone takes it so calmly and characterlessly.
I realise that they're all supposed to be the creme de la creme, but if the characters start getting bored, we're going to, too.
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Another problem with ENterprise is the fact that the characters fell quickly into bland stagnacy. By the end of the first episode, their characters are already starting to blur- doing things that suit the environment, rather than displaying the character they were initially given.
By the end of the second episode, most of these character traits, except their most major ones, are faded. They reappear, sporadically, but not with enough regularity to keep the plots interesting.
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I had a friend ask me this question once. Can anyone figure the answer?
In The Next Generation, they are always getting all kinds of food and drinks out of those replicators. Where do all the dishes go? Does Picard have, like, a gazillion teacups and saucers stashed away in a cargo bay?
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Trek isn't dead, it just needs new caretakers, and ideas. There is no shortage of either one, but no one in Hollywood is looking.
Do all Trek shows have to take place mainly in space? Why not on a new colony? Of course, that is a standard of sci-fi, but Star Trek could do something different with it.
I think a good idea for a movie would be something about the origin of The Borg, but then again, I think the Borg are cool and deserve a story.
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The replicators create the food by assembling synthesized protein and molecule chains, and then I'm assuming they add flavoring of some sort.
The dishes are also assembled from molecules individually, much in the same way that transporters move people from place to place, only the power that makes replicators work comes from Omicron particles. The dishes are meant to be put back in the replicators to be reabsorbed into the system.
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No, Lyrhawn, I don't mean a movie with principal Star Trek characters and the Borg. I think their origins need to be "explored." It could be a great sci-fi epic involving only The Borg and whoever created them.
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quote:Originally posted by mackillian: I didn't like much of the first season. But "The Naked Now" makes me giggle. That's the one where they had some virus that made them all act like they were hammered.
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Q bothers me in some episodes, but doesn't bother me in others. I dunno why. I don't really like the pilot for TNG because of Q.
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I would love to see a series (though most likely, a book series) based on a Ferengi captain privateer/pirate and his crew of aliens--the Romulan con man, the telepathic accountant, among other things. Kind of like Captain Jack meets Spock.
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I always figured it would be kind of funny if when Picard said "Fire at will", Will Riker would slap him and say "Now cut that out!"
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quote: I don't believe I've ever noticed anyone putting the dirty dishes back in to un-replicate.
We've been watching Voyager through Netflix recently and I'm pretty sure it was Janeway, but I'm not positive, but a character ordered a coffee I think (which is why I think it was Janeway) and something came up and she put it back into the replicator and said "Computer, recycle."
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quote:but the [VOY] series finale was probably the worst in Star Trek lore.
I'm sorry. I couldn't let this pass. Are you kidding me? Compared to Enterprise's incredibly lame, anticlimactic, meaningless, faux-manipulative series finale?
I have problems with the VOY finale (though over all, I loved the series and the characters, particularly the Doctor and Seven). Mainly that Janeway would change the timeline to same Seven and Tuvok and Chakotay (in the future) but not go back in time a few months before to save the other crew members (like Lt. Kerry, who had been on the series since season 1 and had vied with B'Lanna for the position of chief engineer and the was brought back and then killed in on one of the lamest episodes of VOY history.) That and the fact that it was basically a repeat of an earlier episode where Kim makes it home with Paris (I think) but goes back in time when he is much older to save the rest of the crew.
But come on, Enterprise, while actually doing good episodes during the last couple seasons, really crapped all over that with a final episode whose only purpose, it seemed, was to firmly place it in the ST canon (and attempted- and failed- to be emotional and meaningless with the death of Trip).
And I own the first 2 seasons of ST:TNG, as well as season 6. And let me say that all but a handfull of the first 2 seasons are even watchable. Seriously. Particularly bad is the 'drug'/'drug pushers' PSA episode with Dr. Crusher's histerics over the unfairness. And 6 is pretty good, but again with 4 or 5 super-lame episodes that I seriously never watch.
That's not to say that I didn't love TNG. But even when it was on, there were episodes that were very disappointing- especially the ones where they spent 40 minutes setting up the problem and 5 minutes resolving it (like the 'Devolution' episode.)
All ST has a lot of crap. I just got TOS (1-3). Wow. 20% diamond in a pile of 60% crap and 20% frivolous.
But Enterprise finale is the worst.
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Well, I haven't seen the Enterprise finale, but I can believe that it was worse than Voyager's. After all, I watched most of Voyager, but I never watched more than a couple episodes of Enterprise. I couldn't take any more than that.
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I've heard that Enterprise is the worst of them all. I haven't seen any episodes due to lack of TV, etc, but I might try Netflixing a few just to see what the hype (or lackthereof) is all about.
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The last bit of enterprise except that involving the season finale was actually very good, they brought a completely new writer on board who moved them to 3 episode story arcs. Those were excellent. Except for a few character and nostalgia moments, the previous episodes were forgettable.
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I watched the first five episodes of Enterprise and then stopped, it didn't hold my interest.
But I still can't imagine anything being worse than the weak and silly VOY episode that I'm convinved was written by an eight year old.
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The last episode of Enterprise was disappointing.
[SPOILERS] Having everyone as a hologram just sucked all the life out them. I was impressed with the few episodes before the final one though.
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quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: But I still can't imagine anything being worse than the weak and silly VOY episode that I'm convinved was written by an eight year old.
Which one are you refering to?
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Best Voyager episode: the two-parter "Year of Hell" with that dad from That 70s Show.
Best star trek season: the final one of DSN.
Star Trek with high ratio of bad-to mediocre-to good episodes: I've never seen the original, so I'll have to go with Voyager.
Worst Star Trek idea: Enterprise.
Had they been a bit more creative they would've found a way to work the story of the first enterprise ship into one of the other shows, but as an idea for an entire self-sustaining program its completely lacking, if only because Star Trek is about the future. Even if it is still within the span of the "future", regressing into it seems a bit un-Star Trek, and the more it went on the more it would've made the universe of Star Trek more confusing.
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