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I'm pretty sure the 10p is actually a reference to the ministry of arguments sketch from Monty Python.
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I don't remember "10p" in the clip, but I'm sure it's possible. They're Brits; it would be a "10 pence" reference nonetheless, no?
[Although, if it were a MP reference, that would provide additional context, of course, and we would be in your debt for pointing that out.]
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I had a vague recollection of there being a 10 pence thing in there somewhere, but it was not at all clear. I imagine Tom will be along at some point to clear it up.
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It's not a specific Monty Python reference, but indeed it was once the case in Britain that 10p was the go-to minor charge, the equivalent of a quarter in the U.S. around 1975.
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Feer, to be more helpful, I'd like to suggest that identifying the possible conflicts between the account of creation in the Book of Genesis and the story of creation implied by an evolutionary worldview based on Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection -- which is really what your question's about, right? -- is something that's a matter of considerable dispute.
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Kinda, that was my general question. But at this point in time it is long past the overveiw of everthing and its getting pretty detailed. More along the lines of spacifics.
What am I up to? 30p?
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Yeah, no one here is going to do your work for you.
You may as well get that into your head. If you have some thoughts of your own that you'd like to bounce off us, you'll find that you get a pretty good response.
If you say (as you've done), "Tell me everything I need to know about [insert subject]", you're not gonna get much help.
Plus, you're completely ignoring the possibility that the Book of Genesis was written by Darwin. You gotta cover all your bases.
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Is acually not possible that this isnt for home work? i want some candid answers from some different mindsets before stating my own stand on the subject in question.
And i learned my lesson about homework from the last time i got lazy and tried to bum off you guys.
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We want some some evidence that you've actually thought about this issue yourself before we go to the bother of sharing ours.
Your asking for something that takes time and effort out of our lives, and you're giving absolutely nothing in return -- not even discussion.
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I'm disgusting right now. hehe I would prefere that I get feed back from some without throwing in my opinion, whether you think it does or not I think stating my opinion first may acually affect the way some people respond to my question.
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Tom pretty much summed up what I was going to say.
Charles Darwin, Homosexuality, Monty Python, British Currency, and the ethics of forum based homework assistance, all in one thread. Lets derail if further,
If William Shatner had had access to this forum would he have still cheated on the Kobayashi Maru?
edit: Feer: And in same token I am concerned that if I write out my opinion it will dramatically alter your opinion to the point that our opinions are identical. Since I'd rather not rock your universe, I must insist you state your opinions and observations before I tragically erase them from existance. Posts: 14316 | Registered: Jul 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Feer: I'm disgusting right now. hehe I would prefere that I get feed back from some without throwing in my opinion, whether you think it does or not I think stating my opinion first may acually affect the way some people respond to my question.
Sugar, let me get this straight:
You don't want to have a conversation. You only want answers, without having put anything into the discussion itself. Just straight, pure, answers to your teacher's questions, so that the process can completely bypass your brain altogether.
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No not correct i want pre answers to see where other people from this universe stand before i jump in with what i have. oh glory, anything else before i submit and throw my opinion of life to heck??
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quote:Originally posted by Feer: I'm disgusting right now. hehe I would prefere that I get feed back from some without throwing in my opinion, whether you think it does or not I think stating my opinion first may acually affect the way some people respond to my question.
That's the cost of doing business, as they say.
You withhold your opinion, and get nothing back, or share it and risk (*gasp*) influencing our responses. Your call.
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quote:No not correct i want pre answers to see where other people from this universe stand before i jump in with what i have.
Do you always get everything you want?
Well, I guess this is just one of those times, then.
edit: Here's a bone. There are people on this board who have just about any opinion on this subject you can imagine. We don't actually all agree on some things.
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You could also do some work and check out what people here have already written on about 16 zillion evolution or bible thread.
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quote:Originally posted by Feer: No not correct i want pre answers to see where other people from this universe stand before i jump in with what i have. oh glory, anything else before i submit and throw my opinion of life to heck??
He just called hatrack heck! Would that make sakeriver hell? Was hatrack.AOL.com heaven and loudmouth lion the garden of eden?
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quote:No not correct i want pre answers to see where other people from this universe stand before i jump in with what i have.
Do you always get everything you want?
Well, I guess this is just one of those times, then.
edit: Here's a bone. There are people on this board who have just about any opinion on this subject you can imagine. We don't actually all agree on some things.
haha no I get nothing I want so I thought I would try for it for once, so does everyone share in this opinion that to you must get a gift before you give?
dang I guess i fall in there to.
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It would also help your cause a fair bit if you were to use better writing mechanics. I don't say this to be cruel, I say it in an honest attempt to help you start discussions in the future.
Example:
"I'm disgusting right now." Maybe it has been a while since you've showered, but it bears no relevance to your topic of discussion. Using the correct word "discussing" would more than likely make people a bit more amenable to conversing with you, not to mention being able to stand in your company.
Unless you were trying to be funny. Hmm. But if that were the case, it missed the mark.
Moral of the story: Conversation takes effort - if you show some, we will too.
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I strongly suspect that English is not Feer's primary language.
Feer -- why don't you tell us about yourself? Where are you from? How old are you? What brought you to Hatrack? What is your purpose with this thread?
I know that I am far more likely to help out somebody I know and like than a stranger whining that I won't do his homework.
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It was a jab at humor. A very bad one. I'm from a poor side of Phoenix, I'm 17, I'm a Card fan thats why im here. My purpose in this threads was to get candid answers, now i guess its more or less a losing battle to get back a reputation I never had.
I am appoligizing now for coming in here, not at all my territory, me having a total of 18 posts, and asking for things that are stong and personal opinions about a huge conflict around the world.
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quote:I am appoligizing now for coming in here, not at all my territory, me having a total of 18 posts, and asking for things that are stong and personal opinions about a huge conflict around the world.
Hint: you get more opinions when you share your own. It often helps to check the forum to see if threads about the very question you just asked have been actively discussed in the last few days.
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Feer, lots of newbies post here and ask for homework help. Lots of newbies also post here and ask for opinions on subjects that have been hashed out dozens of times already, without wanting to contribute anything to the discussion. We are not puppets that dance on command for you. If you want to have a discussion, you must participate in it. That's not a slap in the face. That's us telling you to have respect for the community.
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The thing is, these discussions about Darwinism and Creationism lead to hurt feelings. We've had them many times before, and had the hurt feelings to show for it. So maybe you can understand why someone who wants to stir that pot but doesn't show evidence of wanting a genuine conversation might not be met with open arms. If you want friendship with a bunch of Card fans, you can find that here. But trying to get them all to fight each other for your amusement is not the way to go.
I personally have next to no patience for the wounded newbie stance, so I'm explaining this nicely once before I lose my patience altogether.
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quote:Originally posted by Feer: Holy poo... Not homework,
It was a jab at humor. A very bad one. I'm from a poor side of Phoenix, I'm 17, I'm a Card fan thats why im here. My purpose in this threads was to get candid answers, now i guess its more or less a losing battle to get back a reputation I never had.
I am appoligizing now for coming in here, not at all my territory, me having a total of 18 posts, and asking for things that are stong and personal opinions about a huge conflict around the world.
Thanks for the slap in the face
No need to be so dramatic. You are still welcome here, I myself have not formed a strong opinion of you at all. Were you to post another thread about how obnoxiously high movie ticket prices are I would probably forget you even made this thread and respond to your post in the affirmative.
I think folks are just trying to send you two messages.
1: People try to get forums to do their homework for them all the time and its usually in the form of, "Hey what do you all think about this?" Hoping to glean pages of responses, and yet post nothing that could be discussed.
2: Hatrack has many users and has been around some time now. Its MORE then likely that if you search for a topic as hot as religion or evolution that there are myriad threads dealing with it, you can go read those without expending any of our effort. Well actually, Ill expend some effort right now, enjoy, http://www.hatrack.com/cgi-bin/ubbmain/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=046050;p=1&r=nfx ^^ now c.t.t.n could have been masking her homework phishing attempt with a poll, but who can know these things?
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Also I just realized that I very much like calling the concept of trying to glean mass numbers of responses on a topic from forum posters for the purposes of using it in homework assignments as "Forum Phishing" its extremely similar to identity theft.
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Which turns my prespective to a different view of things. I have looked through the threads and there was nothing that really stood out to me. I could go digging through thousands of posts to find one section of a 100 page thread that gives me one line of what i want.
At that if people are still in this thread I'm am willing to let go of the idea that i have, and start with an actual discusion.
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My opinion coincides with both Origin of the species and genesis. I believe that there was and still is evolution. I also believe that there is a god. God being all powerful can create anything. So why not create a 70 year old man? He can have memories of growing up because god can plant them there in the 70 year old mans brain. So why can’t god make a world millions of years old with fossils and already evolved animals? With all the steps in evolution right there. Could be as simple as to test ones faith. I think that both can work. There are hundreds of people with an extra finger, 11 in stead of 10, is that not evolving? Slowly, but still going, that trait can be past on. So what if its incest that does most of it, its still going, and they are still producing.
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Mind you this came about long after i had posted the original post, so thats why what i just said differs from the post leading off this thread
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quote:Originally posted by Feer: So what if its incest that does most of it, its still going, and they are still producing.
I'm not sure this is a supportable fact. Most mutations are not correlated with incest, and most [individual incidents of conception via] incest (actually) are not going to result in the increased expression of a mutation in the offspring.
(Is this a tangent, or did you want more info? I can point you in the right direction if needed.)
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Feer, you could be right, but I see no evidence that the universe punishes those who go by logic any more than it punishes those who go by belief.
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Mmmm...I don't know. I think there's a difference between mutation and evolution. Having 11 fingers is a mutation; having larger lungs to facilitate breathing in a low oxygen environment is evolution.
I don't see a conflict between a figurative interpretation of the Christian Bible and the scientific theory of evolution. I do see a conflict between a literal interpretation of the CB and the theory, but I am neither a believer myself nor a literalist, so it doesn't cause me any consternation myself.
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Evolution comes from mutation. The fish that has a mutated fin alowing it to go faster through that water, a human having an extra finger to type fast on a computer and get a better job, so he doesnt die off and he can pass his extra finger gene mutation
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So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you believe in evolution defined as the genotype of a species changing over time, but you're not convinced that evolution is responsible for the origin of the species.
I can understand that. I know I've said similar things in the past.
I think that evolution as you described it is an unassailable fact. We've seen species adapt and change according to environmental pressures.
As far as the origin of the species is concerned, I have no strong opinions. There certainly appear to be contradictions between Genesis and what we find in the physical world, and there many ways to reconcile those apparent contradictions without assuming that one is completely false. Honestly, it doesn't bother me much to not know what the correct reconciliation is.
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