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I loved Buffy, while admitting that there are some stupid bad moments (think loanshark shark demon for kittens debt, buffybot, mayor McSnake, etc.) but it was still a better show then Dollhouse ever was.
Angel is good too, but Firefly was the best.
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With the exception of the infamous bathroom scene. I don't know which writer was having a horrible week when they came up with that.
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I must be weird in that I REALLY liked season 6. Yeah I still think 5 and 7 were the best but there is just something about 6 that I really dig. I guess it's that I just like dark shows and 6 was the darkest of them all. I think it gets a bad rap because the ending wasn't as good as some others but in between were some magic moments. The scene early on when Buffy tells Spike where she really had been after her death is to me one of the all time great gut wrenchers.
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quote:Originally posted by Shanna: With the exception of the infamous bathroom scene. I don't know which writer was having a horrible week when they came up with that.
Having just watched that scene, I thought it was a pretty effective way of having Spike hit rock bottom, which he'd definitely been cruising for.
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That scene was pretty painful to watch, but I think it was an important element in Spike and Buffy's relationship. She was really over him, didn't love him, and he pushed it to the point that he finally understood that.
And even though they were friends and emotional supports for each other, after that point their relationship had forever changed, and was never physically romantic again.
In many ways, their relationship post bathroom scene/ensouling was a more adult one, one of real connection instead of previously which was more of a teenage, turn your back on your problems, push the limits kinda deal.
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Between the two series, spike is easily my favorite character.....
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Even though he always gets dumped on, it is always nice when he it redeemed, like his death at the end of Buffy and the last season of Angel when he whoops Angel to get the fake goblet of sorrow. Also, when he finally gets with Buffy.
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These potential slayers are driving me nuts. Could they have found a more pitiful bunch of bad actresses?
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I just watched the S4 finale earlier today, and am starting on S5. I know a fair amount of spoilers from this thread and other places, but I guess I hadn't ever realized that Buffy gets a random sister at the beginning of S5.
Not sure what I think of that (And yes. I know that it gets explained later on).
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I did not like the addition of Dawn. There were a lot of plot choices that I didn't like, but that one just seemed ridiculous.
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My girlfriend hates Dawn more than any other character. Especially when she first entered the show. She also says that "the potential slayers were, by and large, just annoying. Slowly as the seasons progressed as they added on characters, they just got increasingly annoying and contrived."
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My wife once stated the opinion that Dawn makes a heckuva lot more sense if you assume she was written to be, say, six rather than fifteen.
You know, the self-centered attitude, the melodramatic lack of perspective, the temper tantrums, the lack of common sense, the inability to recognize that her actions put herself and others in danger...
Oh, I might mention I'm not exactly fond of Dawn. She has a moment or two, and I really think it's more about how she's written than how she's played, but she's like every other Buffy character's most mopey and irritating characteristics without character growth, resolution, or an "off" switch.
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I thought Dawn was another case of TV writers just not knowing how to write teenagers (like Connor on Angel, or Welsey on ST:TNG. They don't know what to do with them... so they make them moody or troubled or impulsive.
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Oh, I thought Dawn was awesome in Season 5. (Not so much after that.)
The Dawn-Spike dynamic was so cute. They kind of ruined that a ways into season 6, though. Really they just stopped paying attention to that particular relationship. It made me angry.
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They were so absurd in concept. Buffy suddenly getting a sister? Connor entering the show? The decision that these plot devices made sense in the Buffyverse felt insulting.
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quote:Originally posted by plaid: I thought Dawn was another case of TV writers just not knowing how to write teenagers (like Connor on Angel, or Welsey on ST:TNG. They don't know what to do with them... so they make them moody or troubled or impulsive.
One reason I like the daughter on Castle. She's not any of them.
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quote:Originally posted by Chris Bridges: One reason I like the daughter on Castle. She's not any of them.
She is great.
As for Dawn, I too thought the whole thing silly and contrived but the ending kinda made it all worth it.
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I think it is weird that the writers had so many problems writing Dawn. The first 3 seasons of Buffy were high school kids and they worked. I think the problem comes in when writers have a mostly adult world and try to put the kids into the action. In Castle, the daughter is not really part of the cases. She is still part of the teen world.
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quote:Originally posted by Shawshank: I just watched The Body for the first time; it was amazing.
And absolutely heart wrenching. Possibly the best episode of a TV show that I NEVER want to watch again.
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I'll admit I started tearing up watching that episode. It was tough. It was also the best depiction of grief I've ever seen captured on television.
In other, lighter, news- I love Anya. She's my favorite character not one of the main three.
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I agree with Destineer about the Dawn/Spike relationship, it was a great way to show Spike's caring and protective side, it made Spike feel like a more rounded character.
Best Buffy:
The Body, Hush, Once More With Feeling, Tabula Rasa, Life Seriel, The Zeppo, The Wish, Band Candy, Doppelgangland, Conversations w/ Dead People, Normal Again
Dawn...poor little Dawny...written specifically to be an annoyingly painful drag of a little sister, congrats writers, you succeeded.
Ayna...Zander never deserved her, she is the only Buffy character I had a real crush on (Willow almost had me, but she always felt a little too much like a little sister).
I have had serious problems trying to get people to give Buffy a fair chance. For some reason a lot of people just won't even consider it.
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I also adored Anya. I always felt so bad for her because none of the other characters really seemed to understand her and where she was coming from.
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So I just watched Once More With Feeling and Tabula Rasa.
They were both great episodes. Watching Anya and Giles think they were engaged- absolutely hysterical.
I was so pissed off at Willow though. She's just being a big awful. She needs to stop it, and I felt terrible for Tara.
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"Sarah Michelle Gellar says she was shocked by sex scenes in Buffy The Vampire Slayer.
She claims some of the scenes were like a bondage movie, reports the Daily Star.
"It became very S&M and I felt degraded as an actress," Gellar tells this month’s Elle magazine.
The 27-year-old actress says the series left her bruised and tired.
"It was exhausting - physically and emotionally," she says. "There were at least two fight scenes in every episode. I never wore skirts for years because of all the bruises." Source:http://www.whedon.info/article.php3?id_article=4510
The daily star is a tabloid, but the quotes are from a legitimate source.
I haven't really thought about this actively before; I remember thinking at the time that it was pretty degrading and debased the show a bit, but I didn't actively consider it. It may actually be morally disgusting that she had to do that.
Edit: I also love that Once More with Feeling and Tabula Rasa, two of my favorite episodes, come one after another.
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I don't feel like it's whining. I think it's a legitimate complaint--she should not have been forced to do anything (especially sexual) that she did not feel comfortable. It is bordering on molestation. She shouldn't have even had to voice her concerns loudly because Whedon should have asked her if she was comfortable with it. Think the ridiculous sex scene that knocks down the building.
In other news, I just realized how careful they were with who couldn't remember their own names in Tabula Rasa.
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The only people who didn't figure out their own names early on were Buffy and Spike. They also had their own separate story line going on and were going through big identity crisises at the time. If it wasn't intentional, it fits really well.
Edit: I suspect that it's intentional, as the episode is largely an exploration of the identities the characters.
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The part that I found the most interesting was when they poked fun at themselves, which they do a few times that season. when Xander went by Alex, pointing out how unusual his actual nickname is. And like when Spike talked about being the vampire in love with the slayer, the epic forbidden love. And Buffy was like, "that's stupid". Right up there with "Normal Again" where they took shots at all the outlandish plot twists, and "crazy" aspects of the show
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Pretty much my favorite characters throughout show were Anya and Spike. Needless to say, the finale was completely brutal.
And I love most of the same episodes as everyone else, but an especially memorable moment is from The Zeppo when Xander grabbed the zombie from a moving car and shouted "where is the bomb?". He's pretty much batman in that episode.
And I totally didn't expect Andrew to win me over so much over the course of season 7.
Personally, I didn't mind the plot holes and ridiculous twists.
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