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If one were to dobie this thread, which would be worse: Big Libel board or big liberal Broad?
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The board is to the right of the political forum I frequent most often. That said, it's quite a bit to the left of where it was before I left (c. 2000), having lost much of its quaint family-centric / Midwestern / LDS character and landing somewhere very slightly left of what the polls say median Americans believe.
Me? I'd have no problem being called a liberal...in the sense that Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. (Recent American perversions of the term don't make much sense.) If I had to choose a modern label, it would be a "1999 conservative," i.e. someone who agreed with much (but not all) of the Republican platform before the current Administration twisted it unrecognizeably.
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That would go along with my theory, that Jatraqueros tend to resist the powers that be. Since most of 2000 Clinton was still president.
I still waffle a bit between the idea that you can't legislate morality, and the idea that some things cannot be made moral, no matter how many people vote for them (i.e. slavery).
I mean, how is legislating to make a traditionally immoral thing acceptable different from legislating morality? (edit, bad example)
Okay, I'm having trouble coming up with one that wasn't adjudicated rather than legislated.
Papa Moose: I'm pretty sure that picture was taken at my place. Or at least it could have been -- Tom gets all snoozy when he visits us.
I prefer to attribute it to his high level of comfort in our home, rather than to boredom, but YMMV.
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quote:I still waffle a bit between the idea that you can't legislate morality, and the idea that some things cannot be made moral, no matter how many people vote for them (i.e. slavery).
I mean, how is legislating to make a traditionally immoral thing acceptable different from legislating morality? (edit, bad example)
I can only assume you're complaining about the movement to give homosexuals equal rights.
Morality isn't being legislated -- nobody's promoting homosexuality or prohibiting heterosexuality. In fact, if this ridiculous persecution against homosexuals by the law were to end tomorrow, struck down by the Supreme Court, it would be a blow against the legislation of morality -- no longer would homophobic or fanatically religious conservatives be able to create laws based on religious bigotry to keep homosexuals from their birthright as American citizens to equal treatment in the eyes of the law.
Or were you referring to something else?
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Yeah yeah yeah, I’m the dyslexic one. I said the quote right from JFK and didn’t say that 2004 Democratic theme. Which really is:
“Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you!”
But anyway, now that I look really dumb….. How embarrassing. But their theme still holds true!
I never realized how much posting goes on here on this board. Pretty cool.
So you all going to watch the big debate tonight? I know liberals hate Fox News since they don’t control it. So I wonder if they’ll be about to get around their channel block to actually watch. I think I’ll watch Friends and CSI instead.
quote:I know liberals hate Fox News since they don’t control it.
*heaves great sigh* *hangs head*
I don't like the over-production of it. It's like a monster truck rally (George Bush Crushinates taxes on Monday. Monday Monday MONDAY!) But that's a beef I have with all the American news stations and more and more with the CBC (curse you CBC!).
Am I the only person who just wants a person who watches the news to be informed and not entertained?
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Hey, it's been a while since we've had a user obsessed with a single issue. It's kind of odd that Jay's personal obsession is the perceived failings of liberals -- which I suppose he's taking synonymous with "Democrats" -- but to each his own, right? Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
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Phew! Now I can save my respect for somebody I actually want to give it to! Although not to myself, because apparently I can't read.
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Jay, your fascination with liberals is very interesting. Do you have any idea of how you came to be so biased about things?
I mean, really, you seem to be tilting at windmills. I don't know a single person who dislikes Fox News for anything but legitimate reasons, and I know plenty of conservatives who simply fail to watch the Fox News Network (or whatever it's called) since there are so many other better ways to access the news.
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I think that Jay's liberlophobia is proof that he's really a repressed liberal himself. Clearly, he's compensating for his own secret leanings toward the-political-position-that-dare-not-speak-its-name.
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And then if you guys didn't calm down I could've found more and more images and informed you that they were all trying to get you guys to calm down. Yah, that would've rocked.
I haven't been so much offended by Jay's comments as.....um....dumbfounded?
He's definitely beaten the record for most jaw-dropping in a single thread.
All I can say is this -- Jay, Hatrack opened my mind. I actually hope you stick around, because maybe it'll open yours.
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quote: Do you have any idea of how you came to be so biased about things?
I guess because liberals are so silly all the time!
quote: I mean, really, you seem to be tilting at windmills.
Tilting at windmills? Whaa…. http://www.tilting.com/ I like art. As long as it’s not subsidized by the government. Oh cool! I found it. The internet rocks. http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/meanings/383100.html A phrase look up. Pretty neat. “Tilting at windmills” means Attacking Imaginary Enemies. No, liberals are very real. And scary. I know plenty of libs who hate fox news because they think it leans to the right. Maybe this is what you meant by legitimate reasons. But you see, I see Fox news as actually just reporting the news and letting it’s viewers deciding instead of the usual alphabet network way of reporting and giving opinions as you do.
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Lalo, I actually thought of a good example as I was getting into bed last night. The District of Columbia considered a law that minors over the age of 11 can have sex with persons no more than 4 years their senior. So an adult could have sex with a minor as young as 14 (assuming an 18 year old adult). I was in that age range when it was discussed, I don't know if it happened.
My first thought was about abortion. I don't really consider the protection of homosexuality as a minority status to be settled yet. I don't favor a constitutional amendment on marriage sanctity, though I don't favor instituting gay marriage either. Just like I don't believe in the republican plank of an anti-abortion amendment, but I also think abortion should only be publicly funded for therapeutic reasons.
Anyway, Jay, if you want to see a Hatrack debate on gay marriage I would suggest you familiarize yourself with the search feature. As a matter of fact, you could have started by checking FAQ's for newcomers .
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OSC believes in welfare or something like that, I'm pretty sure. His stance on abortion is a mystery to me. But I don't watch FOX news, so I guess I'm not a conservative anymore.
Liberals and conservatives frequently don't know when each other are kidding. Recall the whole "Russia has been declared illegal and we are going to start bombing in 10 minutes" joke.
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It's pretty tough equate conservatives with Republicans and liberals with Democrats, which is what you seem to be doing.
I am, for the most part, an economic conservative. That's why I don't like George Bush!
I'm moderately conservative on economics and moderately liberal on social policy. That puts me directly at odds with the President.
Oh, plus I generally like the idea of smaller government. Homeland Security deparment, anyone?
Oh, and I like civil liberties. Which, you may be surprised to learn, is a traditionally conservative position. Maybe not Republican position, but a conservative one.
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I think we should retire the phrase "Tilting at windmills" and replace it with "looking for weapons of mass destruction."
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I'm just jealous because Jay comes in as a newcomer and immediately has a post that goes 3 pages!!! It took me forever to get enough response to any of my posts to accomplish that feat!!
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I won't bother with the rest of your post, but this needs a response
quote:But you see, I see Fox news as actually just reporting the news and letting it’s viewers deciding instead of the usual alphabet network way of reporting and giving opinions as you do.
And the response is...
Which US news outlet (radio, TV or print) has shown US soldiers questioning why they are in IRAQ or talking candidly about low morale?
See, the fact is that we have faced an almost total blackout of negative news on the war from the front lines. I don't necessarily blame the media for this, except that they "embedded" themselves with the troops and thus became part of the story instead of maintaining a distance from it in order to at least maintain an aura of objectivity.
Where do you get the reports about US soldiers feelings? From the UK and Canada (for English speakers).
And frankly, we don't have a single news outlet that even comes close to BBC World News. CNN used to be close but they seem to have sold out. NPR is good, but always seems to take the "quirky" side of every issue for reporting and thus misses the main thrust much of the time.
I generally like the Christian Science Monitor for it's reportage.
But the ONLY print source that's done a decent job of balanced reporting is, in my opinion, The Economist
If you haven't looked at it yet, you should!
Fox is just plain crap in comparison. Some of the other TV news shows are worse than Fox. Some are better. But they are all well below my expectations. And sinking.
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