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Katarain
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Why should I vote for whoever is running under the libertarian ticket?

This feels a lot like the "Bush-Supporters, Convince me..." threads.. [Smile]

I don't live in a swing state. It's going to Bush. I'm almost positive. (Georgia, btw.)

I hate Kerry.

I kinda like Bush.

-Katarain

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dread pirate romany
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Are Libertarians in the primary ballot in your state? If you are in a swing state, I say all the reason you need is to help get thye L's a 3% vote so next time around they will be able to run in the primaries. PLus, you are making a statement about the two major parties.
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CStroman
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As he said, a vote for libertarian registers as NOT a vote for the two party system, which opens up the doors wider with every vote for other parties... Which is a good thing IMHO.

Foreign countries (well alot of them) have nothing like our two party system. It's a 5 party system or a 15 party system or more even.

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Katarain
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Yup, they're on the ballot.

Is a Swing State one that is known to be going to a particular candidate?

I REALLY don't see Kerry taking Georgia. So Bush doesn't particularly need my vote. Not sure either of them deserve it.

-Katarain

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Phanto
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Vote Libertarian because the Libertarian party stands for ideas that are reasonable.
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Katarain
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Yeah. I think I'm gonna do research. Dunno what I'll end up deciding.

-Katarain

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Kwea
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A "swing state" is one that could swing either wasy.

If it is known that a candidate has a lock on a state, that is what it is called... Locked up for them.

I think the more options we have the better...so a Lib vote would help make the Lib party a viable one..or at leat a more viable one, in the long run.

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My favorite Libetarian quote comes from a debate during the last Philly mayoral election. The Libetarian (who was not a strong candidate by any stretch of the imagination) said something along the lines of "People want thing that they didn't earn. Take me for instance. I want a yatch, but I don't have one. And I'm not going to say that the government should give me a yatch."

And I'm thinking, "Sweet bumbly-Joe, this guy thinks that talking about the yatch he doesn't have is going to convince people to vote for him."

That being said, the Libetarians stand for a much smaller government and fiscal responsibility. If you feel that the current Republican actions on these issues don't fit with what you would want to be, voting Libetarian might help nudge the Republicans towards them. It is also a step, albiet a small one, towards establishing the legitmacy of third parties, which might be something you'd want. I tihnk the number varies by state, but I know that, on a federal level, if a third party receives 5% of the popular vote, their status changes and they gain access to things like federal matching funding for their campaigns.

The drawback is that, if you live in a state where the vote is going to be close (a "swing" state), voting for someone who isn't going to win might take your important vote away from, in the case George Bush. If your state is unlikely to be close, I don't see how there really are any drawbacks.

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Libertarians are also very big of personal freedom and responsibility. It's great! [Smile]
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For a very specific, limited view of personal responsibility that is. For example, Libetarians don't believe that we have any responsibility towards the Native Americans.
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Phanto, would you say Libertarian form of government would be more reactive than pro-active?

Meaning, react to things people do instead of preventing them from doing them to begin with type?

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Yes, a Libertarian type of government would be reactive to crime and that such. I am not fully hard-core in that I do believe in a small amount of social programs and all that.
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Katarain
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Perhaps the better thing to do is vote for the 3rd party in local/state elections.

-Katarain

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The libertarians are the only group running who actually have a real plan that will balance the budget again.
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CSPAN has video of the 3rd Party Presidential Debates for anyone interested in Badnarik(L) or Cobb(G).
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I'm a dues paying member of the Libertarian Party, but I simply can not bring myself to vote for Badnarik. His views are so excessively extreme that he wants to privatize the police force. This contradicts the basic libertarian belief that the government exists to protect people's life, liberty, and property from force or fraud. Instead, Badnarik promotes anarchy. For all of the reasons that Speed listed, I don't like Bush or Kerry. However, I think that a state of anarchy is even worse. For this reason, I'm voting for Bush (and in Texas, that really won't change anything much anyways [Razz] ). He may spend our money unresponsibly, but Kerry's guaranteed to be worse. There's my two cents on the issue. [Big Grin]
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