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Adam Dobrin
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In 1666, Sir Isaac Newton discovered the laws of physics and motion.
In 1831, Michael Faraday discovered the law of induction.
In 1873, James Maxwell discovered a set of equations which explained the electromagnetic forces.
In 1922, Neils Bohr won the Nobel Prize for foundational contributions to quantum physics.

Three of the four went to Trinity College in London, and all resided in London at one point. Faraday, the only one who did not attend Trinity had his laboratory at Trinity Buoy Wharf.

The statistical significance of the three most pivotal discoveries in physics leading up to this point occurring at nearly the same location is less than 1%. The fact that all three locations included Trinity is not a coincidence, it is a signature.

Between 1920 and 1930 Heisenberg and Einstein would make great strides in quantum and particle physics. Soon after, Theodore Kaluza would unite Einstein and Maxwell's equations with a theory by introducing a fifth dimension. All three were German.

All of the discoveries above were required, and fundamental in the development of quantum mind control.

Quantum charge neural stimulation, can remotely read and write neural firing patterns, through electromagnetic shielding. It does not require you to be stationary, and works all the time. The technology is very similar to TEMPEST 2, but for your brain.

In 1932, Aldous Huxley wrote Brave New World.
In 1948, George Orwell wrote write 1984.

These two authors met in one place, at one time, in London; at Eton College in 1917. Their works are both descriptions of a tyrannical government oppressing its people using fear, the media, and mind control.

1984 is a reality today, with the only difference being that you do not know it is going on. World governments are using this mind control to suppress pubic knowledge of technological advances in quantum physics, including the artificial intelligence singularity as well as mind control itself.

There is no explanation for this truth other than a message from the future. It is a warning.

In 1980, 1982, and 1984 Pope John Paul II met with the President of the United States. Orwell retitled his novel three times.

George H.W. Bush was practically running the show by '84, as Reagan had been the victim of an attempted assassination, and then unfortunately stricken with Alzheimers. Bush has been implicated in the JFK conspiracy, and was a Director of Central Intelligence. He was also involved in the Iran Contra cover up, linking him to "The Octopus", a group related to the CIA, the Justice Department, and Organized Crime; and a mind control conspiracy involving the death of Danny Casolaro and investigator Cheri Seymour. His eldest son was a member of Skull and Bones, and the sitting President on 9/11.

The Reagan/Bush administration were partially responsible for inflating the prices of cocaine and oil via foreign and domestic policy. American Intelligence proceeds from these actions most likely contributed significantly to the building of the Echelon infrastructure, outside the purview of the United States Congress and the OMB.

Echelon is controlled by the singularity. It would be impossible for anything other than an artificial intelligence to sift through the volume of information travelling back and forth on the internet alone. It acts as a censorWall, like in China, except its transparent and everyone thinks its just for surveillance (are you stupid?). It is also controlling your mind.

On September 11, 2001, the United States government committed a false flag attack that would be used in order to explain the existence of a psycho-surveillance infrastructure, utilizing quantum mind control which had been globally in place for at least a decade prior. It is the reason you are allowing your Constitutional Freedoms to be destroyed. This reason is stupid, really stupid. Your brain doesn't understand that because of mind control.

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Dan_Frank
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Then what happened?

You can't leave your story on such a cliffhanger, man.

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If that were true...why would they -let- you post about it?

Between mind control and an AI in the net you should not have a doughnut's chance in a police station of getting the out the truth...which means your pot is thoroughly cracked or you are one of them spreading misinformation to throw us off the -really real- conspiracy...the Illuminati/Masons secret dark side of the moon base, used to slowly make the people more and more dumb with the use of genetically engineered food and radio waves.

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GinetteB
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A simple analysis of what happens to people in a stressed society (unjust social systems, big gap between rich and poor, violence, undemocratic not only in politics but also in religious systems, at jobs etc.). A common symptom of stress is black-and-white thinking and narrowmindedness. It obstructs the working of the conscience, leading to actions and behaviour, harmful to ourselves and often also to others. This spreads the stress over more people, and as most people have big difficulties making a distinction between actor and action, it leads to distrust, suspicion and hate. To protect themselves, people illuminate themselves and see the other as 'difficult' or 'toxic' or 'evil'. Groups without a goal to come up with constructive action, but mainly as an outlet for frustrations and the need for a feeling of solidarity, are being formed based on 'us' against 'they'. Yet this doesn't help to cure the stress, so even within those groups, connections between people are superficial and reserved. Now the mental state enters the next phase of being exposed to prolonged stress, a lack of warmheartedness and the resulting inadequate level of social relationships: People are turning inwards becoming more and more self-occupied, and upwards, looking for salvation from the heavens.
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Stephan
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
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As a side note: Reagan also met with John Paul II twice in 1987. And Bush met with him in '89 and '91. And Clinton met with him four times over eight years. And the other Bush met with him three times before he died.

I suppose it's interesting that Orwell only retitled his book three times. *laugh*

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World governments are using this mind control to suppress pubic knowledge of technological advances in quantum physics
Pubic knowledge of quantum physics, eh?
*wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean, that's what she said*

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Adam Dobrin
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Public knowledge meaning the obvious truth that entanglement conveys information. Theres practically "fanatical" army of literature putting forward the false truth that classical information cannot be conveyed via entanglement.

Also, there has been very little "groundbreaking" work done since around WW2 in publicly disclosed physics.

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You have proof that information can be sent via entanglement?

Let as know as soon as possible.

Hobbes [Smile]

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Where did I put my blue pills? I need them something fierce right now.
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quote:
On September 11, 2001, the United States government committed a false flag attack that would be used in order to explain the existence of a psycho-surveillance infrastructure, utilizing quantum mind control which had been globally in place for at least a decade prior. It is the reason you are allowing your Constitutional Freedoms to be destroyed. This reason is stupid, really stupid. Your brain doesn't understand that because of mind control.
Cool story bro.

Are you someone having a laugh by pretending to be crazy? Because if so, you're boring, and it's played out, go away.

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How did he know that all of the government mind control agents frequent Hatrack. Has surveillance been started yet? He obviously knows too much.
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Derp Aros, Ender's Game is obviously a how-to manual for brain washing students. Didn't you notice that we all got scouted for the secret version of the C.I.A. only after buying the book?
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Let's all have our fun having a laugh at the person obviously suffering from psychosis (or trolling) but may I make a sincere recommendation: can there be some sort of organized method of moderator intervention when someone is obviously crazypostin' and given their state of mind are not going to have any productive and healthy interactions with the environment of the forum

It is regretfully the nature of such things that people like adam dobrin are going to behave in ways that result in them being goaded and mocked because they are having an obvious break from reality and this is amusing and fun to poke at from afar. This poster not being part of ~the community~ or whatever shouldn't change an obligation to head off 'let's mock the crazy person!' as an environment.

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Aros
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Is it against the TOS to be crazy? Furthermore, is it the responsibility of the community to get said crazy people help? Is it possible?

<shrug> I'll put together a logic table if you want. But I think that the only real value to be gained is in derision.

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quote:
Originally posted by Aros:
Is it against the TOS to be crazy?

I really hope not... can we talk about cookies now?
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Ok, so, what ought we to be doing? Vote Romney? Vote Obama? Vote third party? Blow up the polling station? Tear down the cell towers that are broadcasting the mind-control radiation? Don't leave us hanging, man! You can't give us all this information and no plan of action!
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quote:
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But I think that the only real value to be gained is in derision.

And you are saying this in regards to someone who does not need derision, nor do they need any sort of access to an environment of mockery.

Assuming all that has been written here is true, you are interacting with a very unwell person. This place shouldn't be allowed to be an environment that can contribute to that unwellness for the sake of gratifying our desire to laugh at a mentally ill human being.

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quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
quote:
Originally posted by Aros:
But I think that the only real value to be gained is in derision.

And you are saying this in regards to someone who does not need derision, nor do they need any sort of access to an environment of mockery.

Assuming all that has been written here is true, you are interacting with a very unwell person. This place shouldn't be allowed to be an environment that can contribute to that unwellness for the sake of gratifying our desire to laugh at a mentally ill human being.

I can't second this strongly enough.
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Aros
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quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:

Assuming all that has been written here is true, you are interacting with a very unwell person. This place shouldn't be allowed to be an environment that can contribute to that unwellness for the sake of gratifying our desire to laugh at a mentally ill human being.

You are assuming that this can be an environment where he'll accept and receive help? He obviously has built a wall where his ego is not listening. You try to help; he becomes defensive. You ignore him; he goes away (maybe). You mock him? He still becomes defensive, right?

What do you think is more likely to get him to reflect on his situation? You telling him to get help? Or getting mocked on a message board? If his walls are up so high, shouldn't the point be to bring them down enough so that he questions his assumptions?

I'm thinking that the mockery will be more effective. If not, at least it will be more entertaining.

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The mockery may drive him to lash out at the site and its members in meaningful ways, and in a worst-case scenario it may aggravate the crash he'll experience when he stops riding his current mania. Don't attempt to justify it by arguing that it's therapeutic; if you want to mock the sick person for being sick, just own up to it and don't try to pretend otherwise.

I've contacted a guy who's probably his father, but let's just say that I don't think Adam will be getting much support from his family. It's an unfortunate situation, and I hope he finds his way out of it.

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Aros
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And you don't feel that a helpful tact (rather than a mocking one) might prove just as dangerous? If he thinks you're serious (I've read your book, seek help, yada yada), might he not be even more likely to try convince you? To prove him that he's right? At least he's more likely to brush off casual mockery. I think the danger would come if he thinks he has a chance to get through to you.

The best answer is probably just to ignore him.

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GinetteB
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A basic definition of mentally ill is 'not restraining from harming oneself and others'. So then I am not so sure if your diagnosis is right Samprimary. Everybody has the right to have their own beliefs. Adam's beliefs are no more 'mentally ill' than the belief, a person in trouble deserves the trouble, because he has collected bad karma in previous lifes. Or because God or Allah is punishing them. Or to think Jesus will take everyone who says 'Thank you, I love you' to heaven - and all the others not etc. etc. etc.
These beliefs are all caused by a lack of warmheartedness - or love - in society, and a lack of honest, authentic social relationships, so that would be what is called loneliness.

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This is true, the person posting this may need help that we are neither qualified or capable of giving. Pity will only enrage someone at this point.

But we can not let the bad reasoning, ill-logic, and conspiracy fear go unanswered. That is how psychopaths gain power, when their weird conspiracy theories sound reasonable enough to be accepted by the uniformed, and too foolish for the well informed to protest.

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Darth_Mauve, Who are you to decide Adam needs help? Is he a danger to the life of himself or others? No. Did he ask for help? No.

'We cannot let...blahblahblah...unanswered' Sounds a little paranoia, to be honest.
And 'that is how psychopaths gain power' sounds hysterical. Mind, I am judging your language, not you. Just asking you to investigate your own beliefs instead of his. And read my posts too, if you want to engage in the thread.

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How psychopaths gain power!?!?! How did I not put it together? This is a viral marketing campaign for the new Hannibal series on NBC!

http://www.nbc.com/hannibal/about/

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quote:
Originally posted by GinetteB:
Is he a danger to the life of himself or others? No.

How can you possibly know this?
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I don't know, guys, I think this "assume he is mentally ill" shtick is presumptuous and dehumanizing.

Where I live people with these kinds of views are fairly common. Many such people live fine lives and have jobs and families and so on and so forth while believing in the secret shadow government that caused 9/11 and controls us through the media. Belief in absurd conspiracy theories is just one of many irrational stupid beliefs people can have.

People can have beliefs that sound crazy to you, without being crazy. They can simply be wrong.

Hell, Sam, you made fun of Alex Jones of infowars just the other day, and the stuff Adam's said is no weirder than the crap that guy says.

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quote:
Originally posted by GinetteB:
A basic definition of mentally ill is 'not restraining from harming oneself and others'. So then I am not so sure if your diagnosis is right Samprimary.

That's actually not a definition of mental illness at all.

Basic, or otherwise.

That's a distortion of a short copy of one of the more common (but not universal) basic criteria for when a person has warranted immediate forced medical intervention by authorities under involuntary commitment laws - is an 'immediate threat to themselves or others' or is 'gravely disabled.'

It shouldn't have to be said but mental illness is not restricted to people who immediately satisfy medical intervention requirements. Medical intervention is actually in a dire state in this country, where concerningly few of the individuals satisfying the requirements for needing medical intervention will have a system in place to provide warranted intervention, even with the desperate pleading of family members.

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These beliefs are all caused by a lack of warmheartedness - or love - in society, and a lack of honest, authentic social relationships, so that would be what is called loneliness.
In your view, does something like schizophrenia exist because of 'a lack of warmheartedness in society?' Would you claim that type II Bipolar would not exist if society didn't cause loneliness?

How much do you honestly know about mental illness?

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Hell, Sam, you made fun of Alex Jones of infowars just the other day, and the stuff Adam's said is no weirder than the crap that guy says.
Alex Jones is not personally interacting with or reading this forum, dan.
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It is in Europe. As it is THE criterium that decides whether a person can be forced to undergo treatment: a serious danger to the life of themselves or others.
(And it is only a matter of logic, to see that this starts with 'not restraining from harming oneself or others')

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And I said a BASIC definition. Meaning the fundament. On that fundament, you can build many diseases, mental illnesses.
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quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
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Hell, Sam, you made fun of Alex Jones of infowars just the other day, and the stuff Adam's said is no weirder than the crap that guy says.
Alex Jones is not personally interacting with or reading this forum, dan.
Ah, so you think he's mentally ill too, and if you personally interacted with him you'd try to help him and/or not make fun of him?

I genuinely didn't realize that, not asking sarcastically. Good to know.

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Jeesh I didn't read the whole post.


'What do you HONESTLY know about mental illness?'

As if I need to be an encyclopedia on mental illnesses to come up with the BASIC European definition.

Can't you just think before you post?

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quote:
Originally posted by GinetteB:
It is in Europe. As it is THE criterium that decides whether a person can be forced to undergo treatment: a serious danger to the life of themselves or others.
(And it is only a matter of logic, to see that this starts with 'not restraining from harming oneself or others')

Right, look at what you are saying. It is the criterium that decides whether a person can be forced to undergo treatment. That's not the criterium for mental illness, of which one could name scores of specific forms that do not involve danger that warrants involuntary confinement or treatment. You can have, for instance, persistent OCD which could be considered a moderate disability, but not dangerous. Or schizotypal behaviors. Or BPD. Or <continue list forever>.

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As if I need to be an encyclopedia on mental illnesses to come up with the BASIC European definition.
I repeat, that's not the basic definition of mental illness. It is also not the basic european definition of mental illness. Whether we are using the WHO, or the European Psychiatric Association, or any other body which is making some unseen claim to the Official European Definition of mental disorder.
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(Psst, Sam, it's criterion, not criterium. Unless the determining factor in whether or not someone is forced into psychiatric care is a bike race)
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(If they can pedal faster than you they're probably fine)
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Ok. Not 'definition'. Criterium for forcing treatment upon someone.
That was what the discussion was about.

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Oh.... criteriON.... [Wall Bash]
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quote:
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Ah, so you think he's mentally ill too, and if you personally interacted with him you'd try to help him and/or not make fun of him?

I genuinely didn't realize that, not asking sarcastically. Good to know.

Dude's crazy as a fruit bat but aside from some unhinged tumult he is obviously functional in life and will likely have a sufficient support network there for him if he does hit the ever so common went-over-the-bend spree or period of disabling mania. He can just carry right on with telling us all about the government weather and earthquake control machines and secret zionist illuminati bildenberg conspiracies or whatever.
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quote:
Originally posted by GinetteB:
Ok. Not 'definition'. Criterium for forcing treatment upon someone.
That was what the discussion was about.

You claimed that, quote,

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A basic definition of mentally ill is 'not restraining from harming oneself and others'
.. and that relative to that my 'diagnosis' (at present, there is none, other than that 'right now this guy seems mentally ill and should reach out to someone who can help him') is incorrect.

That is what I am responding to.

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I am not comfortable with letting disturbed people vent their fantasies here. But I have not determined yet if the correct course of action is to just immediately lock or delete any threads as they form.
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Just to clarify things, while I seem to see a rather large percentage of people saying the ideas are "crazy", what exactly in them is crazy?

Is the belief that our government had foreknowledge of 9/11 crazy? Have you seen Farenheight 9/11?

Do you believe our government has real time satellite imagery? Is it strange that they did not stop subsequent planes after the first? Do you think the DOD didn't think to contact the pilots of other inbound international aircraft?

Are the Executive Branch's movements that morning odd?

I'm curious as to what details you find require "derision".

Thanks.

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What exactly about mind control is crazy? Do you not believe we have the science?

Do you believe that the CIA stopped researching and developing mind control technology after William Colby lied to the U.S. Congress in 1971 -- there has been no public disclosure from them since.

Do you think the holy grail of intelligence gathering would simply be "left behind" because someone jumped out of a window on LSD?

Or is it that you believe our government is not "evil enough" to perpetrate such a thing on their own citizenry? Please see above post.

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I hate to dumb down the original post, but let me be a little more verbose about what you should be reading between the lines.

While the first four statements, and then the following mentioning statistical significance may seem like it is not relevant to the following post, it is my intention to say that those acts are not only required for, but are specifically due to "mind control".

Once you accept that this technology exists, and that it has been used on humans, prior to its technological development the rest should fall in to place.

The fact that it at least "could" have been used on authors such as: Huxley, Orwell, Dick, and Card should at least be entertained... or is that too big of a leap?

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btw, thanks for the back up, Dan and Ginette. I'm pretty sure I'm more sane than most. Frankly, I think 90% of the post is a listing of material facts, with very little wiggle room. The point of them of course, is to attempt to prove something most people "do not believe" -- which in my opinion is a public service, protected by First Amendment rights.

To answer your question, there is much, much more after. But as Stone_wolf said, "they" probably wouldn't be happy about it being posted. My story links to the Casolaro Octopus, however, and I'm certain that my book and "The Last Circle" would be very interesting if you like the content.

Stone_wolf: while the technology may be there, its proliferation outside of international intelligence, or the federal government may not be -- your local police, and your local court house do not necessarily have access to them.

As a side note, if the CIA did have the ability to tell whether or not you were telling the truth _for certain_, do you think your local Judge should?

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The fact that you think it's 90% fact is the surest proof there is that you're not qualified to judge your own sanity.
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El JT, thanks for letting everyone know the type of post I was trying to avoid. To be more clear, can we list exactly which points qualify on this forum as lacking sanity?

Also, I went through the statement, and I'd like to amend my comment. I believe it is 70% fact. If you take out the comments about 9/11 and Echelon, which I believe are ancillary to the actual conversation, I am upwards of 85% fact.

Perhaps your lack of an actual analysis proves something about you?

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quote:
Stone_wolf: while the technology may be there, its proliferation outside of international intelligence, or the federal government may not be -- your local police, and your local court house do not necessarily have access to them.
Doughnuts?
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