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LibbieMistretta
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All right, here I go!

These are the first 13 lines of my first draft of my fantasy novel (dark fantasy, where crummy things happen to good characters - the best kind!). The characters are horses, because there just aren't enough Watership Downs in this world.

I don't have much written beyond the first two chapters, so I'm not looking for a reader at this time (soon, though!). I'm mostly interested in whether this opening hooks you, and whether it just seems totally ridiculous. Honestly.

Thanks!

(This came out to 13 lines double-spaced on my laptop, including the paragraph break, but it looks a little long written here. I hope I didn't exceed....)
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It was said that Aranhim was born under an evil sign. On the night of her birth, the moon hung swollen and red in a too-hot spring sky. The mares gathered around Aranhim's dam to sing the birthing songs, but fear was in their voices. Sanchara, the Herd's roan seer, pleaded with the laboring mare to hold off the birth. "Wait until sunrise," she said. "For your good, and the foal's."

Sila, golden and arrogant even as she sweated through her pains, tossed her head in laughter. She did not believe in signs an portents. Sila was a practical mare, taking her days as they came. Fretting over the course of the future was for the deer and the rabbits - the creatures touched by time. Time's river may carry the little lives of the world ever

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I like this, but I lean heavily toward the lyrical. I would read on. *nit* check your spelling - an should be and.

Good writing


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For length, remember to put the lines in Courir New. I have you over by 3 words so I’m not too bothered. Taking it line by line:

“It was said that Aranhim was born under an evil sign.” – My only complaint is that this sounds a touch clichéd. I’d maybe start with the seer’s warning here, or at least with a more definite statement, rooted in the scene that this, rather vague statement.

“On the night of her birth, the moon hung swollen and red in a too-hot spring sky.”—Possibly a little heavy on the adjectives but that’s personal choce.

“The mares gathered around Aranhim's dam to sing the birthing songs, but fear was in their voices.”—Why? At the moment we only have the ‘evil sign’ to go on and that feels like its something that comes after this scene. Why are they scared NOW. Again I think this is an argument to put the seer’s warning up front.

“Sanchara, the Herd's roan seer, pleaded with the laboring mare to hold off the birth. "Wait until sunrise," she said. "For your good, and the foal's."”—the only thing that really bothers me here is the word “roan.” It clues us in that we’re talking about horses, but so do the words ‘mare’ and ‘foal.’ It kind of jars to me.

“Sila, golden and arrogant even as she sweated through her pains, tossed her head in laughter. She did not believe in signs an portents. Sila was a practical mare, taking her days as they came.”—All of this is nice.

“Fretting over the course of the future was for the deer and the rabbits - the creatures touched by time. Time's river may carry the little lives of the world ever downstream, but horses were like boulders, islands. Time split where they stood and passed them by, untouched.”—You seem to be descending into vague terms and metaphors when you discuss anything mystical. The opening line is part of the same problem. I assume you’re doing it because you want the mystical to sound, well, mysterious. However, I think the language you use here could stand to be a little less florid. When you’re describing simple actions, like the passage above, your tone is very direct and straight-forward. It makes it easier for me to read and draws me in more.

That’s my 2 cents anyway. All very subjective. Hope it helps.


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Thanks, both of you! Thexmedic, your suggestions help a lot. My problem is that I don't really want the whole "untouched by time" thing to become a major part of the plot until a couple of chapters into it, so I'm not sure how or even *if* to exposit that in the very beginning without totally blowing the whole plot point too early. Maybe it would be better to leave it unsaid for now.

But then, I worry that if I don't hint at something "mystical" on the first page, I'll make an editor roll his eyes and say, "BLAH, BLAH, talking ponies, big deal. Why should I care?"

Otherwise, I am digging your suggestions, as I hadn't thought to put Sanchara's warning first. The only reason I'm still hesitating over axing the "It was said..." line as the opener is because the whole novel is meant to be a sort of "ancient history" that present-day horses tell each other, their oral history, if you will. That was going to be revealed in the final passages of the book (but not in a deus ex machina moment, don't worry). However, maybe I don't need that aspect at all. It might be a more powerful story if I just leave it in "the past" and don't worry about how it ties to the present.

You guys are the best. BIG GROUP HUG! I'm going to write until my fingers fall off this weekend!

p.s. I'm not a big fan of the florid, either, but I originally planned to make the first chapter a touch on the prosey side, just because of the "story being told" bit. But if I nix that idea, I can be more simple. I like it.

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I like the first line. I think it sets the tone, but I you might try making it active instead of passive: rather than "It was said..." what about "They said..." or whoever. My initial response was, well, who said? or where was it said. The suggestion about starting off wtih a description of the moon is cogent here.

The swollen mood hung red in the sky. A bad sign, but Sila did not believe in omens or portents...

It's your story, play around. I do like the concept, though.

Good writing


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I like it, but could be biased by my love of Watership Down. On the other hand, this clearly isn't Watership Down. I know that's sometimes used as a putdown, in this case it's simply an observation, Watership Down begins very differently from this.

On the "reliability" issue of this opening, you say "It was said", and then proceed to narrate the events without any further mention of the reliability level. That's not wrong, but you should remember it before the end of this scene.

Aside from that issue (which currently dictates the form of this opening), there aren't any points that stood out as problems for me. I liked it and would keep reading.


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Survivor: I love WD, too. I have a tattoo of the Black Rabbit. Thanks for the insights!
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I liked this opening and would keep reading.

It did remind me of a book I read years ago, called The Heavenly Horse of the Outermost West (or something like that). That characters in that book were horses also, with a seer as one of the main characters.


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I like this opening as well. I could nitpick about spelling errors and a few words that could be cut, but my advice is to keep writing. Don't get cranked up about the first few lines or chapters. Get through the first draft and then go back and start seeing what needs adjusting.
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I like this opening, but it seems to be missing an emotion or series of sensations to establish that the horses aren't simply horse-shaped humans.

Using your comparison of Watership Down, the reader was given a few bits of rabbit language (especially in the characters' names, which were given in rabbit language and then deliberately translated), some interesting description of how rabbits view evening and sunrise, even a bit of rabbit lore...all of these things lended credibility and brought the reader into the rabbits' world.

I've read a lot about how editors don't want anymore "talking animals" stories and books, but I think readers, especially young readers, are eager for more. This has a lot of potential, especially if you can somehow make the transition that will bring your horses to life and still have them be sweaty and enormous and ready to spook at the drop of a hat.


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Works for me. I don't like the signs-and-portents stuff, but it's certainly legitimate, and I could get over it. Clear, interesting, and we already understand horsey society!
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"It did remind me of a book I read years ago, called The Heavenly Horse of the Outermost West (or something like that). That characters in that book were horses also, with a seer as one of the main characters."

Yes, I read that book. I really liked it, but saw a lot of things I would have done differently with horse characters, and my story is considerably different from Mary Stanton's. Still, I'm working hard to keep from making it too similar. It's tough.


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"I like this opening, but it seems to be missing an emotion or series of sensations to establish that the horses aren't simply horse-shaped humans."

Horse-shaped humans?! Oh, no! Not my intent! Can you explain this a bit more for me? I'm not certain that I can fit any more horseness into the first 13, but there is definitely much horseyness in the paragraphs that follow.

"some interesting description of how rabbits view evening and sunrise, even a bit of rabbit lore...all of these things lended credibility and brought the reader into the rabbits' world."

Yes - I have been working a lot on establishing a kind of "alien society" for the horses so they aren't human-like (is that what you were referring to above?). It comes out more, like I said, in the subsequent lines that I can't post here, and I've been working on holding onto that in further chapters, too. It's harder than I thought it would be.

"I've read a lot about how editors don't want anymore "talking animals" stories and books, but I think readers, especially young readers, are eager for more. This has a lot of potential, especially if you can somehow make the transition that will bring your horses to life and still have them be sweaty and enormous and ready to spook at the drop of a hat. "

What? Why? I can only think of a few (relatively) off the top of my head. They must just get tons of mediocre submissions - is that it?

I know I'm eager for more. I can't be the only adult who loves animals, either, and who wants to read good animal stories. I think the "talking animal" thing is ingrained in the human story-receiving experience - there are so many folk stories from so many different cultures that have animal characters.


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Thanks also to Pat and wbriggs for your comments! They are much appreciated.

In a couple of weeks, I will probably post looking for readers for a chapter or two, so if you're interested, please keep an eye out.

It has no title yet, so I'm just going to call it "horse novel." ha ha.


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Let me say something about "horse-shaped humans."

OSC talked about this. It's OK to have very humanized, or only slightly humanized, animals. Mickey Mouse wears trousers, drives a car, and has a dog; there's nothing mouselike about him but a few physical features. The Watership Down rabbits were rabbit in their society and habits, but they could speak and have government. You just have to be clear about what the reader can expect. (Not necessarily in the 1st 13. I think you've done quite well so far.)

That said, if they're too human, I won't see the point.


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I wasn't meaning to be overly critical. I quite like your piece, just as it is. But I like it so much, I spent a lot of time thinking about it...and the only thing that consistently bothered me was the lack of wildness.

Foaling is such a vulnerable time, especially when you look at a wild horse as a pure prey species. In fact, my understanding of feral horse behavior indicates that the mares leave the herd prior to foaling, deliver in isolation, and then return to the herd once their foals are mobile and bonded well enough to stay close.

I'm not saying you should change your scene, but you sacrifice some of your characters' wild behaviors and primitive instincts when you place them in the kind of social structure you have created. I don't think the loss cripples your story, but it makes you have to work harder to keep your horses convincingly un-domesticated.

Like most teenage girls, I went through my "horse phase" (I'm still in it, and I also remember when microwaves hit the market, so I'm quite a ways past my teens), and what I love about being near horses is the way they smell, the way they sound when they breathe, and how warm they are. These are the sensations I'd like to find in your story, but I don't know how to suggest getting them there. (I mean, really, they would smell quite mundane to each other, wouldn't they?)


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wbriggs: Okay, I see what you mean. Thanks!
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Novice: Oh, heck, I didn't think you were being overly critical! I was just reacting with my own personal chagrin to the idea that editors don't want more talking animal stories. Those are the best kind! Well, hopefully they'll like MINE, anyway!

Yes - you are correct about foaling behavior, and I'm glad that I'm creating a horse society that is obviously "wrong" to somebody who knows horses. Early in the novel, everything about how these horses live together (and about how they react to their environment) is contrary to modern horse behavior, by design. The main plot point in my story is that horses are so loved by the Creator-figure (haven't introduced the idea of him/her/it yet, so no name for it yet) that they are given eternal lives and never fall victim to illness, and never age beyond their prime. As long as they remain in their valley, they are protected from predators, as well. They have a sort of paradise of innocence.

Then a murder is committed out of jealousy, and as punishment from their god, the horses lose all their gifts - even the valley is no longer protected, so they fragment into small herds (like modern wild horse herds), begin to spread out from their original area, and face all kinds of difficulties.

Basically, it's the story of how horses became the prey animals that we know. It's also the story of how and why they left North America (as you know, horse evolved in North America, but migrated for unknown reasons to Asia via the Bering land bridge). It's based heavily on the Garden of Eden idea, as well as some other similar creation myths. My goal is to tell the story as if it's the traditional creation myth of the horses - as if it's an oral history that every horse hears from its mother as a foal.

I'm taking quite a lot of liberties, such as having palomino and roan and pinto horses - and the main character, Aranhim, is a cremello. (As you also probably know, it's most likely that the original horses who evolved in North America were mealy dun, like the Przewalski's horse.) Some other minor things that most horse nuts would question, too, but I'm justifying it by saying that this is the myth of modern horses - they don't have any way of knowing that horses weren't neat colors back in their pre-domestication days. I'll include a note about the horses' appearances in a foreword once the book is done, if it will help.

I've been consulting on horse behavior with a friend who's a trainer/rehab specialist of ex-race horses, so hopefully by the time the big sin happens and they all start to change into "real" horses, their behavior and social structure will be more familiar.

Thanks for your input! It's good to know that there's another horse fan here. I hope you'll be able to read more of it once I have it ready for critique!

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We hope you'll get busy and write it for us.
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I thought the plot and characterization of the story seemed very familiar. Now, about a week after reading the opening 13, I remember where I had encountered it. A friend had loaned me a book titled The Rainbow Stallion. The plot contained all the characterizations I see here: the willful, rebellious mare, the wise mare, the seer, etc.. It seems there are at least two known novels about your subject matter, with very similar characters. One you've apparently read. You may want to familiarize yourself with the book I've read just so you can avoid too much similarity with the plot and characters. I'm sorry, I don't remember who the author is, but she apparently has written several related books. Perhaps she is the author already mentioned.
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Thanks - I've never heard of The Rainbow Stallion before, so I'll have to check into it. I wonder if that book borrowed from the Heavenly Horse, or vice-versa, because there is a "rainbow stallion" in the Heavenly Horse. I'll check it out, in any case - thanks!
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Hmm - I'm not finding *any* info anywhere on a book called "The Rainbow Stallion." The closest I came to finding something similarly titled was a 40-page children's picture book called "The Rainbow Horse."

Are you sure you aren't mistaking the title of the book? I hope so, because I don't want to have to nit-pick through TWO books to make sure mine is dissimilar enough - it's already hard enough with one! ha ha

Here's the cover of _The Heavenly Horse_. Does it look familiar?

http://www.marystanton.com/ContentManager/uploads/cover-The_Heavenly_Horse_from_the_Outermost_West.jpg

I'm hoping that my story is different enough. My "seer" doesn't do much but act silly and superstitious for a couple of pages, whereas in HH, she has a very large role in the story. The rebellious mare you meet in the opening scene is killed by a big cat a few chapters later, rather than being the "female lead" of the story. Whereas HH is about domesticated horses struggling to save a particular breed of horse from disappearing forever, my story is about horses who existed well before domestication in North America, who have to cope as a whole society with a world that suddenly changes completely for them.

There is a "bad guy" mare who is black, which is the only similarity I can think of at the moment that might tie it too closely to HH. However, she doesn't have the specific role ("Soultaker") that the black mare in HH has: She's just selfish, jealous, and out of control, and makes some very bad choices that impact her entire world negatively.

so, HOPEFULLY, I am not too near HH's plot! Aside from the mean black mare and the "talking horses" idea, hopefully it will stand out enough to be clearly different.

Oh, the sequel to HH, _Piper at the Gates_ is the only one I can think of that Mary Stanton wrote in the HH universe. Again, it has the "talking horses" aspect, of course, but otherwise is as dissimilar from my story as is possible to get. Other than that, Mary Stanton has written a lot of young adult fantasy novels about a girl and a unicorn, but fortunately, there are no girls or unicorns in mine.

Man, this business of keeping my idea away from other talking horse ideas is nasty hard!

Anyway, thanks for your input! If HH is *not* the book you were thinking of, please let me know and I'll continue the search for the one you mentioned.

Danke!


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Wow, that's strange. I've been trying to think of the unicorn book that started out in a valley with a herd of unicorns that were favored by the gods and goddesses, etc. Your passage reminded me of it, but only because of the seer part (and the valley). And...TA DA...the Unicorns of Balinor (trilogy) by Mary Stanton. When her unicorns end up in the modern world, they seem to be horses. (I can't say that there's really anything similar between your described plot and that series of books, it was just the "seer" and valley parts that reminded me of something I'd read before. Now I know what it was, which is just plain strange.)
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ohh...Okay, thanks, Novice. Just to be sure I'm not getting too close to her idea, then, I'll read the series and make sure nothing gets too similar.
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It has been driving me crazy and I finally got a chance to double check the book. I just finished a horsey book where the horses were literally gods unlike the Valdamir "horses" which were something else entirely.

You might want to look at Call of the Mountain . While it is a different premise, your voice is very simiar.

Don't let the fact that there are similar books discourage you though. It just means there are a lot of us who actually buy them. :)



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Thanks, kings_falcon! I've already read that one, actually, and it is dissimilar enough (mostly in that the main characters are human). Fairly good fantasy, though! It was interesting and original.
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This is something that I would definately read! I love horses, and I ADORE the way that you described the night, and the moon. *Sighs* I'm a sucker for evil!! When you have more than two chapters, let me know!!! *Begs*
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I read the Rainbow Horse when I was a kid. I loved that book, and I loved The Heavenly Horse From the Outermost West, too.

I can't critique your 13 lines because I read Heavenly Horse a couple of times over the years, and I can't resist comparing and looking for similarities and differences. But if I picked up your book, having never read Heavenly Horse, I'd keep reading, with pleasure. So the question is this: how many people have read Heavenly Horse and remember it so well they can't help comparing? The answer has to be not very many.

Another possibility, if you want people to differentiate immediately between your book and Heavenly Horse, is to research a mythology and incorporate a culture based on that mythology. Something very specific, even if most people won't know where it's from, and something very different from Heavenly Horse.


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Thanks, Louise! Good advice. I am surprised by how many people have not read Heavenly Horse, especially horse lovers! I guess it wasn't marketed all that well. Good advice on the mythologies. I did pick up a few books on world mythology and I'll go through them on my upcoming plane ride from hell. It will give me something to do besides panic over the fact that I'm on a plane. I think if I can hook in HH readers in the first chapter and show them early on that this is a totally different story, then they should keep reading *without* constantly comparing. I'm still stuck on having my "bad guy" be female and black - that's my only similarity to HH. I guess a black-colored bad horse is cliche anyway, so I should change that. Bummer.

Well, thanks for the great advice!


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Thank you, lpana! (Ipana?) I'm spending about all my time preparing for a trade show in Kentucky for my art business, so I haven't had the time to devote to writing lately, but I suspect in August I'll have a few chapters ready for critiquing. I'll let you know!
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Glad if I helped. I think similarities in speech and belief/culture are more important to watch out for than coat color, unless you have a bunch of appaloosas losing their spots. Happy takeoff, happy landing, and happy everything in between.

I don't like to fly either, but I appreciate the speed, especially after all the driving I did this spring. Thousands of miles go by much faster on a plane.


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