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mommiller
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Prolly gonna be around 2.5k Fantasy part of Chapter One

The moon was little more than a silvered crescent. Miro cupped his hands around the common copper penny nestled there and called down the weak light into his palms. The coin grew warm, a comfort against this cold spring night, but at least the rain had stopped.

Within a heartbeat, the magic was done, and Miro slipped the coin back into his trouser pocket.

“Where do you want us boss?” One of the Constable’s men stepped from the shadows. They’d kept their distance while Miro worked the small magic needed to silver the coin. He didn’t waste his time guessing whether it was out of respect or fear.

“You and Patrick take the front. I want you to nab anyone


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Let me give this a try...

I think that Miro is calling magic down from the moon, and if I'm right, then you need to make that more obvious somehow. One idea: "The moon was little more than a silver crescent, but Miro cupped his hands around the common copper penny and called the weak light into his palms." I don't know if that does the job either, but the two thoughts need to be connected somehow. Also, "but at least the rain had stopped" confused me. I thought the magic had made the rain stop at first. I'd shuffle the sentences around so that it's more obvious what he's accomplishing with the magic.

With that out of the way though, I like the characterization and the idea of calling magic from the moon. It's good writing and a strong start.



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I agree with unwritten, it's a little unclear as to exactly what is happening at first. I suspect that he is calling down magic from the "silvered crescent" to turn the copper coin silver but it's not very clear.
Also is Miro the Constable? Not stating that he is almost makes me think the Constable is someone else and the men belong to him. Maybe try referring to him as Constable Miro once before mentioning his men. Personally I'd cut the first line and just start with the action. That gives the reader movement to picture and be curious about. When he calls down the "weak light" is it the weak light of the moon or some other source?
I'd say watch the being verbs and trying to make each sentence pack as much of a punch as possible. Otherwise it's a good beginning and I'm curious about the mix of magic and yet constables. Nice start.

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I like the use of magic; I want to like this character, but I’m confused. Miro sounds like a small, weak, young person; words like cupped, nestled, comfort, and small magic make him sound gentle and nice. This does not match the respect or fear that others have for him, his not caring which it is, and his ease in ordering bully-boys around. It took a minute to get that they were calling Miro the boss. Who is this guy? What is his self-concept? It sounds like he is about to commit a crime, because of the use of deception.

Oh, I just saw from the other posts that Miro is the Constable; the good guy! I assumed Miro was using off-duty men who liked to pick up a little income on the sly. Well, the disconnect still exists for me even if you call him Constable Miro.

“trouser pocket” sounded slightly out of place, made me think of our world. Maybe one or two more details like that would help to get me out of a standard-Medieval expectation (driven by the moon imagery).

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Maybe it should be his purse?
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Hmm..

You've given me plenty to think about.

No. This is not a medieval fantasy. More like a Western one. It is a shift in POV in Chapter one, so in the preceding pages, the world has already been set, which of course, (my mistake, and I apologize,) isn't present here. Sorry about that.

No. He is not the constable. Miro is a mage, a rarity, on this colony world. The constable's men are uncomfortable working with him as he and his kind are considered a sort of a "wild card," in their society.

I should have added all this with my initial post, I realize. Hope this helps.

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The moon was little more than a silvered crescent. Miro cupped his hands around the common copper penny nestled there[sounded like nestled in the moon, and without any context I got really confused about setting] and called down the weak light into his palms. The coin grew warm, a comfort[a small comfort?] against this cold spring night, but at least the rain had stopped.[not sure why I should care about the rain - does it interfere with his magic?]

Within a heartbeat, the magic was done[if it's nothing mysterious, this is the point where I want to know what the magic did. If it silvered the coin, as you say later, I want to see it happen.], and Miro slipped the coin back into his trouser pocket.

“Where do you want us[,] boss?” One of the Constable’s men stepped from the shadows. They’d kept their distance while Miro worked the small magic needed to silver the coin. He didn’t waste his time guessing whether it was out of respect or fear.[very good points by MrsBrown about all the "weak" and "nestled" words making Miro seem like a child. I haven't seen a hint of anything that would inspire respect or fear. I was confused because Miro didn't sound like the Constable to me, but I didn't know why he'd be ordering around the Constable's men. Different details in the description (are his hands rough and calloused? is he an outdoors type who wouldn't care so much about comfort in the rain?) would help show a more adult character.]

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My take:

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The moon was little more than a silvered crescent.<--[IMHO - this sentence is not important, and distract from PoV. I suggest incorporating the information.] Miro cupped his hands around [the common<--[Is there an uncommon one? If not, I suggest trading this for: a] copper penny nestled there and called down the weak [moon]light [into his palms<--Redundant.]. The coin grew warm, a comfort against this cold spring night, but at least the rain had stopped. [He just called the moonlight down for a little warmth? The "cold spring night" and the sogginess can be explored later. Why is he calling the moonlight down? What is he doing? And, if others are present, how are they reacting?]

Within a heartbeat, the magic was done, and Miro slipped the coin back into his trouser pocket.[What magic was done? Just heating his hands up?]

“Where do you want us [boss<--This and...]?” One of the Constable’s men<--[...this, together, add up to Miro being the Constable/boss.] stepped from the shadows. They’d kept their distance while Miro worked the small magic needed to silver the coin.[When did it become silver? Why did he need it to be?] He didn’t waste his time guessing whether it was out of respect or fear.<--[Some reactions--nervous whispering, sharp intakes of breath, feet shuffling further away--would lend credence to this observation.]

“You and Patrick take the front. I want you to nab anyone


Nothing I read indicated that Miro was young. On that, it seems ambiguous.

Constable doesn't sound "Western", it was used more frequently in an Eastern city/town capacity. I'm assuming you're referring to the 1860s (The Civil War) to the 1890s (Custard's Last Stand) West. If so, Sheriff could be town or county (and sometimes each had a separate one) and Marshall (also could be local, federal, city, county or state). Slouch hats, bowler/derby hats, bonnets, madison ankle boots or brogans, california pants and a frock coat would all be indicators of era and fashion. Not to mention boardwalks and hitching posts.

Also, you might mention that the sheriffs/deputies/marshalls/or if-you-have-your-heart-set-on-it constables are there to assist him--but at what is still the hidden question.

I hope this helps.

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MrsBrown
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Mommiller,
I hope you will post a re-write, because I am interested in seeing what you make of all this I like the good stuff that's in there!

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I second MrsBrown.

I liked it, but withheld comments as it looks rather full, and I have nothing new to say.


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mommiller
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Thanks Mrs. Brown and Tiergan,

I am really liking how this novel is coming together as well, I've just been busy. What I want to do is finish the re-write of this chapter, of which, Miro's introduction is a part.

Would either of you be interested in looking at the chapter when it is completed? I expect it to be less than 3.5k when finished.

Thanks again for your votes of confidence.


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Be glad to. Just send it my way when you're ready.
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I'd take a look at it too if you like.
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Hi Mommiller,
Here's my read on your opening.

The moon was little more than a silvered crescent. this reads as a static observation , but you don't have a p.o.v. identified yet.(That's not always a bad thing, but I prefer active sentence construction) Also, was little more than a seems a bit wordy/colorful, and not western in tone to me. I think this info. can be condensed and added later (during the spell) Miro cupped his hands around the O.k. , I'm visualizing the start of an action. (I don't yet have a visual of his hands--so, by default I picture them by his side) common copper penny nestled there (Here I stopped-- confused) He's not grasping at something. He already has it in his hands ? His closed hands ? nestled seems like an unusual word choice. How does a coin nestle (settle?) into flat, uncupped palms ? Also, I agree with I.B., Common is not needed. and called down the weak light (from the silver crescent moon) into his palms. The coin grew warm, a comfort against this cold spring night, Here I'm not sure if the coin warming, and I presume his hands warming, is a side effect--or the desired effect. but at least the rain had stopped. Another unclear observation. Does the concern about the rain stopping connect to his desire to be warm, magical interference, or both ? Also, you started with a static description of the moon, but no rain clouds were shown/described.

Within a heartbeat, the magic was done, What magic ? For me, the magic is the hook. I want to see more and know more about this moon magic. and Miro slipped the coin back into his trouser (pants?) pocket.

“Where do you want us boss?” One of the Constable’s men stepped from the shadows. Why are there shadows worth mentioning in the weak light of a crescent moon ? The boss constable's men connection, stopped me dead...again. (Switching the sentences helps a little with who is saying what, but not who's who). I guess It's possible boss is not meant to be taken literally... but as a jab at Miro. However, if that were the case, I'd expect more emphasis on the term boss. They’d kept their distance while Miro worked the small magic needed to silver the coin. Silvering the coin-- Is that supposed to be a transmutation magic? I don't consider transmutation a small magic. You've emphasized how miniscule the moonlight energy is. (I pictured the moon magic to be a glamour he's casting--an illusion).(It seems an appropriate use for a light magic).(with the possibility of it wearing off at an inappropriate time) He didn’t waste his time Is time critical ? He doesn't seem in a rush. guessing whether it was out of respect or fear. I too think you should show their reactions, and not just speculate about them. Also, if he's hypothesizing about their behavior-- then he is taking/wasting some of his time.

“You and Patrick take the front. He's apparently on a first name basis with some of these men, that doesn't jive with the less familiar reference in the constable's men line. I want you to nab anyone How does a silver coin connect to a nab and grab scenario ? (This might be a hook for me if it were explained soon enough.) If the coin is intended for a con , as someone else suggested, won't it be recognized as a fake-- if it isn't a different size/imprint. Different denominations tend to be different-- in order to be easily distinguishable.

O.k., that's all I have time for now. Please send me more, if you will, Mommiller... I'd like to see where you went with this.

Steve

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I love it when Western is pulled into future or off-world. Like Firefly.

If you would like more input, I would love to read more. Send it my way when you have it ready.

Intriguing...

Gina

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Wow.

I'm a bit flabbergasted that so many folks want to read more of this.

Thanks everyone for your votes of confidence and wanting to read more. It gives me hope for the chances of selling this novel when the time comes.

Tiergan, Pyraxis, Simon, and Stammsp--I was hoping to have this chapter finished by now, but events this week has conspired against me. I'll do my best to get it to you soon. Understanding that this is the second part of the first chapter, and that I'll e-mail the entire first chapter when it is ready, okay?

I promise to work on it tonight.


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I love the idea of western colony (I love historical fiction) and magic together. That could be really interesting. You seem like you are reaching...trying too hard...just tell the story. I think it's a good one.

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I also was under the impression from the first few sentences that Miro was a poor young street urchin, perhaps using magic to warm up the copper coin as a small comfort (read - the only comfort he can afford) against the cold night. The rain, or recent stoppage thereof, also seemed to come out of nowhere to me.

I'm curious to see where this is going. I'd be happy to take a look at a chapter.


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I enjoyed it and I agree with everyone on the confusion of the first bit. I'd be happy to read the full chapter, it sounds like a cool idea.

Also of note, I know that Miro is a Spanish name by origin (as well as an internet video broadcasting program), I was just wondering if the character is maybe Mexican, which might actually play well with a western theme.


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Ohh, more Prairie Silver!! Sign me up!

my take:

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The moon was little more than a silvered crescent. Miro cupped his hands around the common "common's" not necessary copper penny nestled there and called down the weak light it might be better to combine the two first lines - wane moonlight into his palms. The coin grew warm, a comfort against this cold spring night, but at least the rain had stopped Hu? Why reference the rain at all? .

Within a heartbeat, the magic was done, and Miro slipped the show me the magic! - silver coin back into his trouser pocket.

“Where do you want us boss?” One of the Constable’s Is this someone other than Miro? If it's him, wouldn't he think - his men? men stepped from the shadows.

They’d kept their distance while Miro worked the small magic needed to silver the coin. He didn’t waste his time guessing whether it was out of respect or fear.

“You and Patrick take the front. I want you to nab anyone


Nice start. It needs some trimming and clarification and then I think you're on to something.


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Thanks folks, but I am way behind on this, now that the offspring are home from school...

Miro is not a spanish name, sorry...Last name is Dibrokov.

As I mentioned before this intro is the start to a subsequent section, and the rain is just a tie in to what was written previously.

I'll post a rewritten beginning soon, I promise, and send on the whole of the first Chapter, which starts from Jane's perspective to those who wanted it.

Thanks again. Just things are really hectic.



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New 13 lines, the rest of it isn't nearly as far as I'd like it to be. King's Falcon, drop me an e-mail. I'd love to hear what you've been up to. I lost my paragraph formatting again, but there should be two showing...


Miro waited for the moon. He could feel its presence in the sky just as easily as he felt the cold night air settle into his aging bones. A brisk wind from the sea was coming up from the south; shredding the low hanging clouds and driving them back into the hills. More fog tomorrow, he thought, sinking his chin deeper into the scarf his wife Esme had so carefully wrapped about his neck. He breathed deep the slight lavender scent left behind by her gentle hands.
Somewhere in the distance, a clock tower tolled the hour. Miro again looked up to the roiling sky. The time he’s assured the tavern master wasn’t completely into stone, but neither he, nor the bar man had fully considered the weather’s fickleness. This simple oversight would be just the excuse the Chief Constable


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