Not till next year.... between OSC, Robert Jordan, and J.K. Rowling I've got so many on hold stories in my head that they're starting to run together......
Harry Potter who lived for 3,000 years came with the One Power to face the Dark One today on his Crystal planet.
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"The final chapter is hidden away although it's now changed very slightly. One character got a reprieve. But I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die"
Yeah, no info there...........
boring........
Death, who cares.....
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As long as we don't know who specifically is going to live or die, it isn't anything new. She's been gradually killing off more and more characters, and they are gradually being more main characters than side characters that she is killing off. It isn't really any secret that she's going to be killing a bunch of people in this book.
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Eh, most know he's going to die. I hope Volde- oops!
I hope he-who-must-not-be-named wins. Now THAT would be surprising and satisifying. Too many 'happy' endings from stories like such.
But, since it's a kids book, she'll make it so that Voldemort dies, and Harry must have someone kill his own self because he's a Horcrux. And two make up for Voldy's death, she'll also kill off two other characters:
Ron or Hermione and Hagrid
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Bear in mind that she's said repeatedly that she didn't write it for kids, she wrote it for herself.
However, she's also made it clear that this book will be the final book in the series, so Voldemort has to die, otherwise it simply wouldn't be over. Who dies with him is a whole 'nuther story.
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quote:However, she's also made it clear that this book will be the final book in the series, so Voldemort has to die, otherwise it simply wouldn't be over. Who dies with him is a whole 'nuther story.
Voldemort could also win. That could end the series quite handily.
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I think that Voldemort dying is a given. So much so, that I'd like to think that he doesn't even count as one of the two. After all, she said that two characters die who she didn't initially plan to (or something like that) and I can't imagine what ending she may have planned where Voldemort lives. My money's on Snape as one. I've been pretty certain that he would die for some time now. I haven't decided who the second one is. I sure hope the book does come out next year. I know that some people suspect that the 7th book will come out on 07/07/07, which of course seems appropriate.
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I do not think she (Rowling) is brave enough to have Voldemort win. I do not even think she could have him perhaps even ESCAPE to fight another day while Harry dies. Maybe she will make Voldemort change into a good man upon killing Harry (I do not think I would much like that). I would be suprised if she actually has the gall to kill Harry because I do not think she does.
I can see Snape ultimately giving up his life to save Harry. Perhaps even having Harry kill Snape and at that moment finding out that Snape really was not evil and was acting for a higher cause. It would be interesting to see Harry have the death of an innocent man on his hands. Not the Lame "He died trying to save me" aka Sirius and Harry's Parents. But Harry literally making a wrong decision and killing somebody himself."
I predicted Draco's switch to being good several books ago and I really would not mind Draco and Harry being friends. And seeing what they accomplish together. No mention is ever made of Draco's abilities as a wizard save Book 2 where Draco and Harry duel and Draco' is able to conjure a snake.
In anycase Rowling probably thinks its fun talking about "oh man TEN people are going to die in book SEVEN!" But after finishing book 6 I realized that pretty much everyone is fair game for the grim reaper in book 7.
I would like to know if anybody thinks they are seriously going to open hogwarts in book 7, and if so will they do it without using the lame logic that "We can open it and use Harry as bait to kill Voldemort."
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Personally, I don't want to know the body count before I read the book. I spent book 5 so worried that one of the kids would die that I was happy when I found out who it was.
And I LIKED that character, it's just I liked other characters more. If I hadn't known someone was going to die, maybe that person's death would have had an impact other than relief.
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I absolutely trust J.K. Rowling to tell a magnificent story. If people die, it's because they needed to die, because that's the story she's telling. These kids are adventurers, and they are at war. They are all at risk.
Having said that, I'll think very dark thoughts if Molly Weasley dies.
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Through book five I also sat worrying while reading, guessing who it would be (I was pretty sure it would be Arthur Weasley for quite a while). I finished the book at 4 am Tuesday morning, and lost it, I waited awake until my mom woke up so I could tell her how much of a mess I was (without any spoilers, she was going out of town for a week and I had to have the book done before she left).
With the sixth book I knew who it would be, it was more or less obvious the whole time. But I finished that book after a full night's sleep (or may I say day's?).
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I actually read book 5 completely oblivious to the fact that somebody was going to die. I was in Taiwan at the time and did not really get any news on the Harry Potter hype. A friend got it for me and I read it inside 24 hours as has always been the case since book 4 Posts: 14316 | Registered: Jul 2005
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Warning: This post Contains spoilers as to the deaths of books 4, 5, and 6. If you don't want the series and major revelations of it to be ruined for you, don't read this post.
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For book 4, I knew Cedric must die, under the logic that Harry will get togetherwith Cho, and that would an excellent reason for him to die. Surprising? No.
For book 5, I had no idea. I thought it would be Mrs. Weasely for sure. So when Sirius died, my reaction was: "HOLY CRAP! SHE KILLED OFF SIRIUS!" Unfortunately to my knowledge, my sister hadn't gotten to that part yet. So, I had to let her ruin book 6 for me. She wasn't next to me, but I yelled it pretty loud, and she heard.
For book 6, all she did was tell me that Snape became potions master. I KNEW Dumbledore would kick the bucket. I told my sister before the book, and to quote her; "You stupid bastard." That was her reaction when I was right. Didn't surprise me a bit when he died. She cried when he died, and she's 16. And he must be dead, unless he can trick the laws of science, because he got a portrait in the headmaster's office. However, this does mean Harry can talk to him.
For book 7, I REALLY want Voldemort to win, and take over. Anything else would be disatisfactory. Snape has to be good; you can't fool Dumbledore; he's the man.
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quote:And he must be dead, unless he can trick the laws of science, because he got a portrait in the headmaster's office. However, this does mean Harry can talk to him.
anyone else bust out laughing at that one? Posts: 1901 | Registered: May 2004
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Voldey will kill Harry. While he is sitting there laughing about it, Neville will come and kill him. It turns out Neville was the one in the profecy after all.
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And I've been convinced that she will kill Harry off, or at least make him somehow drop off the face of the planet, because
[SERIES SPOILERS, DEATHS, BLAH BLAH BLAH]
. . . . . . . . JK Rowling is working real hard at getting rid of everyone who is close to Harry. No parents. No Godfather. No old, wise mentor. He got over Cho. He and Ginny decided that saving the world was more important than them being together. Hagrid is a friend, but not a very helpful one, really, and he's in danger in the next book for sure. Hermione and Ron have each other to cling to when Harry dies. I don't really see why he would live, given all of that.
Though, I don't want to see that happen. I want Sirius to be found stuck in some between-dimension, I want Dumbledore to have some trick up his sleeve or at least Snape is good and all of that was to fool Voldy. But I'm anticipating a dark, depressing, war-filled novel of death and sad.
. . . . . I'll miss that school!
Edit: I totally could see Elmer's scenario happening
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If J.K. Rowling really wants to end the series in such a way that no one else can produce a non-author continuation, then she has to kill off both Voldemort and Harry Potter. If either one of these lives, then the story can and even must go on. Every book title begins with "Harry Potter and...."
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quote:Originally posted by Jay: "The final chapter is hidden away although it's now changed very slightly. One character got a reprieve. But I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die"
Oh, the article I read didn't give the exact quote, just said that two characters would die.
This means I can hold out my tiny tiny hope that Voldemort can win. So happy.
Edit: I think Harry and Snape will die for certain. What's up in the air for me is if anyone else dies, and if so, who?
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quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: If J.K. Rowling really wants to end the series in such a way that no one else can produce a non-author continuation, then she has to kill off both Voldemort and Harry Potter. If either one of these lives, then the story can and even must go on. Every book title begins with "Harry Potter and...."
Because there haven't been ANY non author Harry Potter stories.
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She owns all the rights to derivative works such as that would be, and has the ability to ensure her wishes are honored after her death. Even if she leaves everybody alive she can prevent there from being another Harry Potter story published (without being sued into oblivion) for approaching another hundred years (and possibly much longer, if things keep going as they have been).
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As I see it, the deaths of Sirius and Dumbledore were to strip Harry of his crutches in the final fight with Voldemort. The one thing the Movies fail to show is Harry's growing skill as a wizard. Or Ron and Hermione for that matter, but the books put Hermione's talent a NEWT level by book five, Harry was "Doing things I can't even do" (Victor Krum) in his fourth year. Much is made over failures and comic accidents along the way but If Harry can buckle down and master the things Snape hinted at, Oculmency, Silent Casting, and control his emotions and make a plan, he can beat Voldemort.
He knows that Voldemort knows he is one Hourcrux down, so he knows that Voldemort will want the Sword of Griffindor. With that in mind he can set a trap.
The rest of the book should be training and looses ends, vengeance for Sirius, determining the disposition of Snape and Malfoy, then final confrontation.
I would like to see Nevil find a cure for his parents, it would be nice if they could take out Bellatrix, I also would like to see more of the twins... There is so much I will miss when it is done.
Harry cannot live until Voldemort dies, that is a given, it would be nice if he survived though. Here is a thought, what if Harry is naturally a squib? What if Destroying both Voldemort and his scar removes all his magical power? Good as dead from the POV of the magic universe...
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As I see it, the deaths of Sirius and Dumbledore were to strip Harry of his crutches in the final fight with Voldemort. The one thing the Movies fail to show is Harry's growing skill as a wizard. Or Ron and Hermione for that matter, but the books put Hermione's talent a NEWT level by book five, Harry was "Doing things I can't even do" (Victor Krum) in his fourth year. Much is made over failures and comic accidents along the way but If Harry can buckle down and master the things Snape hinted at, Oculmency, Silent Casting, and control his emotions and make a plan, he can beat Voldemort.
An excellent point about the movies, and one I hadn't thought of.
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If anything the books have shown that any time Harry takes something seriously he excels at it. His attempts to learn Occulmency were pretty pathetic as he was always so distracted, but when he setup his own club to learn defence agains the dark arts they made some significant progress.
I really think we will see Malfoy as a powerful ally in book 7. I really do not think he COULDNT kill Dumbledore (albeit in Dumbledores weakened state) he simply DIDNT when he was reasoned with. He probably is going to hate Voldemort for how his father has fallen out of favor with him.
But nobody answered the question. "Hogwarts in book 7, open or closed?" Why?
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I'll guess Hogwarts will be closed. Who could go to school and concentrate on books with Armageddon, or Ragnarok, or whatever--the ultimate showdown with Voldemort--taking place?
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I think Ginny will find a way to follow Harry, and I'm afraid she'll die trying to protect him or something along those lines.
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quote:Originally posted by katharina: Oh, sweetie, Dumbledore is dead. I'm so sorry.
I don't think he is. I had a hunch that he wasn't, but then Card's extremely insightful review here made me sure of it.
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Hogwarts might be open not as school but as a fortress, after all it is a castle, it might be the center of government. Parents may come to the school and live in dormotory in the room of requirements.
Just a notion. I think Harry might set his trap for Voldemort at his parents house in Godric's Hollow. I wonder who else we know lives there?
quote:Originally posted by fugu13: She owns all the rights to derivative works such as that would be, and has the ability to ensure her wishes are honored after her death. Even if she leaves everybody alive she can prevent there from being another Harry Potter story published (without being sued into oblivion) for approaching another hundred years (and possibly much longer, if things keep going as they have been).
Copyrights aren't permanent. Eventually they will run out and then anyone can write anything about Harry Potter they want. Killing him off might prevent any sequels but people could still write prequels, say about Harry's parents, or his childhood before Hogwarts.
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But reading his childhood before Hogwarts would be absolutely boring. And I think Fugu meant that the copywrites would last approximately 100 years, I don't know how they work ,but he does.
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One thing that is worrysome about those who, like me, think that Snape and Dumbledore set up the whole thing at the end ahead of time, is that the Avada Kadavra curse has to have serious hatred and power behind it to work.
So, how would Dumbledore trust in Snape if he knew the man hated him enough to curse him to death? It is a puzzle that makes one think Dumbledore might have not expected to die under that particular curse, or that the whole possibility of a good Snape is a red Herring.
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Hence why it was a whole setup! In order to make Harry so mad that he can use the curse himeself! (like he needs the help...)
Haha, just pulling stuff out of my butt now, but I really do think there was a lot more behind that than we think, for example it was ONE BIG SETUP.
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It is possible to hate someone a whole, whole lot-- and still trust them and remain loyal to them and/or their cause. I wouldn't say a leader could count on it, but I believe it is possible, and a leader as charismatic as Dumbledore might just inspire that unique combination of hate and trust/loyalty.
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quote:Originally posted by katharina: Oh, sweetie, Dumbledore is dead. I'm so sorry.
I don't think he is. I had a hunch that he wasn't, but then Card's extremely insightful review here made me sure of it.
I could go either way on the Dumbledore is dead debate. There are enough valid arguments for each side that Rowling could do either possibility without it seeming forced. However the one thing that I have never for a second doubted is that SNAPE IS NOT EVIL, and whether Dumbledore is actually dead or not, it's something that he and Snape had planned to carry out for the greater good.
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I also think Dumbledore is dead, much for the same reasons Bean does : JKR wanted Harry to count on himself and on friends but not on "superior", parent-like figures like Sirius or Dumbledore. Mrs Weasley gives him much love but I don't think she would be of a big help in a fight, Sirius or Dumbledore would have been.
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Do you have to hate the target of the spell, or do you just have to have a lot of hate in you and be able to turn that hate toward the target? Also, it's just possible that Dumbledore's insistence that Snape keep to the plan and kill him made Snape hate him.
Also, it was totally a set-up. If Snape is evil in the end, then Rowling shoots her own point in the foot - being ugly and having greasy hair really DOES make you evil. I refuse to believe she's going to contradict the point she's made over and over in each book.
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