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Locke2525
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You have the shadow series
now its time for its parrallel series
the MIND SERIES

it focuses on achilles...imagine how deep....disturbing it could be....We see how he udnerminds governments...why he wants to
how he was on the streets before bean

you call it the mind series because well....You are going In the Mind..of a madman...

thoughts?

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Aeroth
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This has been suggested before.

I, for one, think that the Achilles character was explored and detailed well enough in the Shadow books, and his short bit of perspective in Ender's Shadow was enough of his mind for me.

The reason Card chose to write a parallel series about Bean was because the character had a pretty vague background in Ender's Game, and there was infinite room for expansion.

Achilles, however, had most of his life chronicled through the Shadow books, and there aren't enough voids in Achilles's history that would call for a single book about him, let alone a whole series.

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I also seem to remember a quote from Card where he said something to the effect of

"Good is interesting to write, I like to explore people's motives for doing good. I don't find motivations for evil to be interesting."

Keep in mind that's a very loose idea of what I remember from that interview.

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Agnes Bean
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quote:
Achilles, however, had most of his life chronicled through the Shadow books, and there aren't enough voids in Achilles's history that would call for a single book about him, let alone a whole series.
Agreed. Plus, I personally have gotten enough of a look into Achilles mind. What we've been given was fascinating, but I think a whole book/series would get boring and perhaps a little too disturbing.
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Besides, as much as I love the Ender books, Card has to draw the line somewhere. We've been promised 2 more novels (and the Christmas book [Angst] ), that's probably enough. I would hate for the Enderverse to choke itself to death with too many stories about everyone and their mother's past. Some things need to be left mysterious.
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Verai
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Neo-Dragon articulated my thoughts.
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We already know how he dies. I don't think a series where we know the end can be as interesting then ... some other endeavor.
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My worst fear for such a series would be that Achilles turns out to be smarter than Bean (as Bean became smarter than Ender when he became the focus). That would just ruin the entire Shadow series for me.
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That would be totally ridiculous! Bean was genetically modified to have intelligence which surpasses human limits. Give OSC a bit more credit than that. In fact, give him enough credit to assume that he will never write a whole series about Achilles.
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Personally, I have no desire to read novels where the main character is completely unlikeable. And I don't think OSC wants to write that kind of story...which means to do this sort of series, he'd have to make Achilles understood well enough that I (the reader) would have to love him. And that would suck. He redeemed Peter -- but he'd established Peter as a redeemable character in EG by saying he'd become Hegemon. Achilles was killed to save the world from his evil. I don't know how you redeem a character like that and I know I don't want to explore it in an entire series. Ew.
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That's a very good point, Jeniwren.
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quote:
Personally, I have no desire to read novels where the main character is completely unlikeable.
Some would say Bean is already a completely unlikeable character (of course I disagree).
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Notcompletely.
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What a strange observation. I'd never have said Bean was unlikeable in any of the books. And I don't think you can get through all the books, like the series, but not at least like Bean. Bean might have said he was unlikeable, but no one else would have, except of course Achilles.
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And Tom. [Wink]
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Locke2525
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heres the beauty-
OSC could try and portray him as a likeable character

take some work yes
but we saw his bad deeds
what if we saw why he did it..his aspiratation..his yern for friends...ect...

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I thought that Bean was just about the least interesting character of the post-Ender's Shadow Shadow books.

[ March 21, 2005, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: AntiCool ]

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