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Dan_raven
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FT as in Fraternal Twins-- very closely related by not identical.

These are words that have similar, but different meanings. The problem is that many people get them confused.

This came up in the Immunization/Autism thread when it was pointed out that many people confuse Causation with Correlation.

Correlation--two things happen at the same or similar times.

Causation--one thing causes another.

Classic confusion. A survey was done determinng the correlation between Nuns who had syphilus and Sailors who had it. There was a definate correlation between the sailors having it and the nuns not. The result, it was assumed that sea travel causes syphilus.

Love/Lust is another pair of FT words. Hopefully we out grow that confusion by 20, or else we are in for a lifetime of hurt.

Explanation/Excuse is an important one to distinguish. We can explain why the 9/11 terrorists did what they did. We can not excuse it.

What other FT Words should we bring out into the light.

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pooka
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Imminent: About to happen, implies ominous

Eminent: Outstanding

Emanent: Radiating from the nature of

Now I can't tell if I've spelled them right.

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punwit
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apprise/appraise Many people use the word appraised when they actually want to use apprised. Apprised means keeping informed, up to date. Appraised is a valuation. You have your property appraised.

[ July 12, 2004, 05:54 PM: Message edited by: punwit ]

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mackillian
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effect: something that results from a caust
affect: description that somthing influences something else

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Papa Moose
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Ascribe/Subscribe
Preview/Purview
Imply/Infer
Insure/Ensure

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punwit
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perscription/subscription
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Snarky
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I recently edited an article in which the author repeatedly used "adduced" to mean "deduced." I read it very carefully over and over again, and I looked them up and read the definitions very carefully, so I feel confident in my change. I just can't figure out why he would choose that word. I really hope it wasn't just because he thought it sounded fancier.
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deprecate/depreciate

they can have similar, but not identical meanings. Besides which they differ in only 1 letter.

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bemused and amused

I have a friend who thinks the former is a synonym for the latter. I tell her it's not, and she doesn't believe me. I look it up in the dictionary and show her, she says "huh" and then forgets in about a week.

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Isn't it artists that wish to be mused?
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penultimate/ultimate. The first means next to last. The second means last.
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Snarky
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Wait wait wait—so does "first" mean "next" or "last"? It can't be both.
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Dagonee
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[Razz]

Just in case you weren't kidding (I'm tired):

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

In this list, 7 is the penultimateentry. 8 is ultimate entry.

Dagonee

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pooka
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That was one of the little touches I really liked about "Big Trouble", the construction company named "Penultra".

My high school boyfriend who was apparently a really good writer in most respects, wrote me a note once in which he had something to say of "penultimate" importance.

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Teshi
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Well, I always thought that penultimate was the same as ultimate (only MORE ultimate), until there was a thread on the word some time ago. Now I can impress people with my understanding of the word "penultimate" [Smile] .

What about words like Pacific and specific? Are those "fraternal twin" words?

EDIT: What about empress/impress?

[ July 12, 2004, 08:36 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]

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Snarky
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Sheesh, Dags. You really were tired, eh? [Wink]
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famous/infamous -- "He's so famous, he's infamous!"
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rivka
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flammable/inflammable

Oh, wait . . .

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HollowEarth
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flammable/inflammable

edit: ah its here now. and Rivka is right anyway....

[ July 14, 2004, 12:13 AM: Message edited by: HollowEarth ]

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Dan_raven
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Most of these are good FT Words.

It just wasn't going the way I thought it would. We are doing FT as in Sounds alike so must be alike. I was going more along the lines of totally different words that people confuse.

Example Culture and Religion.

There are people who are of the Jewish Culture, who are not neccesarily of the Jewish Religion. They may be agnostic or aethiestic or even Christian.

There is a wide confusion in the west between those of Islamic Religion, and the various cultures that exist around the world where the majority of people are Islamic. Where Islam doesn't promote violence, there are cultures in the mid-east that do. Attacking Islam is not the same as attacking those cultures.

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PSI Teleport
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quote:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

In this list, 7 is the penultimateentry. 8 is ultimate entry.

So is 6 the antepenultimate entry?
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To quote the late, great Lewis Grizzard (author of Elvis Is Dead and I Don't Feel So Good Myself; Shot Low, Boys! They're Riding Shetland Ponies; and Cathy Sue Loudermilk, I Love You!)

Naked/nekkid

Naked means you don't have clothes on.
Nekkid means you don't have clothes on and you're up to something!

[Eek!]

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TMedina
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I'll point out Dan that Culture can pervert Religion to its own purpose.

And while Islam, depending on your interpretation may or may not preach violence, there are cultures and arguably sub-cultures that adhere to one interpretation over the other.

And to be fair, Christians and "the Bible" are no less guilty of such behavior in the past. For that matter, there are Christians who use selected passages from the Bible to justify their attitudes in a number of situations.

Why should we expect Islamic clerics to be any less self-serving in this respect? Although I assume the Christian and Muslim to distort the religion for their own purpose, it can be said the aforementioned religious figures are simply following what they believe to be the true meaning of the holy texts.

-Trevor

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Dan_raven
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Oh, I agree.

Culture can and does pervert Religion.

The culture of Iraq, Iran, Sudan, and New York City creates differences in the Islam that is followed in each of those places.

Just as the culture of Paris, Yorkshire, Plano Texas, Jerusalem, and New York City create variations on the Christianity followed there.

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How about censorship and criticism.

Too many times I see criticism of what people say, or how they say it, or when, dismissed as attempts at censorship.

It's usually couched in other terms (silencing the opposition, etc.) or sometimes only implied, as when someone claims to be "courageous" for saying something that a lot of people disagree with. In the U.S., that's usually exagerated, especially when the only response is going to be criticism - even vitriolic, mean-spirited, name-calling criticism.

Dagonee

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Dan_raven
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Nice. I noticed it in the rant against OSC's articles. The not so thin line between his Criticism and Hate Speach--(As in the label Hate Speech is an attempt to censor it).
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A good distinction to make Dag, thanks.

-Trevor

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