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Yeah, they're great aren't they. I really hope peple don't get mad about this thread but it just sounded like a really good idea.
Actually I have link that I need to go back and find it is some of Kevin Smith's thoughts ont he new upcoming Transformers movie but that would probably not go over real well considering Smith's mouth and attitude towards life. But he really was talking about Transformers and hwo the movie is and what not.
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Yes, boys think rape is so very funny. They throw the word around all the time. Any offence taken at that is nothing but political correctness.
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quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Yes, boys think rape is so very funny. They throw the word around all the time. Any offence taken at that is nothing but political correctness.
I take offense to that. I'm a boy stuck in a man's body and I find nothing funny at all about the word rape unless it is used in a context that makes it funny. This is however not a reflection of my views or ideas on the particular thread in question. I have no thoughts one way or another and can not comment on that. Whether I have any knowledge about such thread I can neither confirm nor deny. Posts: 871 | Registered: Jul 2006
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And I have been very excited about the movie, although the new sketches have made me somewhat more reserved. I'll probably still go, but to a matinee and not on opening weekend, unless I hear from people I trust that it ended up being great after all. Posts: 7954 | Registered: Mar 2004
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You can never tell with Bay. He has some movies that I really admire and then there are the ones that i don't -- yeha you now which ones they are.
The megatron sketches and mockups are a little troubling and what is this business of megatron not showing up time the end and being in ice, what's that crap all about. I can't believe I have to wait a year to see this thing. But I'm with you I am not going to opening weekend unless I hear good things and see better concept art or what not.
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You're way over the line with the blanket generalizations.
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That said, I share your contempt for the way the word is sometimes used 'casually'. It's not a word like 'kill' either...although perhaps at some time in the past, "I'll kill ya!" was as horrifying then as, "We raped `em in CTF," is to you and I.
In any case, I'm not really a fan of making horribly offensive words such as racial slurs and rape less offensive through a lengthy period of frequent, casual public use. Just because words can change their meaning that way has no bearing on whether or not they should.
'Rape' as a 'casual' word is a special case, too. It's not like 'kill' because when you actually do kill someone, everyone knows it's a very, very serious thing.
Rape is unfortunately not like that. Some people don't even acknowledge rape as rape unless the girl has to be physically beaten and bloodied into submission, or they mitigate its seriousness depending on how she was dressed, where she was, or how exactly the nonconenting sex took place. So it is already a murky issue to some people, and an issue which people in general are not (I believe) sufficiently aware.
And that's the (practical) reason why I'm against diluting the word's seriousness through 'casual' usage. The real reason I'm personally against it is because rape pisses me off a great deal, and so does being dismissive of it, or taking action which makes it more likely to be dismissed.
I don't particularly think B34N was trying to move away from that topic, because he made it very clear what exactly he was talking about, and that he disdained the 'PC' offense at the word 'rape' in the context, right in the very thread title.
And since I'm irritated this is apparently a joking matter, B34N...you did not have to do this. Clearly you do care if people post in this thread. Your thought that it would be very funny was incorrect. Making jokes about things being too 'PC' is neither new or entertaining unless done in an original and humorous way. This was neither.
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As for the film itself...well, even though I was a fan of Transformers back in the day, I was never a super-fan or anything. I actually kind of like the pictures...sort of. I'm not sure how I feel about them, it will depend on how they look against a background and in motion and such. I think making them look like they did in the old cartoons would be pretty silly, to be honest, beyond sticking to the basic concept. And who knows? Maybe they can alter the surface composition of their bodies (paint).
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I'm sorry to hit you with splash damage, Rakeesh. But it IS generally boys (and not so much men) who use "rape" casually and without thought.
I sorta think "Kill" is ok becuase murder isn't nearly as common (like, orders of magnatude less common) than Rape, so you're not as likely to accidently hurt someone who has had someone close to them murdered.
Also "Kill" is kinda universal. Anyone can be killed. *usually* it is only women who are raped. Rape is a mysogynistic act.
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Take it your not a South Park fan? By the way those guys are huge Battlestar Galactica Fans, It hought that was cool.
My worst nightmare - I'm stuck in PCU - next I'm gonna start throwing large pans of meat at people.
As for transformers it appears to me that the new movie is only generally based on the original cartoon series that has blossomed into the phenomenom that it has become. But like spiderman, xmen and superman there are always creative licenses taken witht he orginal story line and characters. But that megatron just looks odd, hopefully it will be good.
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*hands b34n her old voltron toy, the big one where you could really shoot off the arms, and tells him that she's not mad at him...*
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quote:Take it your not a South Park fan? By the way those guys are huge Battlestar Galactica Fans, It hought that was cool.
My worst nightmare - I'm stuck in PCU - next I'm gonna start throwing large pans of meat at people.
Actually I'm not really a South Park fan so much anymore. I just sort of fell out of it I think, because I started working evenings and nights which meant (until recently, DVR) that I missed it when the new ones came on. Now when I watch it, if find myself put off by the ceaseless stream of profanity and violence and whatnot...even though I'm well-aware it's not serious. I think it's more a matter of comedy taste, to me anyway. South Park seems to go for the outrageously obvious over-the-top crudity humor. To me, that wears thin after awhile, that's all.
PCU was a funny movie. But it was, you know, a movie. And a partially satirical one, at that. Not a very persuasive reference on your part at all.
This is not just a matter of a bunch of crazy Vegans getting outraged at anyone eating meat. The objections to it have been explained by myself and others in depth and repeatedly. It's beginning to sound to me like you simply don't have any rebuttal at all, and don't wish to admit it.
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To have a rebuttal you have to have a stance on the matter which I honestly don't. I have been posting remarks based on the way that the thread was going and trying to lighten the mood which is getting thick on both ends. I'm not a debater and I'm a joker, maybe not a good one, but that's what I've been doing. I am not really interested in holding a debate on the reference to the use and term rape but have engaged in a "as previously mentioned in the other thread" what can be considered a waste of time. The original thread was supposed to be about transformers. This one was supposed to be about transformers and the one that was started as nothing more than a thread about transformers has fallen because it is not controversial enough because of these two threads.
Now that I have made a soem what watered down rubuttal can we can about some freaking transformers. <--- See that was a joke, nothing more, humor doesn't convey very well for me over the net, sorry.
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*shrug* I'll take you at your word that you're just joking around and not trying to make a point.
However, I'll also point out that in my opinion, people are less likely to believe you that you're just joking, when all your jokes are also barbs directed at the opposing view. I realize that what we've got here is hardly a representive sample, but still, you've made at least half a dozen jokes about this all favorable towards the belief that casually using the word rape is acceptable, and disagreeing with that is silly.
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Dead issue! And now the thread that was actually doing what people asked has been deleted or I am so tired I can't find it right now. So much for talking about transformers.
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quote:The Pixiest - I'm a woman. I gather B34N's intent was to move away from that topic.
Yes, but also to blithely categorize the people who took a position opposite of his in the other thread.
It's fairly obvious. It's also fairly ridiculous to call what was expressed in the other thread "PC."
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quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Also "Kill" is kinda universal. Anyone can be killed. *usually* it is only women who are raped. Rape is a mysogynistic act.
This is what I was referring to Rakeesh. I wanted to point out to The Pixiest that men can and do fear rape.
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If you are walking alone after dark, and you notice a man who has been walking behind you for a couple of minutes, do you at least have the thought flit through your mind to be concerned about being raped?
Although Pixiest did somewhat contradict herself by stating that usually women fear it, and then that rape is an anti-woman act. Giving her a bit of benefit of the doubt, however, I believe that she did not mean to say that the act of rape is anti-woman, period. Just that it usually is.
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True, I would tend to fear that I'd be killed before I considered that I might be raped, then killed.
I disagree with The Pixiest categorizing rape as anti-woman, and with saying that boys throw the word rape around and think it's funny.
I don't see the point in making several offensive generalizations in an effort to make a point about being offensive.
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I go out of my way to never walk alone in the dark, period.
I'm guessing that the creators of these threads really have no idea what it's like to know that, as a woman, you have a one in six chance of becoming a victim of rape or attempted rape at some point in your life. Clearly, if I could only see it from their point of view, in which my only real risk would be in the unlikely chance I was put in jail, I would find the idea hilariously amusing.
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Exactly, MightyCow. Women generally have that additional worry on top of the ones men generally share as well.
I disagree with her categorizing it as anti-woman, and with saying that boys in general throw it around and think it's funny.
But we've dealt with that, haven't we? She's said that generally it's boys that do it, not that boys generally do it. That is a difference, and an important one.
I cannot recall the last time I ever heard a woman joke about rape, or gloat about raping something. Except a strip in www.questionablecontent.net , come to think of it. So I think you're arguing an issue that's already been dealt with.
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(As a point of order, Rakeesh, QC is written by a man. So you can't say that a female character in it joking about rape counts as a woman joking about rape. It's still a man joking about rape.)
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Ha! You're right. It's difficult to remember sometimes, what with all the estrogen up in that strip You're right, though. It was a man joking about a woman joking about rape to another woman.
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quote:Also "Kill" is kinda universal. Anyone can be killed. *usually* it is only women who are raped. Rape is a mysogynistic act.
I think a much more important distinction is that killing isn't necessarily a bad thing. In many situations, killing is a good thing. Antibiotics are good.
Rape, on the other hand, not so. Things have to get twisted into a bizarre Hart's Hope-like situation before there's even the possiblity that raping might not be completely evil.
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Sooo,*** I thought the whole point of *this* thread was to get *away* from the topic of rape...
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This thread has the word sex in it. I'm offended, I'm going to start posting a bunch of crap in here to try to derail it.
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I'm not going to be able to go see the Transformers Movie now, because the entire time I'll be considering the implications of language on life and the various ways people can become offended.
I just want Bumblebee not to look like a complete tool.
No offense to tools, or those who use them.
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mph: But Harts Hope (which I barely started before putting down. Sorry...) is written by a man. So once again it's a man making the case for rape. (or at least making a case that rape can sometimes be not enitrely evil.)
MC: Guys rape guys in prison because that's where the people most likely to rape are and there aren't any women to rape. If men and women were in the same prison, you can bet your last pack of illicit cigarettes that the man on man rape would plummet, but over all rape would skyrocket.
And Rakeesh was right. I did not mean that all boys joke about rape but that nearly all jokes about rape are made by boys.
My point about it being anti-woman (This was when my hubby asked me why I was posting about the Transformers and I hit post before clarifying what I meant.) is that the term and action of rape is one of those things that divides the sexes. To boys (not so much men) the word is funny. To women, it's horrifying. To men, rape isn't generally something they think about, much less fear. To women, it's a constant concern when out alone, especially at night. Anyway, Zeugma makes the point really well. Scroll up and read her post.
quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: This thread has the word sex in it. I'm offended, I'm going to start posting a bunch of crap in here to try to derail it.
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: You're a liar.
No, I'm serious. I don't think I'll be able to watch the movie without thinking about that stuff.
I wasn't talking to you. I tried to immediately delete my post, but HR is slow right now. Sorry for any confusion or offense to you.
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quote:mph: But Harts Hope (which I barely started before putting down. Sorry...) is written by a man. So once again it's a man making the case for rape.
That doesn't contractic anything I said.
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: I wasn't talking to you. I tried to immediately delete my post, but HR is slow right now. Sorry for any confusion or offense to you.
Oh, it's too late for that. The damage has been done! I'm off to make another derivative thread, this time mocking you but thinly disguised as a thread about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Movie Posts: 3950 | Registered: Mar 2006
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It's hysterical how you persist, PUNJABEE, in trying to cast people disagreeing with you as prudes and that prudish outrage is their only reason for doing so.
Frankly, it's such a stupid position I wonder if even you believe it. You haven't sold even a single other person on it.
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God, the Transformers' movie is ten months away and it's *already* destroying societies!
Think of the children! Think what will happen when this movie hits the big screen! Family values will be destroyed, children will attack their parents with sharp objects, throw cats from moving cars, and start using obscene language in their teens! We can't allow this to happen!
Join the "Ban the Transformers Movie Before Things Get Really Out Of Hand" movement NOW!!!
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quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: This thread has the word sex in it. I'm offended, I'm going to start posting a bunch of crap in here to try to derail it.
You are a liar.
And you cant read sarcasm.
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Are we on the "let's see how many threads I can get locked today" trend? 'cause I don't think you want the prize if you win...
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Does it count if I want him to get the prize?
Edit: Don't worry, it took you awhile to get going on the other one too. You've got plenty of time to get into your blustering, ignorant, rude way of expressing yourself here too!
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I kinda feel bad for PUNJ. From this point on, this will be what everybody thinks about whenever he post. That's going to be pretty hard to get past.
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Well, I suppose you're right. I won't continue (after this, anyway) ragging on you now that your incessant and rude whinings have been shut down on the other thread.
Enjoy your hard-won infamy, PUNJABEE. You sure stuck it to the trolls on this forum!
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