Topic: Is the Player Versus Player Enviroment in WoW as bad as my friend says it is?
Blayne Bradley
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MY friend Daniel says that while if he has to he'll play PvP, but says that we would probably be ganked 9999999999999999 to the power of 9999999999999999 times.
I asketh of those more experienced in World of Warcraft is the ganking of newbies that bad and how so?
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So I went to Wawa today and got a salad. It was pretty good. I wish that they put a larger variety of vegetables in the salad though.
Don't you people like salads with a lot of different types of veggies in them?
Also, does anyone know of any good blogging software?
As a follow up OMG LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Blayne Bradley
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I think I'll give you a few minutes to figure out why your post is idiotic, I would say retarded but then I would be insulting the intelligence of the mentally handicapped.
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Blayne: Depends on how you roll. If you twink out a new character at like say level 39, you can create a team that works together and simply stays in the 30-39 bracket. You can have alot of fun doing it, lots of people swear by it.
If you want to max out your abilities and make your PVPing that much more diverse hit 70 and play in the numerous battlegrounds or else create an arena team and compete competitively.
But yes, while you are leveling if you are on a PVP server you will occasionally, possibly even often get ganked by 70's who have nothing better to do. The more crowded a zone/server is the more ganking is likely.
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Blayne, You are what, 20 now? You need to stop acting like you are 12. You have some great opportunities that you are wasting by refusing to grow up and I'm afraid that you are going to turn into a pathetic, juvenile adult.
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Blayne Bradley
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Okay cuz my friend Daniel is complaining about how if we were to create new characters on a pvp server we'ld constantly get ganked, I was trrying to confirm with those more experianced then I in the ways of WoW wheher Daniel was exaggerating or if its just something okay it'll happen once in a while but that what makes the game exciting.
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Blayne, next time summarize, with carefully considered grammar, the IM conversation you had, rather than splatting it in a thread. Perhaps even mention your motivation for the thread topic, and where you currently lean, and why.
Think, post. You'll avoid a lot of the static you attract that way.
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Squicky my post is clearly though not a blog post, it is a post requesting information it is you being immature making snarky comments about how my post should be in a blog, you mr friend is the one being juvenile, should I never post just because one minor part of it miht somehow be connected to my personal life? Such a demand is stupid and frankly not against what this forum is about.
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Blayne Bradley
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quote: Okay is PvP in WoW really that bad?
I'm pretty sure the thread title is pretty clear what I am trying to ask.
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Blayne. Think, post. Check your grammar at least once before submitting. That includes punctuation and capitalization, as well as checking for proper spelling (here Firefox is your friend; it will underline misspelled words).
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But why should we answer you? Also, your thoughts on [EDIT See? everyone makes mistakes, but most of us try and correct them: were->where] where you stand currently can create a structure within which to answer.
For instance, if I answered the question simply, "Yes, it is that bad." Would that really help you?
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Blayne, Bok just gave you some very good advice. You'd do well to actually go back and edit your initial post to conform with it. That would take you out of LOOK AT ME!! blog posting to a less juvenile and more respectful attempt to start a conversation.
Also, sweet Jebus kid, do you really not see how your attempts at insults and responses make you sound like a very young teenager? You only have a little bit of time left where you can get away with the way you do things before it is really going to hurt you.
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Blayne Bradley
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I see.
Well I was trying to ask as BB answered is PvP as bad as my friend exaggerated, and how so or if it isn't that bad how can one expect it and to what degree is it annoying?
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Blayne, Could you explain the problems that your friend mentioned concerning PvP and why you think they are exaggerations? Perferably in real English sentences.
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Blayne Bradley
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Look Squicky the problem I have here is that you made no attempt at constructive criticism, Bokomon did an excellent job, but by you just walking in all snarky just leaves me going "wtf", confused and insulted, what did you expect?
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Yes, not perfect (are any of us?) but better.
How frequent would ganking have to be before it was unsuitable for you to stay and have fun on a PvP server. If faced with repeated ganking, would you join a guild for protection, would you take them as object lessons in how to play the PvP game, or would you just leave?
PvP ganking can be quite bad, but you can generally avoid the worst of it. A guild can be nice, as you can group up if necessary, or call in high level help, but doing that too often, unless you are good friends with guildies, will tend to annoy them and get you booted from the guild.
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Blayne, still a little too stream-of-consciousness in your last post. You should in the future make that into at least two, and as many as three, sentences. Some judiciously placed commas would be nice as well (though I am a profligate user of such punctuation, and am probably not one to advise you on that ).
-Bok
[EDIT: Oh, Irony! I modified my use of commas. I suppose I should follow my advise for you more closely myself!]
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Squick: Blayne's original post wasn't out of line *this* time. He didn't deserve your sarcastic retort.... This time.
Blayne: You're response to Squick was childish.
But to answer your original question... Yeah, there are goobers who will gank lvl 20ish people on PVP servers just to feel studly. Before lvl 20, you can level just fine in non-contested territory where you are safe until you flag.
So after level 20, try to find a secluded place to level. Instances are good and have good loot but you can't solo them.
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Pix, I think you may have only seen the edited version. The initial version was a leet speak chat transcript, with "Is it?" posted after it, which was, in my judgement, very much out of line.
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Blayne, it is also a good idea to not obliterate a mistake when fixing it, especially when trying to generate good will and trust from your audience. (I was responding to your reply, not the initial post, when I thought it was better. It is, by itself. Silently editing homonyms and punctuation, even the structure of whole sentences, is usually fine. But if you change the substance of your post, you should let people know you have done so or, preferably, leave the original as is, if it was replied to).
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A) This wasn't blog-type post, and it wasn't a call for attention. While Blayne has been guilty of that many times, I don't see it here.
B) Blayne, I think that you by yourself may very well may account for over 50% of the video-game posts on Hatrack, a forum with hundreds of active posters. You may want to think about what affect that might have.
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Blayne, It was bloggish because it was a self-centered plea for attention, not a respectful attempt to communicate with people. Posting a leet speak chat transcript is fine for your blog. It is not fine here.
Do you understand why? ---
Porter, Could you clarify which version you are talking about?
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Sorry Squick, I didn't realize the pre-edited version was that bad. I didn't get a chance to see it before it was altered.
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The original was essentially a cut and paste of an IM/IRC conversation, followed by an "Is it?" or "So is it?". The transcript itself took up quite a bit of the post.
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The transcript basically was the post. Having said that, this:
quote:Well I was trying to ask as BB answered is PvP as bad as my friend exaggerated, and how so or if it isn't that bad how can one expect it and to what degree is it annoying?
Is that better?
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- Blayne didn't bother to craft a post much beyond using his cut-and-paste function, and said post was rife with leetspeak and the like.
- Squick took umbrage with this and felt he was justified in attacking Blayne and mocking him, rather than offering anything constructive.
- Blayne then posted a petulant and insulting response to Squick's baiting.
- By rough estimate, there have been 4 responses to Blayne's question, 30 responses prompted by the way it was posted, and multiple rephrasings of the question.
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Blayne - It seems to me that had the original post been phrased the way it is now, this thread would have been received far better.
Squick - It also seems to me that if you'd been constructive (as Bok's post was) instead of trying to instigate and mock, this thread would have had far less drama.
Then again, maybe you both enjoy drama and invective, rather than rational discussion.
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Or perhaps I have a goal here that I consider more important than talking about PvP in WoW and is of a wider scope than this thread. I think that may readily present itself if you read my posts with that in mind.
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Then why enter a thread that is titled "Is the Player Versus Player Environment in WoW as bad as my friend says it is?"
You either:
a) came into the thread out of an intest in PvP in WoW, b) came into the thread because it was started by Blayne, or c) came into the thread because you read every new thread on hatrack.
If the first, you've abandoned that interest. If the second, your intentions are questionable. If the last, there was still no need for you to respond the way you did.
Upon seeing Blayne's first post, you could have:
a) ignored it and not posted, c) posted constructively, or d) posted destructively.
You chose to post destructively. And now, you claim the role of the victim and seem to be grasping at the same attention you accused Blayne of seeking.
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Then why enter a thread that is titled "Is the Player Versus Player Environment in WoW as bad as my friend says it is?"
You either:
a) came into the thread out of an intest in PvP in WoW, b) came into the thread because it was started by Blayne, or c) came into the thread because you read every new thread on hatrack.
If the first, you've abandoned that interest. If the second, your intentions are questionable. If the last, there was still no need for you to respond the way you did.
Upon seeing Blayne's first post, you could have:
a) ignored it and not posted, c) posted constructively, or d) posted destructively.
You chose to post destructively. And now, you claim the role of the victim and seem to be grasping at the same attention you accused Blayne of seeking.
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I play on a PvP server, and I don't find it that bad. There will always be jerks. I'm pretty polite and I don't freak out when I see an ally -- I don't dash away or otherwise act alarmed, and for hte most part I get left alone. I have characters of all levels, and that's my experience.
Now, for some reason, Friday and Saturday nights tend to be worse. Also, certain areas are worse than others. Tarren Mill, for example :-).
If you're in an okay guild, sometimes your fellow guild members will come help you out if you're being camped.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't ever consider a non-PvP server, and it's not because I enjoy the PvP side so much -- but it does add SOMETHING. Adrenaline, etc.
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quote:You chose to post destructively. And now, you claim the role of the victim and seem to be grasping at the same attention you accused Blayne of seeking.
You seem to be making some pretty big assumptions there.
Maybe you should try reading the thread with the assumption that I actually mean the things I say. It does not appear to me you understand what my intentions are here.
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quote:It does not appear to me you understand what my intentions are here.
I don't judge anything you've said in this thread as conducive to an atmosphere of respect or intelligence.
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I think PVP servers are great. Like Sharpie said, it does have an element of more adrenaline. And if you're worried about being ganked all the time, don't be. The beauty of the PVP server is that other people can kill the 'ganker'. Just talk on the Local Defense Channel, say you're being killed and could use some assistance, and a flood of high level characters will come to your aid. Then you get the pleasure of watching your attacker run away screaming. I'd recommend going for the PVP server.
In regards to the whole... quality of posts... bit. While I don't think that posting an instant messaging transcript warrants a new topic, I don't think that such a topic warrants harsh attacks and criticism either. Now, I can't find the terms of service, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a rule about the quality of a topic, only content. And I doubt Blayne's topic had inappropriate material. But I am pretty sure there's stuff about attacking a fellow member of the forum. May I just suggest that MrSquicky sit in a corner to think about his sarcastic post and why it wasn't justified, and also have Blayne sit in a corner to think about not attacking him for the sarcastic post?
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Your first post was an attack. You ignored the content of Blayne's post, posted random comments in mock imitation, then ended with a mocking plea for attention.
In your second post you continued the attack, calling Blayne pathetic and saying he was acting like a 12 year old.
I see nothing constructive in those first two posts, and you obviously didn't ignore the thread and move on. You chose to be destructive.
In your third post, a half an hour later, you finally offer something constructive - after Bokonon had already addressed the problem in a calmer, more mature way - but then revert to calling Blayne a "spoiled, self-centered little kid" only two posts later.
Then, after Scott says your first post was out of line, you start looking for him to apologize to you (playing the victim - "I was wronged, so you must apologize") and then tell him he has no class (picking a fight with a second poster within a single thread, making the thread about you instead of Blayne or his question).
As for not understanding what your intentions are, I am at the mercy of your words to direct me. Try reading your words from the perspective of someone who doesn't know what you're actually thinking - you come off as very harsh.
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Um. It wouldn't take long to create a new toon on a PvP server and see what happens. Just sayin.
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Blayne Bradley
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I generally don't like spamming characters my experience in everquest taught me that creating dozens of characters and only having 2 break out of the newbie level bracket I avoid making new characters. However if some friends go to make new characters I won't mind making a new one to level up at the same pace as they do.
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I'd recommend going for the PVP server.
