quote:In a rambling manifesto on Lee's website, believed to have been written by Lee, the writer rails against "disgusting human babies," "parasitic infants," and says people should "disassemble civilization." The manifesto also calls on Discovery to "broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet."
He's one of those human extinctionist, militant childfree, malthusian dudes. Also obviously completely insane and has been for years.
here's a cache of his demands
quote:The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)
6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!
7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!
8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!
9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.
10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!
11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.
Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.
For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!
It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It's like a couple are having 30 babies even though it's just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!
Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!
The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.
Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.
The humans? The planet does not need humans.
You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!
I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.
These are the demands and sayings of Lee.
of course, the squirrels.
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I am going to start signing all my communication "These are the demands and sayings of Liza." Wouldn't it be better with more capitalization, though? "These are the Demands and Sayings of Liza." "These are the DEMANDS and SAYINGS of Liza." "THESE Are The DEMANDS And SAYINGS Of Liza." Now we're talkin'.
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He wants to get rid of human civilization? And he also wants to use modern technology to spread that message? Hmm....
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Also...Stop all war but reduce the human population?
Wouldn't war be the quickest way to accomplish that goal?
At first I was like "This guy is a liberal gone crazy." This was then followed by the thought "Nevermind, he is against Anchor Babies, must be a neo-con gone crazy." This was followed by yet another thought, "Maybe he is just crazy."
I think I've settled on that one.
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quote:Originally posted by ElJay: I am going to start signing all my communication "These are the demands and sayings of Liza." Wouldn't it be better with more capitalization, though? "These are the Demands and Sayings of Liza." "These are the DEMANDS and SAYINGS of Liza." "THESE Are The DEMANDS And SAYINGS Of Liza." Now we're talkin'.
quote:Originally posted by ElJay: I am going to start signing all my communication "These are the demands and sayings of Liza." Wouldn't it be better with more capitalization, though? "These are the Demands and Sayings of Liza." "These are the DEMANDS and SAYINGS of Liza." "THESE Are The DEMANDS And SAYINGS Of Liza." Now we're talkin'.
I would definitely capitalize "LIZA".
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I obviously missed the ongoing discussion and created a different post on the same subject. Apologies. Here's what I posted there, without reading what was here:
It wont be long and a nut job on the right will kill in the name of a conservative pillar and there will be congressional hearings against the Tea Party, Talk Radio, NRA, etc.
Conservatives dodged the bullet this time. This time it was a left-wing nut job, killing in the name of one of their pillars. It'll drop off the radar within a week....not newsworthy.....certainly not demanding congressional attention.
Right wing nutjobs would bring automatic gun control legislation. Any wagers on this one? Brought to you by the people who created "hate crime punishments"......depends on who did it.
Of course, this guy is crazy and the left isn't to blame for his actions.....will the left accord the same understanding to anyone else, other than a Muslim gunning down deploying troops?
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Timothy McVeigh killed how many people? How many children? How many of us will always remember the picture of the firefighter with the kid from the daycare he blew up? This guy killed- wait, he didn't kill anyone. Only casualty was him and he didn't kill himself- cops got him. So, yeah, this one I expect to get forgotten pretty quick- though the comedic element does give it a bit more staying power.
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Timothy McVeigh killed 168. The 911 terrorists killed 2,792.
This administration considered the Ft Hood shooter a "nut job" for killing 13 people and wounding 30 others....he was yelling "allahu akbar" while pulling the trigger.
If a right wing nut kills 10......the congressional hearings will commence. There's no pattern other than a party that created "hate crimes" and a president that has empathy for our enemies.
Not one "hate crime" prosecution for "beat up a white kid day"
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You're absolutely right, malanthrop. McVeigh received disproportionate attention v. 9-11.
No, wait, that's an idiotic statement that fails the laugh test of anyone who has watched headline news in the past ten years, and is a transparent bit of partisan hackery on your part.
By the way, still waiting to hear about purely capitalist America. At this point your refusal to address this point, a point on which you were so smug and sure so frequently, marks you a coward and a liar.
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If you want to revisit the capitalist argument, I'll go back to that post. As I said there, and admitted my mistake for using an absolute term against a high school debater. By using the term "purely"...I gave you the opening you are continuing to pursue.
There is no "pure capitalism"....even in free markets, selling your child for sex could be illegal. America was in it's most "pure" capitalistic form the day of the signing of the constitution. The purest form of capitalism the world has ever seen.
I wonder, why did we have a revolution, when local congressional districts have multi-generational nepotistic representatives. They bring home the bacon and sell their votes to the highest bidder.
Our founders started with a clean slate. Our first president had the common honor not to run again...he didn't want power.....he was a true servant of the people "by the people". Our founders failed to give us term limits....good luck getting that bill passed by a Madigan, Kennedy or Bush.
America started as a nation of the "purest" form of capitalism known to man. That's what made this young nation excel and exceed the rest of the world. Every political generation has sold/eroded that to the point that we have businesses that are "too big to fail" and pension funds that get "bailed out". Oh yes, we are far from pure capitalism. Read Atlas Shrugged.
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It wont be long and a nut job on the right will kill in the name of a conservative pillar and there will be congressional hearings against the Tea Party, Talk Radio, NRA, etc.
I don't recall that happening two years ago. I don't think there was even any federal gun control legislation introduced as a result.
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No, not the man who crashed into the IRS building. I agree that he was not clearly right or left wing. I'm talking about the guy who specifically said he wanted to kill liberals.
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quote:If you want to revisit the capitalist argument, I'll go back to that post. As I said there, and admitted my mistake for using an absolute term against a high school debater. By using the term "purely"...I gave you the opening you are continuing to pursue.
See? You still can't man up. You weren't flat-out wrong, you just used a bit of mistaken piece of rhetoric. When you said that, your meaning was very clear. You didn't mean 'purest it had ever gotten', you said and meant pure, and then when you got called on it, shut up for about a week on the subject, pretending it had never happened.
You're a hack, and transparently full of manure, and so far as I can see, even folks around here on your side of politics don't want anything to do with you. You even lack the strength of your own convictions, which is unsurprising.
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quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: No, not the man who crashed into the IRS building. I agree that he was not clearly right or left wing. I'm talking about the guy who specifically said he wanted to kill liberals.
Obviously, I don't recall.....did he actually kill anyone? Enlighten me.
I can share a few with you,....if you'd like.
My point is that it doesn't matter. Murder is murder, crazies are crazies. I prefer a legal system concerned with the victim, not the intention, race or nationality of the offender.
Law is law. Murdering a black or white shouldn't be any different. Voter intimidation should be prosecuted the same, despite the race of the intimidator. How do we have federal immigration laws that tolerate sanctuary cities and a federal government that sues states that want to enforce federal law? Would the federal government tolerate pedophile cities? Politics.....we aren't a nation of laws, we're a nation of politics.
Some laws are ignored and others enforced more stringently based upon the offender's race, intention and nationality. Law should be about the "offense" and care about the victim.
Try being an American who get's caught using someone else's social security number - illegal alien....ok.
quote:Originally posted by malanthrop: Law is law. Murdering a black or white shouldn't be any different. Voter intimidation should be prosecuted the same, despite the race of the intimidator. How do we have federal immigration laws that tolerate sanctuary cities and a federal government that sues states that want to enforce federal law? Would the federal government tolerate pedophile cities? Politics.....we aren't a nation of laws, we're a nation of politics.
Some laws are ignored and others enforced more stringently based upon the offender's race, intention and nationality. Law should be about the "offense" and care about the victim.
Try being an American who get's caught using someone else's social security number - illegal alien....ok.
I only vaguely remembered that there had been a fatal shooting at a church by someone who said he hated liberals. I definitely didn't remember the guy's name just two years later. If this incident didn't stick out in everyone's mind just two years later, perhaps the media is not obsessing over right-wing violence as much as you think? Keep in mind that this is not just a shooting by someone who happens to be a conservative. His manifesto says
“Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate, and House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the Mainstream Media.”
“Liberals are a pest like termites. Millions of them...the only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is kill them in the streets, kill them where they gather. I'd like to encourage other like minded people to do what I've done...go kill liberals!”
I don't recall extreme outrage or gun control legislation. I don't think there were congressional hearings against Goldberg, or the conservative authors whose books were found in the shooter's home. Judging from the Google news timeline of articles, this actually did pretty much drop off the radar within two weeks. I guess it wasn't newsworthy enough, and didn't demand Congress's attention.
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quote:Originally posted by malanthrop: What happened two years ago? Are you referring to the plane crash guy? His manifesto was so crazy, it criss-crossed left to right.
Of course, he hated taxes. I doubt that's purely right wing.
College shooters are different....enlighten me.
And you think this current nutcase's manifesto is less crazy? The guy who crashed his plane into the IRS didn't just hate taxes, he hated big government. If the "liberal" media and congress were as biased as you are claiming, there was more than enough in his manifesto to warrant congressional hearings and a crack down on Tea Party activists. But just the opposite happened. Within hours after the crash it was announced that it was "not a Terrorist attack" and that the man was a isolated individual not connected with any group or movement. They made those announcements before there was even time to make a thorough investigation.
And BTW, hating taxes is purely right wing. No one likes to pay taxes, but the left wing sees them as a necessary part of living in a healthy community. There is a left wing tax evasion movement but it is not based on hating taxes, its motivated by a desire to avoid paying for immoral wars. The primary means recommended by these groups for avoiding taxes is to live in voluntary poverty.
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Without knowing anything else about this guy, I'm going to state that the most likely psychiatric illness is bipolar type I: acute manic episode. There are some other things on the list, but that seems most likely from skimming over his demands.
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quote:Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.
If I ever decide to make myself a martyr for a cause, my manifesto will not be this ridiculous.
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Whereas I can only hope mine would be. For the sake of the froggies -- and, of course, the squirrels.
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quote:Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.
If I ever decide to make myself a martyr for a cause, my manifesto will not be this ridiculous.
--j_k
That is quitter talk. Tell me where you live and I'll coach you with a regimen of LSD, Carl Sagan recordings and original Smurf episodes.
I know you can out crazy this guy.
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I'm having trouble deciding which is funnier: the use of "froggies" or the "of course" in reference to the squirrels.
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I am having trouble finding anything funny about the fact that this man who should have been treated for mental illness instead put other people in danger and ended up dead. "Froggies" or not, this was just scary and sad.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one finding this hilarity around what I see as a very sad situation as very tasteless.
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I think Kmbboots brings up a good point. I think often times people with mental issues and illnesses are overlooked. Often they are not diagnosed properly and it isn't until they do something horrible that they receive the attention they should have received in the first place.
I had a co-worker at CompUSA that quit because he said things were getting too stressful for him. I've been there, so I understood. It turns out it was more than just that. A couple of years ago he walked into a hospital and told them that they had to hold him there. He said he was mentally ill and didn't know what was wrong with him, and he was afraid he was going to hurt someone.
The hospital did a physical and sent him home, telling him everything was fine. Two days later he murdered his girlfriend then committed suicide.
If someone at the hospital had listened to him or noticed that something was mentally wrong with him, this may not have happened. I know this guy at the Discovery Channel building was crazy, but reading about what he has done in the past indicates to me that he had been acting strangely for quote a while. Had someone paid attention to this and given him the attention he needed, the whole situation may have been avoided.
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quote:Originally posted by malanthrop: Our founders started with a clean slate. Our first president had the common honor not to run again...he didn't want power.....he was a true servant of the people "by the people". Our founders failed to give us term limits....good luck getting that bill passed by a Madigan, Kennedy or Bush.
So aside from ignoring fugu's post in the other thread showing areas in which the US was MUCH less capitalistic (hint: tariffs) going back to the founder's times, I have to just say, if you really believe in the "clean slate", how you finesse the 3/5ths clause, the 3rd amendment, the 9th and 10th amendment, or creating a bicameral legislative body?
Or the Articles of Confederation.
At best you could say parts of 18th century America were more capitalistic, but certainly not in any general sense. And there was a heck of a lot of baggage the founders had to deal with when negotiating the Constitution.
quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: I am having trouble finding anything funny about the fact that this man who should have been treated for mental illness instead put other people in danger and ended up dead. "Froggies" or not, this was just scary and sad.
How certain are we that he had a mental illness? Sure he was troubled, and had a strange past with the law and with other people (see the link below), but was he mentally ill? Or just extreme?
quote:For at least two years Lee called for protests against the company and was arrested and found guilty of disorderly conduct for a protest outside of Discovery's Maryland headquarters in 2008. Due to these past actions, security at the Discovery Channel offices knew who Lee was and "immediately identified" him during this incident, Manger said.
He was capable, able to protest, and generally coherent. But he certainly had bizarre ideas and demands. The Discovery Channel was never sure if he was serious or not because of the strangeness of his demands. He just went too far down a path. Is that a mental illness?
As for the humor, on the full scale of violence and terror in the news, this one is exceptionally absurd. Thankfully, he didn't hurt anyone else. Then it would be far less humorous. But because he didn't hurt anyone, and he did leave a bizarre message behind, the absurdity bubbles to the top. It'd be difficult to create a more bizarre list of demands.
Yes, it's unfortunate that he died and didn't get help that he might have needed. But it still qualifies as a bizarre and exceptionally absurd event.
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quote:It'd be difficult to create a more bizarre list of demands.
That's kind of the point for me. This guy was, to me, obviously in a lot of pain and extremely mentally unbalanced. My personal, shoot from the hip, read here is that he was out to commit suicide.
When I read or hear people making fun of him for being in a lot of pain and mentally unbalanced, it feels very similar to people laughing at a physically handicapped person falling down or say a developmentally disabled person for saying something that we consider stupid.
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So wait... He's advocating the extinction of the human race ("...encouraging human sterilization and infertility...", "...ways to disassemble civilization...", "...human population goes down...", "...The planet does not need humans..." etc...), and people are wondering about his mental state?
Am I missing something here?
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Those are positions that are held by some radical environmentalists. They are fringe ideas, sure, but not necessarily signs of insanity.
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He was also arrested for helping bring in illegal immigrants, and his weapons were starter pistols that fired blanks
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