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monstewer
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“Excuse me.”
Rourke stopped dead in shock. The mark had spoken to him. His carelessness stunned him as he stared at the man.
“Are you all right? You don’t look well.”
Rourke was making things worse he knew. He shook his head and ran a hand over his face. “No…no, I’m fine, really.” The words sounded strange as he uttered them. How long had it been since he had spoken to an actual person? Two weeks? Maybe even three.
The mark didn’t look convinced as he studied Rourke, his head tilted to one side. The swollen red sun was just beginning to warm the plaza and there was a faint sheen of sweat on the bridge of his nose. “Well, I was just heading over to Sandy’s
for a drink." He nodded towards the bar which Rourke had


This is my first attempt at sci-fi, if anybody would be good enough to read the whole thing it's about 4300. Thanks


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A few quick thoughts from lil' ol' me.

1. Opening with "Excuse me" isn't super effective. Did someone just fart? Did someone step on another person's toes? Are two people trying to pass in a crowded hallway? There might be a better way to introduce Rourke & his Mark to the reader than this, while still getting the same effect. Maybe have Rourke wonder why his mark was approaching him from across the street before they start talking.

2. Why aren't you naming the Mark? Rourke knows his name. Why don't we? Give him a name and then work in the information about who is following who.

3. Why is the sun swollen? Are there times where the sun is not swollen? Did it stub it's toe, or (Heaven forfend) catch the mumps?

This is tentatively interesting to me. If you could clean up the items above, I think it would be much improved, and were I an editor, I'd be much more willing to continue reading. Alas, I'm already two crits behind, and I shall have to excuse myself from the full piece this time around.

Jayson Merryfield


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Pardon me. I've rearranged and deleted some text. This leaves almost four lines with which you could give some clues about what sort victim the mark is to be (he drops his cards, his gun or his pants, for example) or some other juicy bits to get the reader (editor, really) to the next page. Good luck.

“Are you all right? You don’t look well.”
Rourke stopped dead in shock at his carelessness. The mark had spoken to him.
“No…no, I’m fine, really.” The words sounded strange as he uttered them. How long had it been since he had spoken to an actual person? Two weeks? Maybe even three.
The mark didn’t look convinced as he studied Rourke. The swollen red sun was just beginning to warm the plaza and there was a faint sheen of sweat on the bridge of his nose. “Well, I was just heading over to Sandy’s for a drink." He nodded towards the bar which Rourke had


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I'd be happy to read it, monstrewer! send it on over, if you like.
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mildly interesting, not having spoken to an actual person in weeks...but with a short story, is there more, or something more pressing, that could lead us into the story? You know how it goes here in F&F - show us the action!

Typically mark = potential victim of a crime. Seeing one of the characters noted as that but then no crime obviously followed...confused me.

And then one nit - Rourke stopped dead in shock...well, the one thing you have to watch out for with a speculative fiction audience is that we take you literally. Readers will assume that Rourke dropped over dead. (OK, not all, not even most, but you have to be careful with the use of metaphor w/spec fiction more so than with other genres.)

Good luck with this!


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I had a conversation with a guy once who told me that he quit reading LOTR when Pippin died. When I contradicted this, he showed me a passage in the book, at the end of the siege of Minas Tirith (I know I'm spelling that wrong) that is following Pippin's story, and he smites the Nazgul and everything goes dark around him. Guy was absolutely convinced that Pippin had died. So, in terms of some readers being very concrete - yeah, they are.

In terms of your story, I like it. I had one question, though. It sounded like the mark was saying he was going to the bar that Rourke had just come out of. How could Rourke have gone to the bar and ordered drinks if he hadn't spoken to anyone in weeks?


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Thanks for the responses everybody, totally what I expected

The trouble I had here was that I couldn't see any other beginning apart from these two meeting but then I wanted that first meeting to be a little understated which doesn't lend itself well to setting up a hook

Jayson - I called him The Mark to try and get some kind of hook in there, weak as it is, and that's the way Rourke tries to see them, rather than as real people.

Deb - Rourke has been watching The Mark go to that bar the past few days rather than going in himself

Any other advice about how to start a short story with an understated scene while still injecting some pace and hookiness would be appreciated.


[This message has been edited by monstewer (edited August 24, 2007).]


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Rick Norwood
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First, a couple of comments on comments. Wolfie, the sun is (or appears) swolen at dawn and dusk. KateTi, a "mark" is the target of a con rather than any other kind of crime.

Now, to the first 13. I'm interested enough to read more. I would omit the words I've enclosed in brackets below -- always omit unnecessary words, make every word count.

Since a swolen sun suggests dawn, how can Rourke see a rising sun in the middle of a town?

Finally, there are several places where you have pronoun trouble -- I don't know whether "he" or "his" refers to Rourke or the mark.

“Excuse me.”
Rourke stopped dead in shock. The mark had spoken to him. His carelessness stunned him [as he stared at the man].
“Are you all right? You don’t look well.”
Rourke was making things worse he knew. He shook his head and ran a hand over his face. “No…no, I’m fine, really.” The words sounded strange as he uttered them. How long had it been since he had spoken to an actual person? Two weeks? Maybe [even] three.
The mark didn’t look convinced as he studied Rourke, his head tilted to one side. The swollen red sun was just beginning to warm the plaza [and] there was a faint sheen of sweat on the bridge of his nose. “Well, I was just heading over to Sandy’s
for a drink." He nodded towards the bar which Rourke had


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Just a quick reply on a single issue. By not capitalising the M in mark to indicate that it was a title of sorts, my mind went all sorts of directions. Was it a mark on the wall? Was it a book mark? When it was none of these, I was a little, well, disappointed, although a little relieved that it wasn't a punctuation mark talking and therefore a story about a mad writer. The key was, I am unfamiliar with the term mark for a person, and therefore did not know how to interpret the discussion. There would be many readers in the same boat as mine.
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InarticulateBabbler
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My take:

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"Excuse me.”
Rourke stopped [Stopped what?] dead in shock. The mark [no problem with this. This -- to me -- is the hook. the mark (target) speaking to the killer/thief. It also creates tension from the killer/thief's PoV.] had spoken to him. His carelessness stunned him as he stared at the man.
“Are you all right? You don’t look well.”[This is the perfect follow-up line to an inexplicable "exceuse me", because it gives it a reason. I don't think this needs a tag -- other than: said the mark, or something -- because the hitman/theif thinks of the person as "the mark".]
Rourke was making things worse he knew. He shook his head and ran a hand over his face. “No…no, I’m fine, really.” The words sounded strange as he uttered them. How long had it been since he had spoken to an actual person? Two weeks? Maybe even three. [Why? I want to know shortly.]
The mark didn’t look convinced as he studied Rourke, his head tilted to one side. [The swollen red sun was just beginning to warm the plaza and there was a faint sheen of sweat on the bridge of his nose.<--This whole sentence made me drift off. It disrupts the flow and doesn't tell if it's sunset/sunrise/alien sun. I'd say just tell me if it's sunset/sunrise.] “Well, I was just heading over to Sandy’s
for a drink." He nodded towards the bar which Rourke had [I don't know what the rest of the sentence is going to say, so I'm not going to make assumptions.]

1) Nice pace and voice. Aside from that one, clunky sentence, I'm sold enough to read on.

2) I like the direction. I like the "mark" being identified as such. It tells me a lot about the story from the beginning.


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This has a strange start - strangers meeting and one of them hasn't spoken to anyone in weeks - but not a scifi point anywhere in the first 13. That misses one chance to sink a hook.

"The mark didn’t look convinced as he studied Rourke, Pronouns from here on have antecedent/POV issues. Whose head tilted? Whose nose had sweat on the bridge? his head tilted to one side. The swollen red sun was just beginning to warm the plaza and there was a faint sheen of sweat on the bridge of his nose." I think this sentence is trying to set the scene early on a sunny morning, but it interrupts the dialog and interaction between the characters.

I'm concerned about believing the last bit of dialog. It seems too friendly for conversation between strangers on the street. That may be your point, though - the mark is opening himself for the scam.

I mentioned sci-fi above. A character's strange abilities or a conflict would be other hooks. Referring to the second character as the mark implies a scam, which could become a conflict, but to me the implication is slight. I think the overall first 13 could hook better.


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still looking for readers? I'd be happy to!
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I'm always looking for readers! Though my mail keeps getting flung back in my face when I try to send you it. Bah, I'll try again later
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Deb - Got your email but my reply was bounced again, not telling me why either, it's a strange one
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I'd be happy to read this.
Jon.

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I'm sold. I'll give it a read. I can't guarantee turn-around time, but it's I'll give it a close read.
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